Radish posted:

All combats are resolved by smacking the models together and making *pew pew* or *shcraaah!* noises. The one that breaks first is the loser and then you re-buy the busted model.

Business Gorillas posted:

would you like to buy one of our GREYPLASTIC BATTLESMASHERS for $49.99?

Business Gorillas posted:

ps this is how i imagine 40k is actually played

Moola posted:

*begins burning and making GBS threads on design documents, in that order*

Rulebook Heavily posted:

I'm gonna go ahead and guess third quarter of 2015, so... 15th September 2015 will see a major part of the company die out in some capacity.

Soulfucker posted:

Are you a GW rules designer???

berzerkmonkey posted:

It will be bullshit. Everything is guesses or unfounded rumors until GW sends out the info to retailers.

Moola posted:

Business Gorillas posted:

ps this is how i imagine 40k is actually played

FrostyPox posted:

I'd like it to be good, but I know it won't be.

Crackbone posted:

If there are no points have they just thrown out any pretense of balance?

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I have touched the promo set. I have seen it. It is real. Here's what I know.

- you do not need to re-base your armies. Bases have one function only; to make your model stand up. All measurement is done from the model itself. A wing, a horn, the very tip of a sword sticking out...doesn't matter. If you want to re-base your army, stick your models on tiny weights so you can group them up as tightly as possible. Why? Because each model now fights against any model in a 360 degree arc that is up to 3" away.

- army books are gone but the new rules are free. And not just the rules but the rules for EVERY FANTASY MODEL GW CURRENTLY SELLS. So you're going to want to buy a printer because each unit comes with it's own card. The old stats are gone and have now been replaced with the cards. Whether a Human swings at a Dragon, a Steam Tank, or a Zombie, he hits on a 4+. Zombies however are easy to hit so on the Zombie card they might have a rule that anything swinging at them gets +1 to hit so the Human would then hit on a 3+. However when the Human swings on a Chaos Warrior, he may hit on a 4+ but because of their armor, he may be -1 to wound them. Every unit has its own cards (I now understand why this is a low model count game). You can now field anything from any army. If you want an army to consist of warp lightning cannons led by a Wood Elf on a dragon, knock yourself out. But the minimum unit size is whatever was sold in the box. Witch Elves are sold in boxes of 10 so that is their minimum unit size. Only 1 Screaming Bell comes in a box so minimum unit size is 1. There are no maximum unit sizes. Weapon specifications also come on the cards. Elvish archers have a bow, it shoots 24" and always hits on a 4+ for example. Orcs have Choppas that give +1 to wound on the charge. It's all on the cards themselves which is why the rules pack is so small.

- Brettonians and Beastmen still exist. There are cards for EVERY model.

- Whatever your units used to do, it has all changed. It might be the same. But it probably isn't.

- Wizards have cards just like everyone else. But they list the spells they can cast. So magic does exist. A Goblin Shaman casts different spells than a Necromancer.

- This game cannot be used for tournament play. When Player A achieves one of a handful of victory objectives (like killing Player B's General), Player B then gets a "hail mary" shot where they can specify a particular condition they have to meet and if they do it, they win. For example, Player A kills Player B's General. Player B picks the option to kill player A's General within a single turn. If he does it, Player B wins. If not, Player A wins. It's like adding weights to the winner to make his actual winning more difficult.

And then we run into the real problems. I am going to guess that the geniuses at GW did not bother to playtest the game because I saw no rules for fielding armies. Just show up, put down some models.
"I brought 39 Skaven Slaves led by an Ogre. What did you bring?"
"I brought 40 Star Dragons."

WTF?! There is no points system? Like...none?!?!?! Just throw some **** on the table and start rolling dice?! Are you freaking kidding me??????? Ok, I get that you can now buy a box of anything and you can play. They figured out a way to beat the high entrance cost of the game. But...words fail me at the stupidity of the game. In its current release form, it is completely unplayable. In absolutely no way do I see how this could be even fun as it is. Without some kind of balance, there is no game. Now the rules are free and in theory they could update them at any time with point costs. And if that happens instantaneously, great! But IMHO the folks at GW needed to get it right and in the beginning or there will just be an exodus of players. If they fix this 3 months from now, people will have found a new game they like and not bother with the train wreck this looks to be. I would guess they have 30 days to fix it or their fantasy product is done.

#8theditionforever

Daedleh posted:

holy poo poo that sounds terrible.

A "pointless" system would be an interesting one, and one that I've put a lot of thought into for house rules, but that would be based on every single unit being roughly equal in power (so a space marine might be twice as good as an Ork, but a space marine unit has 5 models while the Orks get 10). No upper limit to unit sizes, and from the looks of it no equal minimum unit sizes (orcs sold in boxes of 10, so are witch elves...) so yeah that's pretty hosed.

The Hail Mary thing honestly sounds like the worst rule I've ever read in a wargame without exaggeration.

Ashcans posted:

The last time I played 40k at a game store it was against a guy who would throw up his arm and make ricochet noises whenever he made an armor save. Like miming a shield and going 'ka-ping' and stuff. Every save.

Thirsty Dog posted:

You can look at the screenshots for confirmation of the "just bring whatever" aspect of it.

Business Gorillas posted:

yeah there's pics in the fantasy thread of rules now

BULBASAUR posted:

all you nerds saying that unbound was a good thing, this is what your slippery slope has resulted in

bask in the putrid stench of your own misery

BULBASAUR posted:

all you nerds saying that unbound was a good thing, this is what your slippery slope has resulted in

bask in the putrid stench of your own misery

BULBASAUR posted:

all you nerds saying that unbound was a good thing, this is what your slippery slope has resulted in

bask in the putrid stench of your own misery

Nebalebadingdong posted:

unbound is Good

BULBASAUR posted:

wrong wrong wrong

fantasy rules are much better, because you can bring whatever you want and there are no point limits either

Nebalebadingdong posted:

actually, it is Very Good