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Panzeh posted:That doesn't seem to jive with my experience of the 90s at all. Duke Nukem actually was different from the stuff around it. It stood out from the Doom/Dark Forces/System Shock group, all of whom also had male and "masculine" heroes, but Duke Nukem was specifically ABOUT masculinity. With say Doom, it was just kind of clear the guy would look like Rambo - no need to make a point out of it. Duke Nukem stuck out because it made a point out of it. Nowadays, every male character advertised as the protagonist of an action video game I see looks like the Duke.
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Unfunny Poster posted:Tetris is Soviet propaganda though. OH NO, THE SOVIET MUSIC WILL MAKE THE CHILDREN COMMUNISTS Can't wait til 4th of July, that cannonball song is so patriotic.
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Jun 28, 2015 18:56
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Parrotine posted:So somebody clue me in on what Yatzee has (if anything) to do with Gamergate? Some doofs on another forum keep using GG as a gateway to attack him for his video reviews with maximum nerd rage, but whenever I ask they don't bother to elaborate on what he has to do with it? Did he say something dumb or is this just dorks using rumors to attack the dude for other reasons? I believe that he has made a few comments on his LP videos that are vaguely sympathetic to GG, but has deliberately avoided mentioning it in his articles and video reviews.
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Jun 28, 2015 18:57
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Maxwell Adams posted:OH NO, THE SOVIET MUSIC WILL MAKE THE CHILDREN COMMUNISTS Remember, everything has a message. Tetris' was that communism is good. 
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Jun 28, 2015 18:57
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Maxwell Adams posted:OH NO, THE SOVIET MUSIC WILL MAKE THE CHILDREN COMMUNISTS Can't wait until my local fireworks show plays "born in the USA" withoutt knowing it's anti war message.
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Maxwell Adams posted:I've been waiting patiently for someone to make the argument that video game violence is a misandric trope Although "trope" really is the wrong word here. Maxwell Adams posted:OH NO, THE SOVIET MUSIC WILL MAKE THE CHILDREN COMMUNISTS And it's about trying to build a wall without holes. Wall, know what I'm saying?
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Jun 28, 2015 18:59
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Cingulate posted:Yes. I did not mean to imply every video game ever is Arnold Schwarzenegger 3: The Penis With The Bacon Moustache. That probably has more to do with the limited technology for graphics at the time more than anything else. (You can only do so much with 8-bit and below graphics). But really there where ALOT of Buff Dudes Saves the World game back then with the protagonist being a ripping off the likeness of Schwarzenegger/Stallone/Van Damme. Video Games are a business and what sales the most with the most appeal is what is going to be produced the most so its not surprising that as graphics improved it would even more so more towards the Hollywood ideal. Now the nice thing is that the amount of money video games generates (and the audience who plays them) allows for niche/lower cost products to be produced outside the standard Producer/Big Development house budget games so the non-standard buff white dude saves world can be made with a successful release.
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Jun 28, 2015 19:00
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BexGu posted:That probably has more to do with the limited technology for graphics at the time more than anything else. (You can only do so much with 8-bit and below graphics). But really there where ALOT of Buff Dudes Saves the World game back then with the protagonist being a ripping off the likeness of Schwarzenegger/Stallone/Van Damme. Video Games are a business and what sales the most with the most appeal is what is going to be produced the most so its not surprising that as graphics improved it would even more so more towards the Hollywood ideal. Now the nice thing is that the amount of money video games generates (and the audience who plays them) allows for niche/lower cost products to be produced outside the standard Producer/Big Development house budget games so the non-standard buff white dude saves world can be made with a successful release. I do assume technological limitations play a huge role though. Bulging abs and 3-days stubble are hard to render!
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Jun 28, 2015 19:01
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why is jonathan mcintosh such an incredible idiot?
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Jun 28, 2015 19:06
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Cingulate posted:I'd like to see a study on that, like, really exhaustive. it not that hard to believe, look at the cover of a few action games back in the day. the cover for contra for NES is a photoshop of the poster for predator and the cover for the NES metal gear is a stock photo of Kale Reeves from terminator.
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Jun 28, 2015 19:06
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Cingulate posted:So, anybody else from the anti-anti-GG side wanna give their take on Anita Sarkeesian? I would like to know this too. All the answers that have come up so far say that she calls something bad that other people think is not bad, but nobody has refuted any specific claim with a citation of evidence.
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VideoGames posted:why is jonathan mcintosh such an incredible idiot? 
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Cingulate posted:I'd like to see a study on that, like, really exhaustive. Which part? How many videos games have had buff dues over time and/or successful games with with non-standard buff white dude protagonist? The latter would be hard to study cause the race/sex/whatever of the protagonist really would't be the reason a game would fail. Take for example Sunset: the game didn't fail cause the main character was a lower income black women but because the game-play was completely un-engaging.
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Cyron posted:it not that hard to believe, look at the cover of a few action games back in the day. the cover for contra for NES is a photoshop of the poster for predator and the cover for the NES metal gear is a stock photo of Kale Reeves from terminator. 
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Jun 28, 2015 19:12
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Cingulate posted:So, anybody else from the anti-anti-GG side wanna give their take on Anita Sarkeesian? She and Macintosh are bad at video production. That's my chief criticism of their work.
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Jun 28, 2015 19:14
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He seems more right than wrong for a 22-year-old in 2003. Doing better than most of them by a long shot.
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Jun 28, 2015 19:15
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BexGu posted:Which part? How many videos games have had buff dues over time and/or successful games with with non-standard buff white dude protagonist? I don't even know how to properly operationalize the notion. Maybe I'd just like to see 20 truly randomly drawn video game protagonists for every year since 1979 or something like that.
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Jun 28, 2015 19:16
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Unfunny Poster posted:She and Macintosh are bad at video production. That's my chief criticism of their work. They seem well-lit and shot clearly. The sound is better than most videos on youtube. What's the problem?
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BexGu posted:That probably has more to do with the limited technology for graphics at the time more than anything else. (You can only do so much with 8-bit and below graphics). But really there where ALOT of Buff Dudes Saves the World game back then with the protagonist being a ripping off the likeness of Schwarzenegger/Stallone/Van Damme. Video Games are a business and what sales the most with the most appeal is what is going to be produced the most so its not surprising that as graphics improved it would even more so more towards the Hollywood ideal. Now the nice thing is that the amount of money video games generates (and the audience who plays them) allows for niche/lower cost products to be produced outside the standard Producer/Big Development house budget games so the non-standard buff white dude saves world can be made with a successful release. If the technology had been there earlier in the 80s there would have been 10 million conan games. Already there were tons of side scrollers aping it and whichever action movies came about at the time. Yes, Doom, System Shock, etc. were well known, but most of the games then that were action games tended to be stuff like Body Count or various licensed/thinly veiled side scrollers, etc. Duke Nukem was just one of the most successful of said games. You can see it in other genres, too, like the beat 'em up. Vendetta, for example, has quite literally Hulk Hogan, Mr. T, JCVD, and Mike Tyson. It's not a new thing. Video games have always kind of aped whichever action movie was popular at the time, from Duke Nukem, to Max Payne to Call of Duty.
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Jun 28, 2015 19:18
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Well most early games from japan was localized to hide it Japanese style to appeal to Americans more. his was mostly dropped around the late 90's.
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Mcintosh's indictment of Doom 4's violence came across as a shameless chasing of whatever is currently in the headlines. Doom 4's violence is tame, and the most offensive things about it are its bland gameplay and art design. Cinematic takedowns, limp weapon sounds, moves slower than Call of Duty even when the hype-men talk up the importance of the game being fast etc. So McIntosh acting like a bunch of die-hard-Bethesda-fanboys in the audience getting excited is the sign of some sort of moral quandry is really absurd.
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VideoGames posted:smdh. he sounds insufferable. You took the word out of my mouth
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The Droid posted:Mcintosh's indictment of Doom 4's violence came across as a shameless chasing of whatever is currently in the headlines. Doom 4's violence is tame, and the most offensive things about it are its bland gameplay and art design. Cinematic takedowns, limp weapon sounds, moves slower than Call of Duty even when the hype-men talk up the importance of the game being fast etc. So McIntosh acting like a bunch of die-hard-Bethesda-fanboys in the audience getting excited is the sign of some sort of moral quandry is really absurd. He probably is- and I don't think Bethesda really cares. If Doom 4 ended up being controversial it would probably be a good thing for them anyway. It's just getting more eyes on the game.
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Parrotine posted:So somebody clue me in on what Yatzee has (if anything) to do with Gamergate? Some doofs on another forum keep using GG as a gateway to attack him for his video reviews with maximum nerd rage, but whenever I ask they don't bother to elaborate on what he has to do with it? Did he say something dumb or is this just dorks using rumors to attack the dude for other reasons? Back in January a bunch of people were laid off because of their general stupidity on social media. The Movieblob and others like him were fired from the Escapist (from a cannon) but Yahtzee was not. Thats basically the entire reason people flipped their lids over him: he's a "jerk" and still employed.
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Panzeh posted:He probably is- and I don't think Bethesda really cares. If Doom 4 ended up being controversial it would probably be a good thing for them anyway. It's just getting more eyes on the game. The big thing now has become people calling to have someone from the Doom dev team fired because he literally laughed in McIntosh's dumb twitter face.
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Jack Gladney posted:They seem well-lit and shot clearly. The sound is better than most videos on youtube. What's the problem? Outside of the previously inconsistency with said output (most series try to keep themselves on a consistent schedule, yes even for YouTube), there are issues with audio peaking, white balance, tightening up the video editing more, etc. that need to be addressed. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Unfunny Poster posted:Outside of the previously mentioned poor output and inconsistency with said output (most series try to keep themselves on a consistent schedule, yes even for YouTube), there are issues with audio peaking, white balance, tightening up the video editing more, etc. that need to be addressed. Are you "pro-GG"? What does GG mean to you, what does feminism mean to you?
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Back in January a bunch of people were laid off because of their general stupidity on social media. The Movieblob and others like him were fired from the Escapist (from a cannon) but Yahtzee was not. Thats basically the entire reason people flipped their lids over him: he's a "jerk" and still employed. Of course they conveniently ignore that Yahtzee is the only reason people went to escapist in the first place- even if his gg commentary was less tame he probably wouldn't have been fired. Maybe yelled at
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Cingulate posted:But basically you're saying there should be more of her, not less. I would hope 12 videos could be made in the span of two years, yes. I'm "everyone involved are pretty dumb." Some will call that GG, some will call that anti-GG. I'll let you decide which it is.
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Cingulate posted:But basically you're saying there should be more of her, not less. What does that have to do with his criticism
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Unfunny Poster posted:I'm "these people are stupid for taking video games so seriously that they're having a 'cultural war' over them." Take that as you will. I like Anita because she said she doesn't play video games. I think. memy posted:What does that have to do with his criticism
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:The big thing now has become people calling to have someone from the Doom dev team fired because he literally laughed in McIntosh's dumb twitter face. And Bethesda told them to gently caress off, but it sure got people talkin' about Doom 4 after a pretty underwhelming preview. Yahtzee is probably still with Escapist because he gets the views.
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memy posted:Of course they conveniently ignore that Yahtzee is the only reason people went to escapist in the first place- even if his gg commentary was less tame he probably wouldn't have been fired. Maybe yelled at The gist of yahtzees criticism has been "if someone calls you a mean name over your toys, just laugh at them" which is pretty accurate and wouldve saved people a lot of time / sanity.
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Panzeh posted:And Bethesda told them to gently caress off, but it sure got people talkin' about Doom 4 after a pretty underwhelming preview. The entire reason the game Hatred sold so well was the concentrated smear campaign to label it "a murder sim for murdering murderers," and I don't think they were being ironic about it. Funny how that worked out.
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^ Polygon wrote 10+ articles about how terrible Hatred is for being "hyper-violent" and that you shouldn't play it. I also clarified which camp I'm in since there are some cases where people legitimate should take video games (as an industry) seriously to comment on and criticize bad behaviors (eg. Jim Sterling ranting about lovely business practices, people criticizing the writing behaviors of studios to be more inclusive etc.).
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:The entire reason the game Hatred sold so well was the concentrated smear campaign to label it "a murder sim for murdering murderers," and I don't think they were being ironic about it.
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Unfunny Poster posted:I clarified which camp I'm in since
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Cingulate posted:I thought you did that cause I asked you to? I was more so referring to the difference between the last post you quoted and the edit I made to it after you quoted it.
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Cingulate posted:Gamers were tricked out of their money while thinking they won, capitalism actually won. All according to the plan. “The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind.” -HP Lovecraft quote:^ Polygon wrote 10+ articles about how terrible Hatred is for being "hyper-violent" and that you shouldn't play it. Between that and their "preview" of rock band 4 I don't think they'll be doing video game things for much longer.
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