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Obdicut posted:Okay, I played the game a lot and don't remember that. you sure that's a taunt and not a one-off line? I think it's directed at Bruce Wayne, not Batman. At the beginning when you're being led into Arkham City, one of the prisoners says it to Bruce Wayne. He wouldn't dream of saying it to the power fantasy the players want to be, though.
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Obdicut posted:Okay, I played the game a lot and don't remember that. you sure that's a taunt and not a one-off line? I misremembered the line. It's actually "you're mine." I edited the post to correct it.
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Dongicus posted:currently playing valkyria chronicles here, im enjoying it. its pretty good, hang in there bud 
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Totalizator posted:Here's an excercise: try to find gamergaters complaining about a woman or minority protagonist in a game, instead of a white male. Ideally have it be in a long conversation where other gamergaters join in with support and not a lone and forgotten tweet by some nut, but I'll be generous and take those too. Here is a better challenge: Find GG campaign that isn't protection of a consumer identity. e: Totalizator posted:To describe how things are different from one another you need words. Splatoon is not Gone Home is not God of War is not Bayonetta. Please tell me how I'm a mindless consumerist again and a braindead sheeple not capable of understanding the nuance of anti-capitalist thought. There is nothing that makes games less or more "arty". They're by definition art. And yes, you are a consumerist, just like GG and anti-GG. That is why they're so hollow. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:It's a loving great game and everyone should play it Unironically yes; if the sexism is used for a specific purpose then the debate becomes more nuanced. Going back to it, lots of rape and gender-specific abuse happens in Mad Max: Fury Road, but it exists for a specific purpose (abhorring objectification and gender oppression), so feminists hail it as a progressive movie. If this was a part of Catwoman's story; a jewel thief who, after witnessing misogynistic violence/an attempted rape, becomes disgusted and determined to clean up Gotham, then the taunts would be better recieved, as they would make sense in-story and its implied that the player is playing to remove that from the status quo. For the record, I don't think you're being disungenuous or an rear end in a top hat, and I hope some of this discussion is rubbing off
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blackguy32 posted:But, the whole point is that the Alien or the facehuggers don't give a gently caress about what gender you are. The game (which cribs heavily from the movie) handles its tone in an entirely different way. Agreed. I won't be surprised if some twitter nut decides to attack it on those aforementioned sexual grounds, though.
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Ddraig posted:I think it's directed at Bruce Wayne, not Batman. At the beginning when you're being led into Arkham City, one of the prisoners says it to Bruce Wayne. He wouldn't dream of saying it to the power fantasy the players want to be, though. Oh yeah I remember that now. So yeah, Batman doesn't get called a bitch. Only Catwoman. In 'reality', batman would be called a bitch a lot too, because the patriarchy. A defense of it as showing what a woman would really go through compared to a man is undermined by this. Also her ridiculous crotch-slide and wrapping her legs around a guy's face to choke him out using her pelvis. INH5 posted:I misremembered the line. It's actually "you're mine." I edited the post to correct it. Cool. So it doesn't actually portray what a female vs. a male hero would experience. Also the crotch-slide stuff, you've got to admit that poo poo is ridic.
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Oh poo poo, I forgot! You fight rape culture by pretending rape doesn't exist, my mistake. blackguy32 posted:So many white male protagonists in video games despite minorities making up a considerable part of the population? Why does it seem that Gamergaters are fine with realism until it starts going against the status quo? Because there's always that bunch of idiots who think they have forced these features to appease the SJW crowd. It's not just gamergate mind you.
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Bholder posted:Oh poo poo, I forgot! not adding rape threats to a game is not the same as pretending rape doesn't exist i don't say the n-word. that does not mean i believe racism doesn't exist your argument doesn't make any sense at all
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Here is a better challenge: How about their numerous charity drives?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:not adding rape threats to a game is not the same as pretending rape doesn't exist Neither does yours.
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Brannock posted:I see your very valid point but I also don't know if it's a good idea for games that are ostensibly set in a world that's Very Similar To Ours to depict it as a place where women and minorities don't experience any discrimination or threats beyond that which a white male experiences. Especially if it's a game that tries to rub the player's nose into the fact that life is pretty lovely? I'm not calling for Animal Crossing to start tossing in sexist threats here, but I think it'd be helpful for a certain subset of gamers to recognize that female characters (and thus real women) get a very different experience from threats than male characters do. I addressed this a little in the previous post, but I agree that removing sexism everywhere irregardless of context is a bad idea. My specific problem with Arkham City is that it's very explicitly a power fantasy, and it flounders in this respect in this specific situation.
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Neurolimal posted:Unironically yes; if the sexism is used for a specific purpose then the debate becomes more nuanced.  Game writing as a whole needs a facelift. I think AAA consider plot / dialogue much less than mechanics / graphics.
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INH5 posted:How about their numerous charity drives? That is an example of identity protection. Charity in general is a feel-good exercise.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:not adding rape threats to a game is not the same as pretending rape doesn't exist
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Bholder posted:Neither does yours. it's perfectly sensible to believe that something exists without actively acknowledging it all of the time. nearly every living human does this every day
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Totalizator posted:Here's an excercise: try to find gamergaters complaining about a woman or minority protagonist in a game, instead of a white male. Ideally have it be in a long conversation where other gamergaters join in with support and not a lone and forgotten tweet by some nut, but I'll be generous and take those too. https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2yt8hk/forcing_diversity_gamergate/ Oh no! Racial quotas in games!
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mandatory lesbian posted:you'll get used to the ui, is what i mean Please do not post in this thread.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:That is an example of identity protection. Charity in general is a feel-good exercise. By that standards, everything anyone ever does could be considered identity protection. To be fair, it is well established in psychology that a huge amount of human behavior is done with the intention of reinforcing a group identity. But that doesn't make it bad.
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blackguy32 posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2yt8hk/forcing_diversity_gamergate/ This came about because they were trying to force a Polish developer to include black characters in a game set in 14th century Poland, and then they went on a campaign declaring him a racist because he said "no".
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blackguy32 posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2yt8hk/forcing_diversity_gamergate/ He's complaining about tokenism, try again.
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INH5 posted:By that standards, everything anyone ever does could be considered identity protection. Your mistake is that you don't consider what kind of group identity is being protected. The charity drives are almost naked PR exercise. Just see how they're used as examples of GG being good. Supermechagodzilla posted:Games aren't as fun as when you were ten years old. Who stole fun from the games?! Supermechagodzilla posted:This is a kind of confirmation of what I've written. Corruption for money is, to gamers, absolutely normal and acceptable. Anyone can theoretically get in on that action, because capital is 'universal'. Nintendo Power and IGN were simply "small groups of like-minded friends [ensuring] a decent payday for themselves." Totalizator is basically a textbook example of this. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Totalizator posted:He's complaining about tokenism, try again. That's basically what every gamergater will complain about, but that doesn't sound as good as "GG hates women"
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God Bless SuperMechaGodzilla.Bonesnap posted:This came about because they were trying to force a Polish developer to include black characters in a game set in 14th century Poland, and then they went on a campaign declaring him a racist because he said "no". I hope that game allows modding.
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:God Bless SuperMechaGodzilla You're in luck. He predicted eveything Totalizator says, it's kind of amazing. e: Even the bit about praying to companies, with how they'll totally ignore SJWs eventually.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You're in luck. I got into that thread shortly before it was gassed. That was a magical time.
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:God Bless SuperMechaGodzilla. We're talking about Witcher 3 here right? Because I don't think any game that has dwarves and elves can really claim to be set in 14th century anywhere.
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The game is Kingdom Come: Deliverence
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Totalizator posted:He's complaining about tokenism, try again. This is pretty rich considering the #Notyourshield hashtag. Basically what we are getting now is the status quo where no one want to do a drat thing because they are afraid of "tokenism".
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Could you play as a female character in the South Park game?
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Male only, but the game cracked a number of jokes based on your skin tone.blackguy32 posted:This is pretty rich considering the #Notyourshield hashtag. I remember the issue of "reskinned white people" coming up in the minorities thread when discussing straight replacements for the bald white dude as a generic protagonist. How would you go that route without resorting to tokenism?
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i believe in a world where all of us can game together in peace and love and friendship. i hope you too believe in this world. it is a world like the one in splatoon however. youre a kid now youre a squid now youre a kid.
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When the Kingdom Come guy said he wasn't going to add a token black guy in his game about 14th century Polish culture, they essentially said "Polish culture? That's not a real thing. Add a black guy or we boycott."
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VideoGames posted:all video games are hth
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Bonesnap posted:When the Kingdom Come guy said he wasn't going to add a token black guy in his game about 14th century Polish culture, they essentially said "Polish culture? That's not a real thing. Add a black guy or we boycott." Which was also what they said about the Witcher crew: "Slavs have no culture."
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Zerilan posted:We're talking about Witcher 3 here right? Because I don't think any game that has dwarves and elves can really claim to be set in 14th century anywhere. This is two controversies conflated. There's Witcher 3, and there's an RPG about 14th Century Bohemia (Kingdom Come. Deliverance, I believe).
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Which was also what they said about the Witcher crew: "Slavs have no culture." I got the two devs there confused on that statement I guess. Either way, I don't want to live in a world where squatting with a cigarette doesn't count as culture.
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