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Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

FriggenJ posted:

Dropped this one VERY quickly. One of the main characters is a 11 year old slave who wants to jump the main character's bones in EVERY chapter. It's really gross.

It was going somewhat well until that point too. A shame. I kept going because I have terrible taste and a high tolerance for stupid poo poo and he sleeps with a prostitute a few chapters after that.


Destruction Flag Otome isn't terrible though, at least not yet (and that's about as much praise as you can give most of these). It's about a girl who gets reincarnated as a really petty rival character in an Otome game who gets a really bad end no matter which route the heroine takes. By not being a terrible person everything changes. There's a story with a similar premise that I haven't gotten around to here.

Most of these WNs have a good idea or two but drop the ball very quickly. The writers just aren't competent and most of these would be better off if they kept their length down to one or two LN's worth of content rather than trying to make a long series with no direction. The most common trap is probably just introducing too many characters. I dropped shield hero during the village arc when there were like 15 or so named characters actively participating in the story that I didn't care about and couldn't keep straight.

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BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
I dunno, Only Sense has basically no major plot beyond "a bunch of people are playing a game" and I like it well enough. Though that might be because every other LN with this concept inevitably ditches the game part and makes everything deathly serious.

Incidentally, volume 5 of Only Sense has been mostly translated at this point.

FriggenJ
Oct 23, 2000

Desuwa posted:

Most of these WNs have a good idea or two but drop the ball very quickly. The writers just aren't competent and most of these would be better off if they kept their length down to one or two LN's worth of content rather than trying to make a long series with no direction. The most common trap is probably just introducing too many characters. I dropped shield hero during the village arc when there were like 15 or so named characters actively participating in the story that I didn't care about and couldn't keep straight.
I think it's a Japanese LN problem. Although there can be a lot of bullshit in Chinese Wuxia/Xanxia I've found a MUCH better signal to noise ratio there.

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!
I feel like half of these could save two volumes in aggregate if they just cut out the boilerplate adventurer's guild explanations.

None of them have anything to add to the concept, at all. Every paragraph that talks about one could be replaced by single lines.

"I joined the adventurer's guild to get an ID card [because a pseudo-medieval society has really anal TSA agents at every entrance to every city]."

"My rank went up because I'm not an incompetent!"

"I got the super god rank that only one person in history ever got and was verbally fellated by every named woman little girl in the city." (this one saves half a volume of copy and pasted text on its own)

I should catch up on OSO, it's pretty chill.

jwang
Mar 31, 2013
OSO 5 has finished being translated. We have IMBA PVP, lovely raid drops, and terribly planned events. Fire the devs and rework the whole thing from the ground up!

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
So I was clicking on random poo poo from aho updates, and I found this: https://lygartranslations.wordpress.com/novels/himekishi-ga-classmate/

What the loving gently caress gently caress. I really didn't expect something titled as innocuously as "My classmate is a princess knight" to have such a remarkably vile premise.

Gearhead
Feb 13, 2007
The Metroid of Humor

Serious Frolicking posted:

So I was clicking on random poo poo from aho updates, and I found this: https://lygartranslations.wordpress.com/novels/himekishi-ga-classmate/

What the loving gently caress gently caress. I really didn't expect something titled as innocuously as "My classmate is a princess knight" to have such a remarkably vile premise.

More horrifying is that this is getting TRACTION and has a comic in Comic Valkyrie.

darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!
I need to confess that I've been reading World Teacher (13 volumes) and Konjiki no Wordmaster (2 volumes), and they're pretty bad. A step up from Arifureta, but still hopelessly in the "Look at me, I'm so perfect and awesome that it hurts" swamp. Tragically, all three titles mentioned are also being published in a paper format. Maybe the editors can save them.

What am I doing with my life? :unsmith:

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I'm reading bakatest which is ok despite the quality of bakatsuki translations

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
I seem to remember someone mentioning a story where a common soldier dies and gets sent back in time, but his only advantage is how military technology progressed over the course of a huge fantasy war. Anyone remember what that was called?

jwang
Mar 31, 2013

Serious Frolicking posted:

So I was clicking on random poo poo from aho updates, and I found this: https://lygartranslations.wordpress.com/novels/himekishi-ga-classmate/

What the loving gently caress gently caress. I really didn't expect something titled as innocuously as "My classmate is a princess knight" to have such a remarkably vile premise.

Goddammit Japan. Why don't you focus those deviant thoughts into something more productive, like producing the next generation. Instead we get crazy poo poo like this and tentacle porn. Goddammit. As terrible as Mahouka might have been, it was mostly on execution of plot rather than premise. This fails to even cross the "maybe I'll read more than the summary" hurdle. It probably would get a glance just to see what kind of depravity it sinks to, but that can be done by reading a synopsis by someone more depraved or curious.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

maybe don't scrape the absolute bottom of the barrel if you don't want to read crap

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

jwang posted:

Goddammit Japan. Why don't you focus those deviant thoughts into something more productive, like producing the next generation. Instead we get crazy poo poo like this and tentacle porn. Goddammit. As terrible as Mahouka might have been, it was mostly on execution of plot rather than premise. This fails to even cross the "maybe I'll read more than the summary" hurdle. It probably would get a glance just to see what kind of depravity it sinks to, but that can be done by reading a synopsis by someone more depraved or curious.
you're weird, dude

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Goddammit ADTRW. Why don't you focus those deviant thoughts into something more productive, like producing the next generation.

Jostiband
May 7, 2007

Girls are gross and icky though

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
This slavery fetish fad is gross as hell, but it won't actually affect real women. At most, someone might make some money off of these pathetic delusions.

Also, japan's negative population growth is due to a combination of hosed up social pressures. Otaku aren't nearly numerous enough to affect the population much one way or another.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

'fad?'

also women can have weird fetishes too

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Endorph posted:

'fad?'

also women can have weird fetishes too

It shows up a lot in web novels lately, which then become light novels or manga, which could in theory become an anime given enough time. Or it could simply never attain any mass appeal, I dunno. It isn't like I'm an expert on the subject, but in general I believe that you should never bet on people having good taste.

I don't believe I ever said that women couldn't have disgusting fetishes. There has long been a tiny population of people who dedicate their lives to slave roleplaying. For example, goreans (whipcrack) at one point included plenty of doughy middle aged white women. But lol if you expect otaku to do anything involving the real world.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Endorph posted:

'fad?'

also women can have weird fetishes too

women aren't people dumbo

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I read a volume of death March and it was bad, unless skill points turn you on

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Namtab posted:

I read a volume of death March and it was bad, unless skill points turn you on
*ears perk up*

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

This seems like the place to ask, so:

does Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere make a lick of goddamned sense in the original novel?

rvm
May 6, 2013

Rangpur posted:

This seems like the place to ask, so:

does Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere make a lick of goddamned sense in the original novel?

It has by far the most convoluted setting of anything I've ever seen in any form of media and those in the know claim that it's even more complicated in the novels with shoddy fan translation to boot, so good luck with that.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

Rangpur posted:

This seems like the place to ask, so:

does Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere make a lick of goddamned sense in the original novel?
I haven't read the novels (and don't intend to), but I can concur that the anime was breathtaking in its incoherence.

Chalupa Picada
Jan 13, 2009

it was also real loving boring

like couldn't sit through one episode dull

buzmeg
Jul 8, 2004
The Megg of Buzz

Endorph posted:

also women can have weird fetishes too


Too much shoujou: "But I know he loves me, that's why he abuses me."

buzmeg
Jul 8, 2004
The Megg of Buzz

darkgray posted:

It can't be discussed without spoiling the ending of the book, unfortunately.

Excerpt from my impressions elsewhere:
(Overlord vol 7 spoilers)

That makes me *more* likely to read it when I was just about to give up on it.

Actual morally ambiguous character development along reasonable lines is far superior to the normal power up/tournament/wish fullfilment garbage in the standard light novel.

Hagop
May 14, 2012

First one out of the Ranger gets a prize!

Yasser Arafatwa posted:

it was also real loving boring

like couldn't sit through one episode dull

I thought this as well, but then some goons where going on about it being the best show in some unrelated thread. So I powered through the first 3 or 4 eps and it gets good, maybe that's to strong of a word, but I ended up enjoying watching it. If you stop trying to parse the whole world setting and just focus on the story presented it gets a lot less confusing.

They only thing about the larger world you really need to understand are.

Its not really 1588, just a reconstruction of 1588 by someone whose only knowledge of history is a Civ campaign they once played.

The Japanese get shinto magic(accomplished through the use of quantum computers and nano machines) because its their racial power.

All laws are seemingly open for debate, but if you fail to justify your case breaking/changing a law the world government has you killed(unless your a minor and then they only maybe kill you).

The whole cast is high schoolers because this is an anime minor's are a lot less likely to get killed for not following the historical role play script.

Everyone hates the Japanese because they got blamed for some mistake that nearly destroyed the world, back before the world started the whole historical role play thing.

sunken fleet
Apr 25, 2010

dreams of an unchanging future,
a today like yesterday,
a tomorrow like today.
Fallen Rib

Desuwa posted:

I feel like half of these could save two volumes in aggregate if they just cut out the boilerplate adventurer's guild explanations.

None of them have anything to add to the concept, at all. Every paragraph that talks about one could be replaced by single lines.

"I joined the adventurer's guild to get an ID card [because a pseudo-medieval society has really anal TSA agents at every entrance to every city]."

"My rank went up because I'm not an incompetent!"

"I got the super god rank that only one person in history ever got and was verbally fellated by every named woman little girl in the city." (this one saves half a volume of copy and pasted text on its own)

I should catch up on OSO, it's pretty chill.

It's pretty terrible that I know exactly what you're talking about with the whole 'generic' light novel fantasy setting. The whole concept of adventurer's guilds and the like in fantasy is a bit... But then as a person who actually reads the poo poo from time to time I can't hold my nose too high. Though the one I've been reading most recently, Grimgal, has a very *unique* take on the genre while simultaneously not really stepping outside of the dumb adventurer guild and 'skills' and other bullshit tropes hardly at all. It just plays it a whole lot more seriously. I've only gotten like halfway through the first 'level' (volume? unno) and the tone gets surprisingly bleak and dark for what is typically really lighthearted fare - and not in that creepy way a lot of LNs do 'dark'. What springs to mind is in the party one guy chooses a 'death knight' class and so to advance his abilities he has to cut off ears or something ( can't remember the exact mechanic) but it has all the other characters commenting on what a loving psychopath it makes him out to be, because actually removing the ear from a corpse is a lot more hosed up than right clicking pixels or whatever. It's interesting for a light novel.

HiveCommander
Jun 19, 2012

Hagop posted:

I thought this as well, but then some goons where going on about it being the best show in some unrelated thread. So I powered through the first 3 or 4 eps and it gets good, maybe that's to strong of a word, but I ended up enjoying watching it. If you stop trying to parse the whole world setting and just focus on the story presented it gets a lot less confusing.

They only thing about the larger world you really need to understand are.

Its not really 1588, just a reconstruction of 1588 by someone whose only knowledge of history is a Civ campaign they once played.

The Japanese get shinto magic(accomplished through the use of quantum computers and nano machines) because its their racial power.

All laws are seemingly open for debate, but if you fail to justify your case breaking/changing a law the world government has you killed(unless your a minor and then they only maybe kill you).

The whole cast is high schoolers because this is an anime minor's are a lot less likely to get killed for not following the historical role play script.

Everyone hates the Japanese because they got blamed for some mistake that nearly destroyed the world, back before the world started the whole historical role play thing.

That's... actually a pretty interesting way of putting it, and kinda makes me want to finish watching the show.

Tamba
Apr 5, 2010

The Zero no Tsukaima LN will be finished:
http://www.zero-tsukaima.com/editors/

(The original author died 2 years ago)

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
So are they going to make it up as they go along or did the guy leave an outline?

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this
Apparently the author chose a successor and left notes. Makes sense, considering he knew he was likely to die anytime.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Hagop posted:

I thought this as well, but then some goons where going on about it being the best show in some unrelated thread. So I powered through the first 3 or 4 eps and it gets good, maybe that's to strong of a word, but I ended up enjoying watching it. If you stop trying to parse the whole world setting and just focus on the story presented it gets a lot less confusing.

They only thing about the larger world you really need to understand are.

Its not really 1588, just a reconstruction of 1588 by someone whose only knowledge of history is a Civ campaign they once played.

The Japanese get shinto magic(accomplished through the use of quantum computers and nano machines) because its their racial power.

All laws are seemingly open for debate, but if you fail to justify your case breaking/changing a law the world government has you killed(unless your a minor and then they only maybe kill you).

The whole cast is high schoolers because this is an anime minor's are a lot less likely to get killed for not following the historical role play script.

Everyone hates the Japanese because they got blamed for some mistake that nearly destroyed the world, back before the world started the whole historical role play thing.

See, I have no real problem with the bizarre historical reenactment thing in theory. In a ridiculously advanced society, why not do any weird poo poo that comes to mind? However, the anime eventually revealed that while they were post-history, they were not post-scarcity. They had to worry about running out of food. So while a society dedicated to historical reenactment might work when functionally infinite resources are available, it is just plain stupid with limited resources.

There is no real thought put into the setting because it is just an excuse to cram in loads of standard anime girl archetypes from a bunch of genres in with vague japanese history references.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

Serious Frolicking posted:

See, I have no real problem with the bizarre historical reenactment thing in theory. In a ridiculously advanced society, why not do any weird poo poo that comes to mind? However, the anime eventually revealed that while they were post-history, they were not post-scarcity. They had to worry about running out of food. So while a society dedicated to historical reenactment might work when functionally infinite resources are available, it is just plain stupid with limited resources.

There is no real thought put into the setting because it is just an excuse to cram in loads of standard anime girl archetypes from a bunch of genres in with vague japanese history references.
There was something having to do with two worlds and the reenactment was supposed to bridge the two together, but I could never make sense of it.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Isn't Horizon part of a shared continuity/'verse where eras come and go and people get killed in the most senseless/dumbest of ways? Or was I thinking of a different LN?

Also, holy crap are the Horizon books a chore to read through.

Gearhead
Feb 13, 2007
The Metroid of Humor

Wark Say posted:

Isn't Horizon part of a shared continuity/'verse where eras come and go and people get killed in the most senseless/dumbest of ways? Or was I thinking of a different LN?

Also, holy crap are the Horizon books a chore to read through.

It is part of a larger setting/trainwreck, yes.

Horizon is the fourth in a set of SIX different larger arcs in a common universe created by the author.. which he is writing out of order.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Gearhead posted:

It is part of a larger setting/trainwreck, yes.

Horizon is the fourth in a set of SIX different larger arcs in a common universe created by the author.. which he is writing out of order.
Ah, the suikoden approach.

Hagop
May 14, 2012

First one out of the Ranger gets a prize!

Serious Frolicking posted:

See, I have no real problem with the bizarre historical reenactment thing in theory. In a ridiculously advanced society, why not do any weird poo poo that comes to mind? However, the anime eventually revealed that while they were post-history, they were not post-scarcity. They had to worry about running out of food. So while a society dedicated to historical reenactment might work when functionally infinite resources are available, it is just plain stupid with limited resources.

There is no real thought put into the setting because it is just an excuse to cram in loads of standard anime girl archetypes from a bunch of genres in with vague japanese history references.

I read it more as they are mostly post-scarcity(energy is the only resource that matters), they are really really into the history reenactment up to and including letting people die form preventable causes because they are fairly sure the time period their currently in didn't know how to fix the problem, or was limited on a resource that would have saved the person.

Also as a larger universe note the post humans in the show are also really stupid. This whole crazy reenacted all of recorded history as best as we can thing is so that they can get back into space. A feat they clearly have the technology to accomplish, so one can only guess that they just forgot where space is.

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Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

Sinking Ship posted:

It's pretty terrible that I know exactly what you're talking about with the whole 'generic' light novel fantasy setting. The whole concept of adventurer's guilds and the like in fantasy is a bit... But then as a person who actually reads the poo poo from time to time I can't hold my nose too high. Though the one I've been reading most recently, Grimgal, has a very *unique* take on the genre while simultaneously not really stepping outside of the dumb adventurer guild and 'skills' and other bullshit tropes hardly at all. It just plays it a whole lot more seriously. I've only gotten like halfway through the first 'level' (volume? unno) and the tone gets surprisingly bleak and dark for what is typically really lighthearted fare - and not in that creepy way a lot of LNs do 'dark'. What springs to mind is in the party one guy chooses a 'death knight' class and so to advance his abilities he has to cut off ears or something ( can't remember the exact mechanic) but it has all the other characters commenting on what a loving psychopath it makes him out to be, because actually removing the ear from a corpse is a lot more hosed up than right clicking pixels or whatever. It's interesting for a light novel.

I read that and liked it.

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