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After 70 some pages, I think we can conclude that Gamergate, and anyone actively participating in it, are insane and they've all shown how terrible humanity is. Let's just all nuke ourselves and be done with this dumb species.
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Broniki posted:A movement born in opposition to the establishment kind of can't be reactionary by definition. Please don't fall into the delusion that GG is anti-establishment. They're all about gaining the favour of the establishment (the video game industry). This also applies to the liberal anti-GG crowd. e: Popular Thug Drink posted:what is a neopuritan anyway? you never answered that It means "SJW".
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Jun 27, 2015 22:05
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Unfunny Poster posted:After 70 some pages, I think we can conclude that Gamergate, and anyone actively participating in it, are insane and they've all shown how terrible humanity is. Fallout was a prophecy.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:06
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So if GamerGate is so left wing, how come the only sites that give them the time of day are either right wing heaps like Breitbart and lewrockwell.com, or MRA poo poo stains like A Voice for Men?
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Jun 27, 2015 22:06
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:That was supposedly made by the anti crowd as their bizarro feminist avatar. Yeah and the person using the account was six pounds of crazy in a three pound bag. Not to mention, y'know, the sticky wicket of taking a character, aryanizing them and having that be your progressive feminist icon. BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:This thread was way better when the crazy people screaming over each other in an attempt to score internet points were the ones on twitter, instead of being in here. Seriously, can we like, just go back to posting twitters of the dumb idiots and laughing at them? I really enjoyed that. This is harshing my buzz. 
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Jun 27, 2015 22:06
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i wasn't aware fringe indie games or the sites which like to criticize games from a leftist perspective are 'the establishment' The AAA studios don't give a poo poo about any of this, because they know the vast majority of the people who buy their products are normies who haven't even heard of GamerGate and don't give a poo poo about internet social justice either. This is the bottom rung of the game industry getting into a fight with the people that are one rung above them, while the people who actually run the place keep going on their merry way and occasionally stop and laugh at the show.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:06
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Neurolimal posted:Is feminist thought, inclusiveness, and the application of social moors to videogames already established facets of games journalism and videogames, or is it a looming threat to our videogames that we must lash out against? Fixating on identity politics, cliques and basically anything except video games is the status quo yes, and desperately clinging to that while the disenfranchised consumer tells you they've had enough is what puts you firmly in the "reactionary" camp.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:07
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7c Nickel posted:So if GamerGate is so left wing, how come the only sites that give them the time of day are either right wing heaps like Breitbart and lewrockwell.com, or MRA poo poo stains like A Voice for Men? Because left wing outlets were what they were lashing out against.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:07
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Popular Thug Drink posted:what is a neopuritan anyway? you never answered that Someone who wants to purify video games of anything objectionable, note however that this doesn't apply to the idiots who object to feminism/politics in games Really it's just a dude railing on those goddamn social justice warriors
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Jun 27, 2015 22:08
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Totalizator posted:I did. Multiple times. you didn't, actually. you claimed that neopuritans want to censor video games but that doesnt make much sense
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Jun 27, 2015 22:08
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7c Nickel posted:So if GamerGate is so left wing, how come the only sites that give them the time of day are either right wing heaps like Breitbart and lewrockwell.com, or MRA poo poo stains like A Voice for Men? They're Libertarian
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Jun 27, 2015 22:08
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7c Nickel posted:So if GamerGate is so left wing, how come the only sites that give them the time of day are either right wing heaps like Breitbart and lewrockwell.com, or MRA poo poo stains like A Voice for Men? I dunno, is Escapist a right wing site now? 
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Jun 27, 2015 22:08
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7c Nickel posted:So if GamerGate is so left wing, how come the only sites that give them the time of day are either right wing heaps like Breitbart and lewrockwell.com, or MRA poo poo stains like A Voice for Men? Major news sites being what they are, when articles about women getting death threats first surfaced they ran with it and got most others to join in. Right wing sites saw an opportunity to increase their readership and leapt to the "rescue." Breitbart has been laughing to the bank ever since.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:08
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Popular Thug Drink posted:you didn't, actually. you claimed that neopuritans want to censor video games but that doesnt make much sense I posted the literal dictionary definition of a puritan which these people fit into to the letter. What makes them new is that their obsession about morality comes from the extreme left rather then right wing.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:10
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Broniki posted:Fixating on identity politics, cliques and basically anything except video games is the status quo yes, and desperately clinging to that while the disenfranchised consumer tells you they've had enough is what puts you firmly in the "reactionary" camp. i'm having trouble parsing this. talking about everything around video games but not video games itself is the establishment gaming journalism, and that becomes reactionary because they're ignoring real games? is that right? Totalizator posted:I posted the literal dictionary definition of a puritan which these people fit into to the letter. What makes them new is that their obsession about morality comes from the extreme left rather then right wing. that definition applies equally well to the gamergaters themselves, which makes it a pretty useless label. you never clarified that point when asked
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Jun 27, 2015 22:10
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Totalizator posted:I posted the literal dictionary definition of a puritan which these people fit into to the letter. What makes them new is that their obsession about morality comes from the extreme left rather then right wing. On the other hand, gators wanting to remove those pesky politics that are ruining games
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Jun 27, 2015 22:11
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Totalizator posted:I did. Multiple times. Totalizator posted:I'm using the other definition (from merriam-webster) "one who practices or preaches a more rigorous or professedly purer moral code than that which prevails" Holy poo poo, this is some horse poo poo. It sounds like another word for SJW which basically means "politically correct"
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Jun 27, 2015 22:11
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Broniki posted:Fixating on identity politics, cliques and basically anything except video games is the status quo yes, and desperately clinging to that while the disenfranchised consumer tells you they've had enough is what puts you firmly in the "reactionary" camp. This perfectly describes GGers too. Your mistake lies in assuming that GGers are disenfranchised consumers. That would imply that they're disenfranchised and striking out against producers.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:12
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blackguy32 posted:Holy poo poo, this is some horse poo poo. It sounds like another word for SJW which basically means "politically correct" that's what i think, neopuritan is just another empty pejorative that you use to label people you don't like with attributes you think are bad it's easy to puff up a bad argument with jargon and other nonsense terms
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Jun 27, 2015 22:12
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blackguy32 posted:Holy poo poo, this is some horse poo poo. It sounds like another word for SJW which basically means "politically correct" Especially given that it's not applied at all to the guys who want to keep opposing ideologies out of games
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Jun 27, 2015 22:12
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blackguy32 posted:Holy poo poo, this is some horse poo poo. It sounds like another word for SJW which basically means "politically correct" It is exactly that except SJW is a loaded and inaccurate term so I'm using this one instead. SJW don't fight for nor care about social justice. They just want to feel superior for their strict adherence to identity politics coupled with bizarre prudishness and shame people all around them that don't.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:13
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Literally The Worst posted:On the other hand, gators wanting to remove those pesky politics that are ruining games The lesson here should be that there's room for everybody's stupid political nuances to come to the table and then be brutally and swiftly cast aside by the free market because, surprise, most people who play video games want A) A fun game and/or B) A good story, not a political lecture. But that just leads to people saying art games should be subsidized by the government, which, 
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Jun 27, 2015 22:13
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:This thread was way better when the crazy people screaming over each other in an attempt to score internet points were the ones on twitter, instead of being in here. My only horse in this race was making fun of people taking twitter drama seriously and bullshitting about video games and lawns, and now the dream is over. 
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Jun 27, 2015 22:13
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Literally The Worst posted:Especially given that it's not applied at all to the guys who want to keep opposing ideologies out of games Nobody wants to keep opposing ideologies out of games. People don't want ideologies injected INTO games to appease "critics" who don't buy and hate games and gamers.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:14
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Totalizator posted:It is exactly that except SJW is a loaded and inaccurate term so I'm using this one instead. SJW don't fight for nor care about social justice. They just want to feel superior for their strict adherence to identity politics coupled with bizarre prudishness and shame people all around them that don't. this is a lot of accusations to be throwing at people who engage in social criticism you disagree with about a hobby you strongly identify with. maybe they're not as maniacal as you claim?
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Jun 27, 2015 22:14
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Broniki posted:Fixating on identity politics, cliques and basically anything except video games is the status quo yes, and desperately clinging to that while the disenfranchised consumer tells you they've had enough is what puts you firmly in the "reactionary" camp. No, it's not. Anita Sarkeesian wouldn't have gotten nearly the amount of backlash that she got if that was the status quo. In fact, what we are seeing is a group of people reacting harshly to the fact that more and more women are getting into gaming and have the nerve to ask for better representation in games.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:14
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Popular Thug Drink posted:this is a lot of accusations to be throwing at people who engage in social criticism you disagree with about a hobby you strongly identify with. maybe they're not as maniacal as you claim? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfiyq_W9RC8
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Jun 27, 2015 22:15
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Totalizator posted:Nobody wants to keep opposing ideologies out of games. People don't want ideologies injected INTO games to appease "critics" who don't buy and hate games and gamers. i thought you said that either the pro- or anti- sides were trying toban one thing or another at various times your argument keeps shifting so quickly i can't keep up with what you're trying to say!
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Jun 27, 2015 22:15
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so some people said some mean things on twitter, thus there is a group of people who are actually hypocrites who want to ban games? you're losing me here man, i just can't follow what it is you're mad about or why
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Jun 27, 2015 22:16
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Totalizator posted:Nobody wants to keep opposing ideologies out of games. People don't want ideologies injected INTO games to appease "critics" who don't buy and hate games and gamers. This is a wholly meaningless statement. Games, as art, are inherently ideological products. There is no conspiracy to make games less fun by people who "hate games and gamers".
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Jun 27, 2015 22:16
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Totalizator posted:It is exactly that except SJW is a loaded and inaccurate term so I'm using this one instead. Isn't this something that has been proposed and attempted multiple times in the past few years? "People hate us because of our antics, if we change our name and the names of our terms they might forget about what we used to do." What makes you think that this time people will go "oh, OK". It reminds me of when people tried to push for moving from "Feminism" to "egalitarianism" because "Feminism" was too loaded and negative for certain people. The consensus there was that anyone who hated Feminism would still hate Feminism for the same reasons. You can't just avoid debate by rebranding yourself perpetually.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:16
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i thought you said that either the pro- or anti- sides were trying toban one thing or another at various times GG had a lovely opinion and complained about female Thor but I don't recall them wanting to ban it.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:17
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Totalizator posted:Nobody wants to keep opposing ideologies out of games. People don't want ideologies injected INTO games to appease "critics" who don't buy and hate games and gamers. Why aren't my games all anime tittays sold explicitly to 13-year old me(which i am still, mentally)?
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Jun 27, 2015 22:17
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Panzeh posted:Why aren't my games all anime tittays sold explicitly to 13-year old me(which i am still, mentally)? Nice strawman, good job!
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Jun 27, 2015 22:18
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Popular Thug Drink posted:so some people said some mean things on twitter, thus there is a group of people who are actually hypocrites who want to ban games? Totalizators argument is that there is a conspiracy to make games less fun.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:18
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Totalizators argument is that there is a conspiracy to make games less fun. There is no conspiracy, there is a loud group of activists however. You're injecting the word conspiracy to make it sound less credible. These people are very much out in the open. And it's not about making games less fun it's about nitpicking and moaning about every single aspect of a game not in line with their political ideology. Which can make a game less fun in that it makes it more sanitized and boring.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:22
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Totalizator posted:Nice strawman, good job! I'm just pruning out the nebulous 'ideology' stuff because it's such a vague sentence that it's impossible to discern what would and would not be "ideology" getting "forced" into a game. And you claim to be scientific.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:22
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While I agree that conspiracy isn't the right word for it, I would say that's mostly only because "conspiracy" implies both some level of secrecy and some level of competence. This is less of that and more just a group of people loudly screaming "MAKE GAMES LESS FUN!" at anybody who will listen to them. Which is almost nobody.
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Jun 27, 2015 22:22
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Totalizator posted:Nobody wants to keep opposing ideologies out of games. People don't want ideologies injected INTO games to appease "critics" who don't buy and hate games and gamers. if nobody wants to keep ideologies out of games then why were you going on about censorship i think i can't really track your argument because you haven't quite figured it out yet
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Totalizator posted:Nobody wants to keep opposing ideologies out of games. People don't want ideologies injected INTO games to appease "critics" who don't buy and hate games and gamers. In going to need some proof of this happening ever
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