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Joementum posted:Also today, in Montgomery, AL "Southern Lives Matter" Meanwhile,  Bree Newsome has been released. Here is her statement: 
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Joementum posted:Also today, in Montgomery, AL "Southern Lives Matter" I'm afraid they don't.
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JT Jag posted:It's probably actually been done poo poo, I spent forever yesterday trying to think of a movie to go with my rainbow cocktails, and I totally forgot Scorpio Rising was a thing. loving missed opportunities.
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Nintendo Kid posted:I'm afraid they don't. ... gently caress. I live there and hadn't heard a thing about it. Goddamnit I hate this city sometimes.
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Fried Chicken posted:So for those keeping track we are now at 5 cases of arson directed against black churches in 6 days Joementum posted:Also today, in Montgomery, AL "Southern Lives Matter" We should probably call in the National Guard so that they can be arrested shortly. Hopefully this will happen before the extremists can cause further damage.
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the shadow toker posted:Someone please combine the ISIS dildo flag with the Don Lemon "Does This Offend You" picture  via @GeorgeBaileyDog
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Mr Interweb posted:So millions of people get to keep their health insurance, millions more will be able to get married, and hell, even that Fair Housing case actually worked in favor of liberals. Seems like a pretty good June. But the real question is: does all this make up for Nintendo's lousy E3 conference? We get Xenoblade Chronicles X later this year.  Joementum posted:Also today, in Montgomery, AL "Southern Lives Matter" But... they actually don't matter. Like if every neo-Confederate shithead died off right now the country would be much better off.
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Fried Chicken posted:So for those keeping track we are now at 5 cases of arson directed against black churches in 6 days
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Nintendo Kid posted:I'm afraid they don't. They actually do, but no more than anybody else's and definetly not that much.
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Fried Chicken posted:So for those keeping track we are now at 5 cases of arson directed against black churches in 6 days I hate that I have to ask, but is this higher than the typical rate?
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Grundulum posted:I hate that I have to ask, but is this higher than the typical rate?
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Joementum posted:Also today, in Montgomery, AL "Southern Lives Matter" 
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Nintendo Kid posted:I'm afraid they don't. Okay I'm not eager to pull some "truth is in the middle" bullshit but in this case, I think it really is; Black southern lives matter. Hispanic southern lives matter. Native southern lives matter. All other non-white southern lives matter. Female southern lives matter. LGBT southern lives matter. White straight guys though, gently caress 'em.
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Mister Adequate posted:Okay I'm not eager to pull some "truth is in the middle" bullshit but in this case, I think it really is; Well there ain't any of the people who matter holding that sign. 
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Meanwhile, Bree owns
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Grundulum posted:I hate that I have to ask, but is this higher than the typical rate? Obviously this doesn't hold a candle to everything else that happened during Freedom Summer, but I would be curious to know how this six day stretch compares to other... uhhh sprees since then.
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Joementum posted:Also today, in Montgomery, AL "Southern Lives Matter"  Let's make it an even million
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Actually, no Americans died fighting for those flags. 
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Apparently at least six black churches have been destroyed just among the four states covered in this article: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/06/26/string-of-nighttime-fires-hit-predominately-black-churches-in-four-southern-states/
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Joementum posted:Actually, no Americans died fighting for those flags.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I was going to say the same thing....they were Confederates. Sounds like someone disagrees with our Prophet Abraham Lincoln.
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Fried Chicken posted:So for those keeping track we are now at 5 cases of arson directed against black churches in 6 days I just checked up on the Tallahassee fire because that's where I live and we've had some KKK resurgence actions in the last few months, and found this: quote:Tallahassee Fire Department officials say the cause of the fire is under investigation but early indications lead officials to believe that it may have been an electrical fire.
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Joementum posted:Actually, no Americans died fighting for those flags. I think they should be considered Americans. Furthermore I have to believe the majority of the non-slave owning Confederate infantry were essentially blameless rubes (I guess part of the Southern tradition of fiercely defending stupid things for stupid reasons). The issue with the sign is it appeals to the "Are Troops" mindset, and that is disingenuous. What actually happened is that Americans lost over 600k lives to purge the evil institution of slavery they had grown rich and dependent upon. The flag represents the violent defense of that institution, and even after its defeat in war continued to represent that violent pro-slavery mindset as the descendants of the Confederacy enforced dehumanizing and often lethal measures of control against blacks. It's a real issue to this day, when a black kid can be shot with impunity if the killer claims they were scared. So all those 600k lives were spent for a half measure as long as you keep the spirit of that backwards South alive. THE loving FLAG DOESN'T MEAN YOUR REDNECK IDENTITY, IT MEANS YOU WANT TO KILL BLACKS. IT MEANS IT SO HARD THAT IF YOU CLAIM OTHERWISE NO ONE WILL BELIEVE YOU. IT MEANS GENOCIDE IN REAL LIFE TO EVERYONE BESIDES YOU AND YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE A FLAG THAT SAYS "gently caress YOU OR LET'S KILL BLACKS."
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Moxie posted:I think they should be considered Americans. Furthermore I have to believe the majority of the non-slave owning Confederate infantry were essentially blameless rubes (I guess part of the Southern tradition of fiercely defending stupid things for stupid reasons). The rest of your post is fine and all, but I do have to take issue with this. As Chandra Manning makes more than clear in What This Cruel War Was Over: Soldiers, Slavery, and the Civil War, derived entirely from primary source material, the grunts of the South understood perfectly well that the existential reason for the war was to preserve and extend slavery, and they had no problem with that, in those rare instances where they were not enthusiastic supporters of it.
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GlyphGryph posted:Apparently at least six black churches have been destroyed just among the four states covered in this article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVQjGGJVSXc
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Captain_Maclaine posted:The rest of your post is fine and all, but I do have to take issue with this. As Chandra Manning makes more than clear in What This Cruel War Was Over: Soldiers, Slavery, and the Civil War, derived entirely from primary source material, the grunts of the South understood perfectly well that the existential reason for the war was to preserve and extend slavery, and they had no problem with that, in those rare instances where they were not enthusiastic supporters of it. I don't think they understood the concept because they were illiterate tribal yokels with inadequate mental facilities to understand an atrocity happening to another person or group of people. They were the educational equivalent of Gray Parrots and it's hard to hold them responsible for a war declared by and for rich people.
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This, so much. Is it too late to expel Mississippi from the Union? 
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Tender Bender posted:Would probably be easier to make all the stars buttholes. Alternating buttholes and dildos.
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Joementum posted:Also today, in Montgomery, AL "Southern Lives Matter" Apparently only ones with money. 
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Joementum posted:Actually, no Americans died fighting for those flags. Texas v, White (1869) suggests otherwise, Joe.
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Moxie posted:I don't think they understood the concept because they were illiterate tribal yokels with inadequate mental facilities to understand an atrocity happening to another person or group of people. They were the educational equivalent of Gray Parrots and it's hard to hold them responsible for a war declared by and for rich people. Really. You think all Confederate soldiers were too stupid to understand the horror going on around them in the place that they lived. Because they didn't have formal schooling, they couldn't understand that it was wrong to keep a race of people as slaves or to commit treason to perpetuate that condition. Incredibly, you've managed to insult both Southerners and black people here: Southerners because you're suggesting they're all gap-toothed idiot moron yokels with no capacity for apprehending the difference between right and wrong on the most basic level imaginable, and blacks because you're essentially excusing the consciously-committed crimes of their past oppressors by arguing it wasn't conscious, the poor fuckers were just too stupid to know better.
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Moxie posted:I don't think they understood the concept because they were illiterate tribal yokels with inadequate mental facilities to understand an atrocity happening to another person or group of people. They were the educational equivalent of Gray Parrots and it's hard to hold them responsible for a war declared by and for rich people. Supraluminal posted:Really. You think all Confederate soldiers were too stupid to understand the horror going on around them in the place that they lived. Because they didn't have formal schooling, they couldn't understand that it was wrong to keep a race of people as slaves or to commit treason to perpetuate that condition. At least we can all agree that they were a bunch of traitors.
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Joementum posted:Also today, in Montgomery, AL "Southern Lives Matter"  White people will never understand why all of these movements to take on racism and oppression exist in the first place.
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Moxie posted:I don't think they understood the concept because they were illiterate tribal yokels with inadequate mental facilities to understand an atrocity happening to another person or group of people. They were the educational equivalent of Gray Parrots and it's hard to hold them responsible for a war declared by and for rich people. You're wrong as the written material they left behind makes it clear that, as satisfying as it would be to write them off as Deliverance and Dukes of Hazard extras, they were mostly politically aware of what they were fighting for, despite being less educated than the equivalent Northerner. That they were, yes, less literate does not diminish that this was a flowering age of the written word even for the worse off parts of America. Seriously, read the book I cited if you've still some doubts. Much like the Ordinary Men of a certain other war, it's far too easy to give the Confederates a pass by claiming they didn't really know what they were fighting for, when the historical record shows quite the opposite.
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centaurtainment posted:At least we can all agree that they were a bunch of traitors. Only sort of though, and in a way that's not especially damning. They were only (meaningfully) traitors because they lost. The evil of the Confederacy was slavery, not rebellion. The legality of Lincoln's response to secession wasn't really clear at the time, and it's not like the Constitution has a "blood in blood out" clause. The whole US are traitors to the British. The Brits are traitors to various monarchies that got overthrown, plus Cromwell. They're all traitors to the Romans. No one really gives a poo poo.
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"Feinstein, Pelosi, Boxer. That is a short list. I refuse tio argue it. Do your research." Someone on my Dad's lovely FB post listed this when I asked who was trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Can anyone point me towards some info about this? I did some basic googling and all I got were lovely right wing sites moaning about nothing.
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Supraluminal posted:Really. You think all Confederate soldiers were too stupid to understand the horror going on around them in the place that they lived. Because they didn't have formal schooling, they couldn't understand that it was wrong to keep a race of people as slaves or to commit treason to perpetuate that condition. This has to be emphasized. It's a pretty pernicious form of idiotic historical whitewashing to portray the average man who fought for the confederacy as a poor innocent hoodwinked idiot being manipulated like a puppet by a tiny majority of rich planters. There was certainly a fair bit of propaganda and popular opinion management encouraged by the upper classes(being a poor white is infinitely better than being a slave in our society! slaves love being slaves because black people are inferior! you don't want blacks mixing with your daughters, do you????), but that propaganda existed to reinforce what was already generally accepted. Your average confederate soldier was fully aware of the lives that your average slave led. It would be kind of loving hard to not be given the permeation of slavery throughout virtually the entire south and how central it was to the southern economy. Almost universally they either didn't give a poo poo about the plight of the black people, aspired to own slaves of their own someday, or found it distasteful but not distasteful enough to actively do anything about it. They certainly weren't "ahyuk what's all the fuss about them negroes anyhoo?". There's a significant amount of primary source letters from your average Confederate privates talking about this. Kanos fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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