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quote:Mr. Yan, the author of the empty condo report for BTA Works, was intrigued by the potential impact of the few-months-at-a-time renter. That sort of condo use would not have made it into his empty condo study, which was based on electricity usage. He said the short-term renter would have just as big an impact as the empty condo, however, because they are competing with rental stock for the working local looking for a home. The massive difference between empty condos and short term rentals (STR) though is that in the empty condos are completely useless, whereas STR are occupied by tourists that are injecting significant amounts of money into the local economy.
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# ? Jun 27, 2015 22:09 |
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Femtosecond posted:The massive difference between empty condos and short term rentals (STR) though is that in the empty condos are completely useless, whereas STR are occupied by tourists that are injecting significant amounts of money into the local economy. The part you seem to be missing is that having outside money flowing into the housing market is indeed stimulate, but that stimulation has serious negative repercussions for the local housing market, and the vagur and ill defined economic benefits don't remotely offset those repercussions. Housing is not a commodity, it's a necessity for living. If the local housing market has entirely decoupled from local incomes, that's bad, and some dickhead making a few grand a year renting his shoebox condo doesn't change that fact.
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# ? Jun 27, 2015 22:28 |
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Sjw calculus: being a rentier is only ok if you're hoarding taxi licences
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PT6A posted:Why is long-term rental availability inherently better than short-term rental availability? The use cases are completely different, and you need both. It's ridiculous to blame AirBnB for low rental availability just the same as it would be stupid to blame a company like Premiere Executive Suites. You've obviously never tried to rent a place long term in Whistler. Or I assume anywhere else that depends primarily on tourist dollars. But JFC does looking for long term rentals here suck balls. edit: http://whistler.craigslist.ca/apa/5093432669.html HookShot fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Franks Happy Place posted:The part you seem to be missing is that having outside money flowing into the housing market is indeed stimulate, but that stimulation has serious negative repercussions for the local housing market, and the vagur and ill defined economic benefits don't remotely offset those repercussions. Tourism is acknowledged to be a important part of Vancouver's economy, and the benefits of increased tourism seem clear to me. Increased tourism is not a vague and ill defined economic benefit. If the City does study this AirBnB issue throughly (and they definitely should) I would hope that they would try to determine the impact of these STR units on the Tourism economy in addition to determining a more precise idea of the actual number of STR units and whether removing those units from the market has a meaningful effect on rental vacancy or if it's just a drop in the ocean.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 02:08 |
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Want to make Airbnb less lucrative and thus increase long term rental stock? Increase supply of hotels. Oh wait there's a cartel of special interest groups who aren't interested in this sort liberalization. I guess this should put you sjws on the side of hotel chains.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 02:19 |
The problem is hotels aren't fully self contained. I almost always look at airbnb type sites for places before I look at hotels for that exact reason. If for the same price I can get a one bedroom condo/studio with a full kitchen, well that'll save me so much money/calories on food from eating out that I will absolutely go that route.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 02:25 |
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Cultural Imperial posted:Want to make Airbnb less lucrative and thus increase long term rental stock? Increase supply of hotels. Hey man, whats with dropping SJW every post? Makes you sound like a gamer gater and not our own version of Dale Reed.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 02:27 |
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"Don't buy the most expensive house in the neighbourhood" Oops http://www.centris.ca/en/houses~for-sale~candiac~monteregie~5-rue-dublin/27766649
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 03:41 |
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If you've got that much money to build a literal mansion, why aren't you buying some more secluded property instead of building in the (rich person) suburbs?
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:If you've got that much money to build a literal mansion, why aren't you buying some more secluded property instead of building in the (rich person) suburbs? I'm not sure. It lacks the seclusion of a rural mansion but it's also lacks the urban appeal of a place like Westmount. It's probably a lot easier to sell a $7 million house in Wesmount even if it ends up being a lot smaller.
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EngineerJoe posted:"Don't buy the most expensive house in the neighbourhood" Oops Christ it's bigger than the consulates of most countries.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 04:13 |
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Is that a garage with 5 garage doors?
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 04:31 |
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To be fair, if I had the sort of money where having a $7 mil house seemed reasonable, I'd have at least 5 cars.
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Vehementi posted:Is that a garage with 5 garage doors? Don't be silly, it's much too big. Clearly those are five affordably priced bungalows for low-income earners.
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PT6A posted:To be fair, if I had the sort of money where having a $7 mil house seemed reasonable, I'd have at least 5 cars. To be fair, those are double car garages.
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apatheticman posted:To be fair, those are double car garages. If you look at the car on the left side of the image for scale, I'm pretty sure those would be tight as gently caress to try and fit two cars into.
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EngineerJoe posted:I'm not sure. It lacks the seclusion of a rural mansion but it's also lacks the urban appeal of a place like Westmount. It's probably a lot easier to sell a $7 million house in Wesmount even if it ends up being a lot smaller. Not only suburban, Candiac is considered sort of a white trashy nouveau riche suburb, which may explain the particular architectural designs.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 05:21 |
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Who would spend 7 mil on a castle in a Montreal suburb of all places? Zoning laws must not exist as I see the property nearly touching all neighbours for a castle that large. Also those cars in the left are on a neighbours driveway.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 06:11 |
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Hey motherfuckers its neoliberal macro guessing time. China's stock market declined 7+percent last week and pboc responded by dropping the o/n rate for the 4th time since last November and dropped bank reserve ratios by 1%. Greece couldn't find a solution to their debt problem so their ~Marxist pm decided to pull a christy Clark and put the question of crippling austerity vs eurozone membership to a referendum. This coming week is either going to be loving hilarious for the world of finance or I will stop drinking alcohol for a month. Is this the start of something really bad for Canadian housing finance or not?
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Cultural Imperial posted:Hey motherfuckers its neoliberal macro guessing time. China's stock market declined 7+percent last week and pboc responded by dropping the o/n rate for the 4th time since last November and dropped bank reserve ratios by 1%. Nope. People are going to freak out, the BoC will keep its rate low and money from Asia and Europe is going to seek safety in other markets like the U.S. and so forth making banks even more willing to lend! Expect mortgage rates to fall Edit: also all stimulus is universal! The amount of money that the central bank in China pumps into the economy is going slosh around in capital markets around the world, not just in China. Gorau fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=11171131quote:Vancouverites rediscovering the ‘magic’ of being out on the water lol
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 16:17 |
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Gorau posted:
Maybe. On the other hand, the last pboc stimulus had few takers from Chinese financial institutions.
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I don't get why this is a surprise. It's almost axiomatic when you look at a whole system. The interest rate is the price of money. The massive savings rate in east Asia and the massive expansionary policies of all the worlds major central banks make cash cheap and therefore the interest rate low. Low price means high consumption and there you are, high debt levels.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 18:46 |
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Yeah, because a paediatric anesthesiologist and a psychologist are representative of the community at large.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 19:47 |
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Mandibular Fiasco posted:Yeah, because a paediatric anesthesiologist and a psychologist are representative of the community at large. lol Fronczek believes it is a combination of relief that the recession is over and people suddenly deciding life is too short.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 19:54 |
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etalian posted:lol Brilliant. YOLO and the absence of personal angst are now economic variables to be modelled. So 'life is too short'...how does one know that if one doesn't know exactly how long one is going to live? "Too short" for what, exactly? And when did this recession actually end? I'm employed, which is more than I can say for when I lost my job in the middle of the GFC, but it's hardly fantastic goings. I can't understand why journalists quote people making these statements without asking them what evidence they have for their position beyond personal experience. I am continually reminded of Lionel Hutz who said that he had "plenty of hearsay and conjecture" which were "kinds of evidence". Edit: And seriously, we're trusting the boat sales guy to tell us about the state of the economy? This is only marginally better a tactic then let's ask the bozo on the street what he thinks about <INSERT TOPIC HERE>.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 20:39 |
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Nothing to see here, nothing wrong at all. The giant lump under the carpet? Nothing, I told yah, the economy is doing just fine! - Every pundit/economist/banker Of course, this is not exclusive to "the economy", see for example: http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/06/09/why-has-bloomberg-given-robert-bryce-a-platform/203936
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Mandibular Fiasco posted:Brilliant. YOLO and the absence of personal angst are now economic variables to be modelled. also the classic thing in which they ask real estate agents and brokers what the market will do.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 21:03 |
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etalian posted:also the classic thing in which they ask real estate agents and brokers what the market will do. Yes, the joys of being a middle-man. Everything is great until someone figures out how to get rid of you.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 21:21 |
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Even when you interview actual economists instead of realtors, a lot of the most widely read and cited financial experts are taking huge speaking fees or working at university departments that have large endowments provided by major financial institutions. Plus a lot of economists hold particular ideological positions that either say markets are really efficient and therefore bubbles and other fraud can't be endemic, or that markets have all been corrupted by big government, low interest rates or whatever, and therefore catastrophic hyper inflation is always right around the corner. So I imagine it's rather hard to find large numbers of experts on the economy who don't have at least a potential conflict of interest. Even the guys who are constantly predicting doom are usually pitching their own book or their unique investment strategy that will help you survive the coming crash or whatever. It's not exactly a field that produces a lot of unbiased observers. And it's not as though most newspapers actually exist to inform their readers. As long as you're able to attract advertisers or please your papers owner you are doing your job right, and in either case providing the most accurate analysis possible isn't necessarily going to help you achieve those goals.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 21:54 |
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Really wish we were at the information / tech level to be able to just pit all these people against each other in a debate that continually iterates on a thesis, eventually arriving at the truth, or the truths, subject to certain assumptions, and we can draw down to "The bubble will burst, if you believe markets are efficient, and the bubble will not burst, unless the unknown statistic of foreign investment is above $X." But no, we read some guy's opinion backed up by anecdotes. Then, some other guy's opinion that doesn't directly refute anything in the first one, meanwhile both contain some elements of truth.
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# ? Jun 28, 2015 23:42 |
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Or you know, you could do some work and read some Shiller. Nah that's just his opinion man
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# ? Jun 29, 2015 00:21 |
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There are obviously economists and market analysts out there worth listening to, the point is that good economic analysis is an under supplied public good in the marketplace of ideas for reasons that are entirely predictable (i.e. a lot of people benefit from this status quo).
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Mandibular Fiasco posted:Yes, the joys of being a middle-man. Everything is great until someone figures out how to get rid of you. I always love the real estate agent interviews for a business article since they always talk about how they feel the market it heating up again and then throw in some random anecdotal stories to support their ideas.
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http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/sears-canadas-chances-of-survival-are-slim-analyst-says-its-now-or-neverquote:Time is running out for struggling department store chain Sears Canada to improve its financial results and the chances of survival are slim, says one retail analyst. hurry up and die sears
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# ? Jun 29, 2015 02:02 |
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Who gives a gently caress? When was the last time anyone shopped at Sears anyway? It should shuffle off and die already instead of taking of space.
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# ? Jun 29, 2015 02:05 |
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Because you loving idiot, sears employs 11k people in canada.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...628210527&ord=1quote:A Canadian mortgage meltdown? Unlikely Nothing bad will happen if nothing changes. That's some loving sharp analysis right there. People actually give these loving assholes money to manage?
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