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Pfft, yeah try saying that to me in real life. God I cant believe you think these things!
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Hating on mad max futy road is worse then gamergate.
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So, anybody else from the anti-anti-GG side wanna give their take on Anita Sarkeesian?Cyron posted:Hating on mad max futy road is worse then gamergate.
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Jun 28, 2015 17:39
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SedanChair posted:Yeah see the thing is, that argument actually becomes a good one when the issue at hand is totally manufactured and not real or significant in any way. The issues gamergate is trying to bring up are not real or meaningful, at all. They're not just lower priorities compared to those issues, they are literally not issues. By the way, this doesn't apply to the anti-GG response, or to the calling out of misogyny that led to the backlash in the first place; calling out misogyny is always a real issue. Calling out misogyny is fine. Making extremely tenuous accusations of bigotry in the name of making ad revenue is scummy and manipulative. Telling the Japanese to change their culture is technically cultural imperialism as well, but you'll have to sit through this video for Xfinity cable packages to read the rest of that post.
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Cingulate posted:This does not make it good. It also doesn't make it feminist, but that's not been the question. It also doesn't necessarily make it appealing to women. Mad Max Fury Road had a 70% male audience, more male dominated than the Expendables 3 and 300 Rise of an Empire. Meanwhile, Pitch Perfect 2, which many feminist bloggers hated because it supposedly made sexist/racist/homophobic jokes (I haven't seen the movie, so I can't say if these criticisms are accurate or not), opened the same weekend and actually beat Mad Max for the #1 spot with a 75% female audience. I still love the new Mad Max movie, but I just think it's funny that a movie that has been widely praised as the Most Feminist Movie Evar doesn't actually seem to appeal to women at large that much. But that really shouldn't be surprising, given how so many people spent 5 years blasting the Twilight movies as the most misogynistic movies ever made at the same time that those movies raked in 1.5 billion dollars at the global box office from an overwhelmingly female audience, or how the exact same thing happened with Fifty Shades of Grey this year.
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Jun 28, 2015 17:40
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Cingulate posted:So, anybody else from the anti-anti-GG side wanna give their take on Anita Sarkeesian? It's actually pretty great and well written
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Jun 28, 2015 17:43
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INH5 posted:It also doesn't necessarily make it appealing to women. Mad Max Fury Road had a 70% male audience, more male dominated than the Expendables 3 and 300 Rise of an Empire. Meanwhile, Pitch Perfect 2, which many feminist bloggers hated because it supposedly made sexist/racist/homophobic jokes (I haven't seen the movie, so I can't say if these criticisms are accurate or not), opened the same weekend and actually beat Mad Max for the #1 spot with a 75% female audience. Video games and action movies promote the very thing that is killing men: masculinity. Similarly, I've seen a bunch of gamers complain about their soft nerdy nature leads to them being bullied. Well, show me the last time you were playing a video game where the hero is a soft nerd, and not a masculine hard-rear end.
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Jun 28, 2015 17:47
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Cingulate posted:So, anybody else from the anti-anti-GG side wanna give their take on Anita Sarkeesian? Its loving great movie. Great characters, great visual story telling, great action. Best action movie in a long rear end time.
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Jun 28, 2015 17:48
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:Calling out misogyny is fine. Making extremely tenuous accusations of bigotry in the name of making ad revenue is scummy and manipulative. Dying for Big Bigotry's Ad Profit$
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INH5 posted:It also doesn't necessarily make it appealing to women. Mad Max Fury Road had a 70% male audience, more male dominated than the Expendables 3 and 300 Rise of an Empire. Meanwhile, Pitch Perfect 2, which many feminist bloggers hated because it supposedly made sexist/racist/homophobic jokes (I haven't seen the movie, so I can't say if these criticisms are accurate or not) Pitch Perfect 2 varies from critic to critic. Most people agree that it's a well made movie and that it's a feminist victory that an all-female production topped the charts. Some people want to recognize that but also critique its off-color jokes and that's fine too. There's some people that don't acknowledge the former and pit it against Fury Road; those people are either mistaken or cafeteria feminists. It's good for feminism that Mad Max did well and has directors considering Furiosa when creating female leads and hiring feminist consultants to assist in writing. It's good for feminism that Pitch Perfect 2 showed that producer concerns about female writers, directors, and audiences are unfounded. There is no reason to Sports Team feminism. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Literally The Worst posted:It's actually pretty great and well written Dapper_Swindler posted:Its loving great movie. Great characters, great visual story telling, great action. Best action movie in a long rear end time.
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INH5 posted:It also doesn't necessarily make it appealing to women. Mad Max Fury Road had a 70% male audience, more male dominated than the Expendables 3 and 300 Rise of an Empire. Meanwhile, Pitch Perfect 2, which many feminist bloggers hated because it supposedly made sexist/racist/homophobic jokes (I haven't seen the movie, so I can't say if these criticisms are accurate or not), opened the same weekend and actually beat Mad Max for the #1 spot with a 75% female audience. Were the Kill Bills considered Good Feminist films? My gut said yes, but the jezebels / mary sues werent around to praise / condemn em.
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Cingulate posted:Indeed, I now very well understand Michael Bay's take on feminism, and on 17 year olds. Yeah. pretty much. Even if you being sarcastic.
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So is there an actual point for this thread yet? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cingulate posted:
I dunno, heart disease and prostate cancer are pretty high up on that list as well.
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:I dunno, heart disease and prostate cancer are pretty high up on that list as well. So, young men. Video games and action movies promote the very thing that is killing young men. Though I meant not so much as in, things that kills most men, but things that mostly kills men.
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:I dunno, heart disease and prostate cancer are pretty high up on that list as well.
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Bholder posted:So is there an actual point for this thread yet? Debating and Discussing Gamergate and issues that spring forth from Gamergate. So far it's been quite civil and enlightening outside of poo poo-and-run posts. Both sides are responding to each other instead of past each other, and misunderstandings are being corrected. I hope you find something to contribute to this thread 
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Cingulate posted:It makes perfect sense though. Certain parts of patriarchy are most dangerous to men, rather than to women. Consider violence; be it war, or murder. In a sense, war and murder are the most masculine things there are. Most people who get murdered are men, most soldiers who are killed are men. Mad Max isn't feminist because it's masculine? What the gently caress are you talking about? e: I assume you're working under some crippling misapprehension that feminism can only support traditional "feminine" values, instead of violence and revolution. This is, of course, an immensely stupid position. It is actually anti-feminist and patriarchal, trying to reinforce gender roles.
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Neurolimal posted:Debating and Discussing Gamergate and issues that spring forth from Gamergate.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Mad Max isn't feminist because it's masculine? What the gently caress are you talking about? Though maybe this should rather all be rephrased with regards to Witcher 3 (which I've not played, much like I haven't managed to watch more than 15 minutes of Mad Max 4).
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Neurolimal posted:Pitch Perfect 2 varies from critic to critic. Most people agree that it's a well made movie and that it's a feminist victory that an all-female production topped the charts. Some people want to recognize that but also critique its off-color jokes and that's fine too. There's some people that don't acknowledge the former and pit it against Fury Road; those people are either mistaken or cafeteria feminists. Is it also good for feminism that Fifty Shades of Grey, a movie targeted at female audiences, directed by a woman, and based on a book written by a woman, made a whole bunch of money at the box office?
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Sorry, I guess I conflated your post with INH5's. e: Wait, Cingulate posted:This does not make it good. It also doesn't make it feminist, but that's not been the question. What the hell?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Sorry, I guess I conflated your post with INH5's. INH5 posted:Is it also good for feminism that Fifty Shades of Grey, a movie targeted at female audiences, directed by a woman, and based on a book written by a woman, made a whole bunch of money at the box office?
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Cingulate posted:It makes perfect sense though. Certain parts of patriarchy are most dangerous to men, rather than to women. Consider violence; be it war, or murder. In a sense, war and murder are the most masculine things there are. Most people who get murdered are men, most soldiers who are killed are men. No more heroes kind of fit that bill. the main character is a hard rear end but he is a huge loser and a gross nerd and was only killing just to get laid (which he doesn't at the end).
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Cyron posted:No more heroes kind of fit that bill. the main character is a hard rear end but he is a huge loser and a gross nerd and was only killing just to get laid (which he doesn't at the end).
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Cingulate posted:Would you say the "main character is a huge loser and a gross nerd and was only killing just to get laid (which he doesn't at the end)" genre is your favourite video game genre? You think violent games are sexist trash, we get it.
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Cingulate posted:Would you say the "main character is a huge loser and a gross nerd and was only killing just to get laid (which he doesn't at the end)" genre is your favourite video game genre? not really, My favorite game is Yoshi island. I not too kin on big bugget "mature" games. I mean I love GTA but I more or less love the soundtrack and the free-roam nature then the story or the crime drama. Cyron fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Cyron posted:not really, My favorite game is Yoshi island. I not too kin on big bugget "mature" games. I mean I love GTA but I more or less love the soundtrack and the free-roam nature then the story or the crime drama. God i havent played that in years and now i want to again. my favorite series MGS , mass effect, arkham and a ton of others.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:You think violent games are sexist trash, we get it. But that's not why they're bad, they could be very mildly sexist, or progressive, and still be very bad. Cyron posted:not really, My favorite game is Yoshi island. I not too kin on big bugget "mature" games. I mean I love GTA but I more or les love the soundtrack and the free-roam nature then the story.
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Neurolimal posted:Debating and Discussing Gamergate and issues that spring forth from Gamergate. That's weird because I see nothing like this at all.
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Cingulate posted:It makes perfect sense though. Certain parts of patriarchy are most dangerous to men, rather than to women. Consider violence; be it war, or murder. In a sense, war and murder are the most masculine things there are. Most people who get murdered are men, most soldiers who are killed are men. Sure, there is stuff like Unepic ( http://store.steampowered.com/app/233980/) where you play as a nerd that got teleported to a magic castle while going to the bathroom during a D&D game. Going back even further to the SNES era there was Another World (http://store.steampowered.com/app/233550/) and (at least for the firth half) Lester the Unlikely. I mean they are there just not 100% mainstream. And certainly rarely in a big release AAA title if that is what you really mean.
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i adore video games. they are excellent fun and i am always happy when a new one is released that I enjoy or other people enjoy. game on friends
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BexGu posted:Sure, there is stuff like Unepic ( http://store.steampowered.com/app/233980/) where you play as a nerd that got teleported to a magic castle while going to the bathroom during a D&D game. I do have a vague impression video games have gotten more in line with the general Hollywood ideal of violence/masculinity over time. Like, there's still stuff like Tetris, but it's proportionally less. But maybe that's just because one remembers stuff like Frogger and Tetris more than countless attempts at being super masculine from back then.
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Cingulate posted:Like, there's still stuff like Tetris Tetris is Soviet propaganda though.   
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Jun 28, 2015 18:43
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Cingulate posted:Yes. I did not mean to imply every video game ever is Arnold Schwarzenegger 3: The Penis With The Bacon Moustache. That doesn't seem to jive with my experience of the 90s at all. There were abstract games, yes, but there was a ton of stuff like Duke Nukem and other things aping action/fantasy movies and books of the time.
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Bholder posted:That's weird because I see nothing like this at all. Perhaps you could air your grievances with the current discussion, so that they may be remedied? Being ironically detached from the thread might earn you cool points, but it's not particularly useful for improving the sebate, when your audience is not composed of mind readers. INH5 posted:Is it also good for feminism that Fifty Shades of Grey, a movie targeted at female audiences, directed by a woman, and based on a book written by a woman, made a whole bunch of money at the box office? Of course? It's good to have films with sexualized male leads that targets female audiences. The dangerous lack of precautions in its display of S&M are worrying, but that kind of carelessness is common in erotica, and it has inspired members to explain what it does "wrong" so as to avoid mishaps, so it has a positive impact in spite of this fact. I feel like you were hoping for a "Gotcha" here, which leaves me confused. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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So somebody clue me in on what Yatzee has (if anything) to do with Gamergate? Some doofs on another forum keep using GG as a gateway to attack him for his video reviews with maximum nerd rage, but whenever I ask they don't bother to elaborate on what he has to do with it? Did he say something dumb or is this just dorks using rumors to attack the dude for other reasons?
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Parrotine posted:So somebody clue me in on what Yatzee has (if anything) to do with Gamergate? Some doofs on another forum keep using GG as a gateway to attack him for his video reviews with maximum nerd rage, but whenever I ask they don't bother to elaborate on what he has to do with it? Did he say something dumb or is this just dorks using rumors to attack the dude for other reasons? He wrote one or two opinion pieces saying things about Gamergate. People then got mad. That's pretty much it. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...h-Gender-Choice http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...ss-vs-Language- Mekchu fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Cingulate posted:It makes perfect sense though. Certain parts of patriarchy are most dangerous to men, rather than to women. Consider violence; be it war, or murder. In a sense, war and murder are the most masculine things there are. Most people who get murdered are men, most soldiers who are killed are men. I've been waiting patiently for someone to make the argument that video game violence is a misandric trope it's finally happening
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