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afeelgoodpoop posted:Their is a cabal of feminists who want to get other feminists power in the games industry. as powerful critics, or pushing narratives through journalism. Cabal means in secret though right? idk about that. They document most of their meetings and discussions, including one with a mixture of academics and lefty indie devs poo poo talking anita and calling her a disappointment. Lol. Why in the world would you save that transcript and put it on your site? Can you provide some evidence towards any of these claims? Can you explain what this has to do with Zoe Quinn, Eron Gjoni, and ethics in video game journalism that GamerGate was started over?
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Their is a cabal of feminists who want to get other feminists power in the games industry. as powerful critics, or pushing narratives through journalism. Cabal means in secret though right? idk about that. They document most of their meetings and discussions, including one with a mixture of academics and lefty indie devs poo poo talking anita and calling her a disappointment. Lol. Why in the world would you save that transcript and put it on your site? This Is What Gamers Actually Believe.
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afeelgoodpoop posted:It's an academic/journalist attempt at painting gamers as misogynist to bolster the power of their ideological fellows in the medium. It is a conspiracy, it is over videogames, its stalinist as gently caress and that is very very funny Conspiracy is very difficult to prove, and always the least likely explanation. Isn't it much more plausible that people have a grievance, whether it's legitimate or not? If they do, have a grievance, isn't banding together for the redress of that grievance natural and normal, and not a 'conspiracy'. And what is Stalinist about it? There are no show trials, no sudden knocks on the door in the middle of the night. Just exchanges of radically different views (e.g. something v. un-Stalinist).
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Unfunny Poster posted:I'll be honest, I didn't read it. So, to clarify further, he was at his job modding a game he was supposed to be working on so his kid could play that game in his office where he was supposed to be working on the unmodded game? That seems sorta strange but different strokes for different folks I guess. Kid played with her toys while Daddy was working and because he doesn't want his young daughter to see/hear blood, screams of anguish and death he used a hardware switch to mod out all guns, blood and sounds.
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Jun 30, 2015 02:58
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Their is a cabal of feminists who want to get other feminists power in the games industry. as powerful critics, or pushing narratives through journalism. Cabal means in secret though right? idk about that. They document most of their meetings and discussions, including one with a mixture of academics and lefty indie devs poo poo talking anita and calling her a disappointment. Lol. Why in the world would you save that transcript and put it on your site? Someone's got to stand up for the people who want more anime tittays in their video games. Also most healthy people can take someone taking a jab at them in stride, get a good laugh, have some self-awareness.
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If a group of people working together for a common purpose is a conspiracy then every political movement ever is a conspiracy, as are your local PTA meetings.
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hwordhan posted:Kid played with her toys while Daddy was working and because he doesn't want his young daughter to see/hear blood, screams of anguish and death he used a hardware switch to mod out all guns, blood and sounds. Sounds like that office could have done with a daycare center.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Old but relevant: Every study paints this as the case. US government tried tying everything from Rap to rock to hardcore pornography for half a century to psychological effects on those who partake in it. I found someone who disagrees  Also, I don't feel art is trivial. Art isn't supposed to alter your behavior or enslave you or anything. Though some people in the past did believe art enslaved you and was very dangerous. Art is supposed to evoke an empathetic response and sometimes make you think about the human condition. What hasn't ever been proven is whether the surface meaning of media translates to long term, unconscious behaviors (play a violent video game, become violent. Watch a pornographic movie, become a sex crazed rapist. Read a comic book and become a degenerate). It may change your attitudes about certain things by making you think about them, but there is no evidence that they affect long-term unconscious behaviors. I mean obviously with young children you need to be careful what you expose them to and if you don't, something like this happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlD9JYP8u5E Unfunny Poster posted:Question for the people upset about the censorship stuff. Do you think it's censorship if your local store (eg. Walmart, Target, GameStop etc.) stop selling Rated M games because of (insert company's rationale here)? Of course. If you deny the major outlets of sale, you deny the majority of the population access to it. A lot of people don't have the bandwidth for digital downloads. And I don't think so. There should be adult channels indicated as well.
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Jun 30, 2015 03:01
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Panzeh posted:Someone's got to stand up for the people who want more anime tittays in their video games. If all GamerGate wants is more anime titties in videogames, they're doing a really terrible job of expressing it.
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Disinterested posted:If a group of people working together for a common purpose is a conspiracy then every political movement ever is a conspiracy, as are your local PTA meetings. GamerGate itself would also be a conspiracy.
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Jun 30, 2015 03:02
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Disinterested posted:If a group of people working together for a common purpose is a conspiracy then every political movement ever is a conspiracy, as are your local PTA meetings. Seriously. Conspiracy is a criminal offense, so it has a very clear definition: an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future. If no one is doing anything illegal, then it isn't a conspiracy. It's not that hard to understand.
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Panzeh posted:Also most healthy people can take someone taking a jab at them in stride, get a good laugh, have some self-awareness. A games journalist left twitter because people said his Witcher 3 article was terrible.
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Unfunny Poster posted:GamerGate itself would also be a conspiracy. Gamergate was a false flag attack. 
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circ dick soleil posted:If all GamerGate wants is more anime titties in videogames, they're doing a really terrible job of expressing it. Did you see the play records on Huniepop?
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why does everyone love talking about this so much? btw i was silenced for calling out racism itt #wow (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 30, 2015 03:06
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Dapper Dan posted:Of course. If you deny the major outlets of sale, you deny the majority of the population access to it. A lot of people don't have the bandwidth for digital downloads. What prohibits the consumer from accessing the sale of the product from a competing store though? In the case of Apple banning the Civil War Strategy Games, most people who didn't over react went "Oh well, Apple is dumb for that but I can get most of those games elsewhere and Apple loses out on that income." You can flag your channel for "Mature" content, but that mostly relates to language, and the occasional nudity shown in some M Rated games. AO games are, under Twitch's policies, not permitted to be streamed.
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Dapper Dan posted:Also, I don't feel art is trivial. I meant solely in the grand scheme of things and the effect they have on human behavior. I.E The Wire might be good and started a conversation about the Drug War but lol actual grass roots activism was vastly more important. Unfunny Poster posted:In the case of Apple banning the Civil War Strategy Games, most people who didn't over react went "Oh well, Apple is dumb for that but I can get most of those games elsewhere and Apple loses out on that income." Apple reinstated the games over that dumb outrage. Also Apple is one of the biggest storefronts in digital management, and it looked like Google/Amazon were heading down the same route before they took a step back and realized what they were doing. NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 03:07
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Unfunny Poster posted:Can you provide some evidence towards any of these claims?
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afeelgoodpoop posted:It was part of the fun digging expedition in the beginning two months connecting all the journalist, indie devs, and the connections between the gamers are dead article narratives. so you had fun constructing an elaborate conspiracy theory that demonstrates cultural marxists and feminists are trying to murder gaming? and you expect people to take you more seriously after you admit this?
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Zeitgueist posted:Gamergate was a false flag attack. Like all those murders and human right abuses in those Chinese factories?
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INH5 posted:Seriously. Conspiracy is a criminal offense, so it has a very clear definition: an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future. If no one is doing anything illegal, then it isn't a conspiracy. It's not that hard to understand. death threats and harassment are illegal. do you think it is legal anywhere in the united states to call someone on the telephone and threaten to murder them?
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Did you see the play records on Huniepop? Huniepop sold over a hundred thousand copies on steam and made that dude a couple of million. lol.
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THC posted:Not true, I've seen it used by MRAs. I haven't heard of Christina Sommers, but I assumed "equity feminists" referred to the old difference between equity and equality.
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Even if I were to stipulate that it was the case that a number of individuals had agreed together to discreetly to push a feminist agenda in gaming, what would be inherently bad about that? Of course, believing in conspiracy theories is pointless, but even if we accept this crazy narrative is true - so?
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afeelgoodpoop posted:It was part of the fun digging expedition in the beginning two months connecting all the journalist, indie devs, and the connections between the gamers are dead article narratives. The great thing is that people on the internet got so bent out of shape about those kinds of articles that they decided to launch an investigation.
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afeelgoodpoop posted:It was part of the fun digging expedition in the beginning two months connecting all the journalist, indie devs, and the connections between the gamers are dead article narratives. That was all circumstantial "evidence" though. NutritiousSnack posted:Apple reinstated the games over that dumb outrage. Also Apple is one of the biggest storefronts in digital management, and it looked like Google/Amazon were heading down the same route before they took a step back and realized what they were doing. Where did Google/Amazon ever imply they would prohibit video games featuring the CSA battleflag in them? If they did end up doing that, what would stop the consumer going to Valve, Origin, HumbleBundle.com, GoG.com etc. or even better buying directly from the creator (like with many modern digital media products)?
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Fluo posted:Like all those murders and human right abuses in those Chinese factories? We all know China is a model of human rights and labor power. Did Gamergate discuss that?
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Did you see the play records on Huniepop? It's a good start.
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Disinterested posted:Conspiracy is very difficult to prove, and always the least likely explanation. Isn't it much more plausible that people have a grievance, whether it's legitimate or not? If they do, have a grievance, isn't banding together for the redress of that grievance natural and normal, and not a 'conspiracy'.
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Panzeh posted:The great thing is that people on the internet got so bent out of shape about those kinds of articles that they decided to launch an investigation. "these people wrote articles that said gaming culture might be toxic and hostle? bastards! we'll show them! we'll dig up every questionable statement, small ethical transgression, hell, every unpaid parking ticket these fuckers ever had so that people will take us seriously and treat us with the respect we deserve!"
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afeelgoodpoop posted:The only way feminist (and alot of leftist) commit conspiracy is by pushing alarmist half truth at best narratives to leverage off of. That's really the only sneaky thing they do, but they do say that they purposefully do this. Journalist pushing bullshit narratives like that about non political issues is really loving retarded, but since feminist love turning everything political, they justify their dishonesty as means to an end of these great evils they see like a typical dummy radical. Those dang feminists, talking about feminism. I wish those girls wouldn't talk so much.
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Zeitgueist posted:We all know China is a model of human rights and labor power. Did Gamergate discuss that? Yes, both you and Tezzor defended sweatshops when it cropped up don't you remember? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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afeelgoodpoop posted:The only way feminist (and alot of leftist) commit conspiracy is by pushing alarmist half truth at best narratives to leverage off of. That's really the only sneaky thing they do, but they do say that they purposefully do this. Journalist pushing bullshit narratives like that about non political issues is really loving retarded, but since feminist love turning everything political, they justify their dishonesty as means to an end of these great evils they see like a typical dummy radical. so, why do you dislike that feminists use their free speech? why are you trying to censor them?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:death threats and harassment are illegal. do you think it is legal anywhere in the united states to call someone on the telephone and threaten to murder them? Which is why the FBI busted GamerGate and hit them with a RICO charge, and seized their websites were they planned illegal activity.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:death threats and harassment are illegal. do you think it is legal anywhere in the united states to call someone on the telephone and threaten to murder them? I was responding to a guy saying that there was a feminist conspiracy in video game journalism. I was arguing on behalf your side for once.
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Panzeh posted:The great thing is that people on the internet got so bent out of shape about those kinds of articles that they decided to launch an investigation. I don't want to be the one to tell you this but most of the outrage is fake or exaggerated. they're just mimicking a gamer version of an always offended sjw. Everyone I chatted with it privately was lolling over all the stuff that was getting digged up.
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Fluo posted:Yes, both you and Tezzor defended sweatshops when it cropped up don't you remember? When was this, 2005? Sweatshops are pretty abhorrent.
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Unfunny Poster posted:That was all circumstantial "evidence" though. Amazon began pulling educational historical boardgames when the first initial wave after the shooting happened.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Which is why the FBI busted GamerGate and hit them with a RICO charge, and seized their websites were they planned illegal activity. criminals who haven't been caught yet: not really criminals according to one local goon INH5 posted:I was responding to a guy saying that there was a feminist conspiracy in video game journalism. I was arguing on behalf your side for once. you did say GG didn't do anything illegal. they organized a harassment campaign, in secret. that is a conspiracy to commit crimes
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Popular Thug Drink posted:so, why do you dislike that feminists use their free speech? why are you trying to censor them? I'm extremely ignorant but I'm pretty sure their's laws against non-fiction journalist pushing bs as fact.
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