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ZenVulgarity posted:This is what I'm reading from the opinion as well It doesn't really matter since that same argument could be used to argue against proper disposal or cleanup. This is a major hit and the EPA is even more defanged because of it.
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Fried Chicken posted:Sotomayor compared lethal injection to being burned alive in hers, and now Scalia is reading a concurrence to rebut Breyer's reading of his (Breyer's) dissent God I hope this court ends up having a fist fight just to hear about RBG decking someone with a chair.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:God I hope this court ends up having a fist fight just to hear about RBG decking someone with a chair. The court doesn't get in fights any more ever since RBG choked Scalia and Thomas out at the same time once.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:24
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CommieGIR posted:It doesn't really matter since that same argument could be used to argue against proper disposal or cleanup. As I read the syllabus, it seemed like the issue wasn't as much that the costs were onerous (although it didn't help that the CBA sucked), but rather that they did the study after they issued the rule?
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Jun 29, 2015 16:25
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Raskolnikov38 posted:God I hope this court ends up having a fist fight just to hear about RBG decking someone with a chair. Life imitates art sometimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyph_DZa_GQ
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pugnax posted:As I read the syllabus, it seemed like the issue wasn't as much that the costs were onerous (although it didn't help that the CBA sucked), but rather that they did the study after they issued the rule? The problem being that they are arguing that regulations cannot inhibit profit, which is a major issue as a lot of waste/pollution is directly traceable to trimming the bottom line. Its all the more reason privatizing power generation has been such a stupid idea, because for-profit companies are not willing to deal with the needed regulation to ensure a clean, efficient burn.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:28
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CommieGIR posted:The problem being that they are arguing that regulations cannot inhibit profit, which is a major issue as a lot of waste/pollution is directly traceable to trimming the bottom line. And the regulators are allowed to argue that the cost from regulation is smaller than the cost to public health and the like.
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CommieGIR posted:The problem being that they are arguing that regulations cannot inhibit profit, which is a major issue as a lot of waste/pollution is directly traceable to trimming the bottom line. Just wait until they privatize your weed! Really all this poo poo just makes me want nuclear. Pretty easy to get the point across with safe nuclear: radiation! Bad! Oh on the cost vs health thing: that's exactly how I sell safety improvements to management. It works maybe 2/3 of the time with an itemized budget.
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Optimus Subprime posted:The death penalty ruling is pretty awful. I'd take a guillotine over those drugs if I was to be executed. The result seems to be directly the fault of the idiots bringing the case. They didn't care about the issue actually being argued (they obviously didn't care whether or not the drugs were cruel and unusual punishment), but were using it as an excuse to try to argue something completely different that the law didn't support (they just wanted the execution stopped full stop), and that unsurprisingly lead to the lovely conclusion we got.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:32
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DemeaninDemon posted:Just wait until they privatize your weed! a harder sell them you would think
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Jun 29, 2015 16:37
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I thought that was a Green Party dude until I re-read the first paragraph.
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CommieGIR posted:The problem being that they are arguing that regulations cannot inhibit profit, which is a major issue as a lot of waste/pollution is directly traceable to trimming the bottom line. That's also not what the case said.
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.....what an idiot. Kalman posted:That's also not what the case said. quote:The question was whether the EPA should have considered the cost of compliance when deciding to regulate pollutants. Industry groups and some states challenged the regulation to limit emissions of mercury and other hazardous pollutants, claiming costs of up to $9.6 billion. No, that is basically what they said. The Coal Companies are arguing that it unfairly saddles them with higher costs in order to scrub mercury to meet regulation.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:42
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CommieGIR posted:
Yeah and now the EPA just has to say that it costs the public more to keep your coal plants running and shut them down anyway.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:44
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Cruz continues to be the dog scooting his rear end across McConnell's floor
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CommieGIR posted:.....what an idiot. And the court said "and the EPA has to take that into account when deciding whether to regulate, not just in how to regulate." Not that it's a controlling consideration, just that they have to address it in the early stages. They already had to address it in the ultimate decision, so it doesn't affect the ultimate scope of regulation. It's a long way from "can regulate if it affects profits."
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Yeah, the claim that McConnell told him the NRSC wouldn't fund incumbents is... hard to believe. Cruz is also fighting with Karl Rove right now over stories he published in his book, the more-amusingly-titled-by-the-hour A Time for Truth, concerning fundraising in the 2009 Texas AG race and has started publishing selected emails between himself and Rove.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:54
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What a perfect example of what a PhD does to someone: become so loving awesome at one, narrow topic that one becomes a complete idiot in everything else.
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Jun 29, 2015 17:01
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Puerto Rico is going broke:quote:With two days left in Puerto Rico’s fiscal year, the cash-strapped commonwealth is struggling to pass a budget that would allow it to make payments on a $72 billion debt load that the island’s governor said is unsustainable.
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Jun 29, 2015 17:05
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Is Gary Peters cool? I call upon the goons of Michigan to riddle this.
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Jun 29, 2015 17:11
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DemeaninDemon posted:What a perfect example of what a PhD does to someone: become so loving awesome at one, narrow topic that one becomes a complete idiot in everything else. To be clear, the idea would work, it just wouldn't be very popular. You can grind up nuclear waste into pieces too small to be dangerous.
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If he's going to keep this up, I hope he stays in the Senate forever and continues to drive the GOP insane.
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Jun 29, 2015 17:12
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Sir Tonk posted:If he's going to keep this up, I hope he stays in the Senate forever and continues to drive the GOP insane. I'd be ok with this minor annoyance in that it'd drive the GOP even more nuts. Let Cruz be the pebble in the GOPs shoe, a constant reminder of the monster they helped create.
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Jun 29, 2015 17:14
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How the hell did 3.5 million people run up a $72 billion dollar debt?
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This whole island is hosed and needs to burnt down and rebuilt from the foundation because there's so much wrong with it and it's never getting fixed. Zeroisanumber posted:How the hell did 3.5 million people run up a $72 billion dollar debt? The smart people get the gently caress out of the island as soon as possible. Happy Noodle Boy fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Chantilly Say posted:To be clear, the idea would work, it just wouldn't be very popular. You can grind up nuclear waste into pieces too small to be dangerous. Except he further goes onto claim the homeopathic radioactive waste would cure disease by turning us all into mutants. Like right out of a comic book.
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They still use oil to generate electricity. My old job focused on them and my final recommendation to my employers was "Get out while you still can".
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Chantilly Say posted:To be clear, the idea would work, it just wouldn't be very popular. You can grind up nuclear waste into pieces too small to be dangerous. Try inhaling alpha particles for a while, let me know how safe that turns out to be
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Chantilly Say posted:To be clear, the idea would work, it just wouldn't be very popular. You can grind up nuclear waste into pieces too small to be dangerous. No, that guy is crazy: quote:On nuclear waste: "All we need do with nuclear waste is dilute it to a low radiation level and sprinkle it over the ocean—or even over America after hormesis is better understood and verified with respect to more diseases." And: "If we could use it to enhance our own drinking water here in Oregon, where background radiation is low, it would hormetically enhance our resistance to degenerative diseases. Alas, this would be against the law." Like, this guy is the remaining target audience for the Revigator
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Chantilly Say posted:To be clear, the idea would work, it just wouldn't be very popular. You can grind up nuclear waste into pieces too small to be dangerous.  Its a terrible idea.
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Zeroisanumber posted:How the hell did 3.5 million people run up a $72 billion dollar debt? They got hosed: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/28/puerto-rico-debt-unemployment
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CommieGIR posted:
It's also one that's basically been tried. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_disposal_of_radioactive_waste
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CommieGIR posted:
It's a fundamental misunderstanding. You can sufficiently dilute nuclear waste to the point of making negligible against existing background levels. You cannot "grind it up to make it go away". Grinding it up makes it harder to handle, and you can't just break it apart and have it stop emitting. If I smash a point source in two I now have two point sources with a greater total emitting area (never mind the stuff broken off as I split it), not two safe pieces of metal.
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Fried Chicken posted:Try inhaling alpha particles for a while, let me know how safe that turns out to be Diffusing radioactive materials into the environment is stupid as hell but your body ingests a couple of alpha emitters every day.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Diffusing radioactive materials into the environment is stupid as hell but your body ingests a couple of alpha emitters every day. I'm aware, my point was that "grinding material down" doesn't help since getting it down to its smallest particulate level is even more dangerous
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Seems to me that the biggest arguments against just burying nuclear waste in secure bunkers involve harms to a hypothetical race of post apocalyptic humans 10k years hence.
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Zeroisanumber posted:How the hell did 3.5 million people run up a $72 billion dollar debt? well you see, if you cut taxes you will surely have massive business growth. oh wait now we have the same poo poo business growth and no money to pay for services so we issue bonds but havent solved the problem.
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Fried Chicken posted:It's a fundamental misunderstanding. You can sufficiently dilute nuclear waste to the point of making negligible against existing background levels. You cannot "grind it up to make it go away". Grinding it up makes it harder to handle, and you can't just break it apart and have it stop emitting. If I smash a point source in two I now have two point sources with a greater total emitting area (never mind the stuff broken off as I split it), not two safe pieces of metal. Grinding up metals also makes for a nice, explosive powder.
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zoux posted:Seems to me that the biggest arguments against just burying nuclear waste in secure bunkers involve harms to a hypothetical race of post apocalyptic humans 10k years hence. Which is stupid as hell since the most radioactive poo poo is mostly cool in a little over a century.
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