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Codependent Poster posted:Am I the only one who thinks Troy Baker and Nolan North sound alike? So it's like I hear one voice all the time in games. When they're doing their standard voice yes. When I played Bioshock Infinite I just assumed it was North all the way through. However both are better and versatile than they're allowed to be. North is not only the greatest video game character ever (Richard Heck) but he puts in a really impressive performance in Spec-Ops: The Line. He goes from generic Nolan North to someone teetering over to insanity and does it really well. Baker played Pagan Min in Farcry 4 and while I don't like that game all that much he's definitely a highlight.
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ImpAtom posted:You unlock it after you finish the game. Weird. Mine shows up in the showcase but I don't have the option to make it the skin that is used. I'm playing on PS4 and I can use the '66 Batmobile no problem. It just says unavailable as far as making it the main skin I guess.
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ImpAtom posted:Troy Baker and Nolan North actually have a fair bit of variety. The problem is that they're cast in very similar roles frequently. Troy Baker is asked to play the same role, using the same voice, all the drat time. Oh yeah, I know. I just confuse them when they both use that same voice.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:34
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ImpAtom posted:You unlock it after you finish the game. Really? I finished the main story, and it says "UNAVAILABLE" on the screen where you select skins.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:36
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ImpAtom posted:Speaking of which I asked this earlier but what changes in Hush's mission if you wait to complete it until after the story. I'm assuming the game forces you to rescue Lucius at some point, otherwise he wouldn't be able to send you the new Batmobile after you rescue Oracle. Either that or Alfred does it instead
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Jun 30, 2015 17:37
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That's weird. I have it unlocked. Maybe it's something else.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:38
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Did you 100% the game? Could that be it?
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Jun 30, 2015 17:39
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I think I figured out the entire Arkham storyline from Asylum up to now. The Joker is a figment of Batman's imagination. Batman was actually The Joker the entire time and there is no Batman. The Joker dying represents the death of the series and all the bugs are actually The Joker's imaginary world crumbling around him.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:41
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Skeezy posted:Did you 100% the game? Could that be it? I also 100%'d the game and still don't have it. It could maybe be locked behind AR challenges or new story +.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:48
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I love Rocksteady, but the story in these mainline games just get worse and worse.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:55
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JT Smiley posted:I love Rocksteady, but the story in these mainline games just get worse and worse. Nah the story was bad from the beginning. Nothing in this game is worse than the video game plot fluid in Asylum.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:58
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Rocksteady games are a series of strong individual scenes when taken out of context that form a really bad plot when put together in a row. There are a lot of strong individual scenes in Knight but put together they're pretty dumb.
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Jun 30, 2015 18:00
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Broseph Brostar posted:Nah the story was bad from the beginning. Nothing in this game is worse than the video game plot fluid in Asylum. Joker Aids Not to say Asylum's story was all that great, but I'll take that Titan plot over this any day.
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Jun 30, 2015 18:01
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I'm only up to the point in the game where you go into the tunnel to try and follow the trail for Oracle's kidnapping. I'm a little disappointed though that at this point I've already figured out who Arkham Knight is, and googled it to confirm I was right. I don't read nor have I read the comics, but it was fairly obvious to me at least. /shrug. I look forward to seeing how they work it in though.
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Jun 30, 2015 18:02
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ImpAtom posted:Rocksteady games are a series of strong individual scenes when taken out of context that form a really bad plot when put together in a row. There are a lot of strong individual scenes in Knight but put together they're pretty dumb. So, like comics?
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DrVenkman posted:North is not only the greatest video game character ever (Richard Heck) but he puts in a really impressive performance in Spec-Ops: The Line. He goes from generic Nolan North to someone teetering over to insanity and does it really well. IIRC Nolan North was recruited for these two characters precisely because he's such a reputation as the lucky-go-happy dude protagonist.
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JetsGuy posted:I'm only up to the point in the game where you go into the tunnel to try and follow the trail for Oracle's kidnapping. I'm a little disappointed though that at this point I've already figured out who Arkham Knight is, and googled it to confirm I was right. I don't read nor have I read the comics, but it was fairly obvious to me at least. /shrug. I look forward to seeing how they work it in though. It's perhaps the most predictable plot twist ever and it's really bizarre they tried to pretend it was anything but what it was.
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The fact that the twist itself is built upon the fact that Bruce is a human being and has the capability to be wrong despite being Batman makes it way less bad than it would be otherwise imo. Also, I don't think it's fair to call it bad if you're one of the people who knew what the twist would be going in because of how it plays out in the relevant comics. Batman cannot possibly have the same information that you, the outside observer, do because he's part of the story and you're not. Some people in this thread have been doing that and I just don't think it's really a fair judgment.
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JT Smiley posted:Joker Aids Not to say Asylum's story was all that great, but I'll take that Titan plot over this any day. Joker Aids enables the Joker to poo poo all over every scene in the game. The titan formula gave us this poo poo
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ImpAtom posted:It's perhaps the most predictable plot twist ever and it's really bizarre they tried to pretend it was anything but what it was. I mean doesn't the Arkham Knight even call Batman Bruce directly at one point? Even so, hmmm guy who knows everything about Batman, can hack his stupid BatTracy communicator. Mad at Batman for betraying/letting him down. That basically screams "former sidekick". At which point my though process was: "well Robin... and Dick and Tim are already in the game... so Jason Todd, and oh yeah, Jason Todd / Red Hood really likes guns. The reveal would have been even easier if I had known the story line where Joker kills Jason Todd, Todd gets revived in a Lazarus Pit, goes crazy, and decides he wants Batman dead. CJacobs posted:The fact that the twist itself is built upon the fact that Bruce is a human being and has the capability to be wrong despite being Batman makes it way less bad than it would be otherwise imo. Also, I don't think it's fair to call it bad if you're one of the people who knew what the twist would be going in because of how it plays out in the relevant comics. Batman cannot possibly have the same information that you, the outside observer, do because he's part of the story and you're not. Some people in this thread have been doing that and I just don't think it's really a fair judgment. I personally don't read the comics at all, but I did watch the animated series and of course the Adam West edition. I don't think the game is bad for the reveal / twist being obvious to me, but I am now interested to see how it plays out. Arkham is a fun game so far for me, but I have to admit I'm not nearly as invested in this game as I was other Arkham games. JetsGuy fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 18:31
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CJacobs posted:The fact that the twist itself is built upon the fact that Bruce is a human being and has the capability to be wrong despite being Batman makes it way less bad than it would be otherwise imo. Also, I don't think it's fair to call it bad if you're one of the people who knew what the twist would be going in because of how it plays out in the relevant comics. Batman cannot possibly have the same information that you, the outside observer, do because he's part of the story and you're not. Some people in this thread have been doing that and I just don't think it's really a fair judgment. I think ti would be fine if they'd not gone all "it's a new character and not the guy you, the audience, totally think it is." The only reason for the Arkham Knight name is to try to hide the most obvious twist from the audience, especially since he promptly transforms into the Red Hood. Honestly it mostly bugs me because The Red Hood would fit the themes of the game a lot better than the Arkham Knight does, especially since it was a former identity of the Joker. JetsGuy posted:I mean doesn't the Arkham Knight even call Batman Bruce directly at one point? Even so, hmmm guy who knows everything about Batman, can hack his stupid BatTracy communicator. Mad at Batman for betraying/letting him down. That basically screams "former sidekick". At which point my though process was: "well Robin... and Dick and Tim are already in the game... so Jason Todd, and oh yeah, Jason Todd / Red Hood really likes guns. He does but only during the drill fight which is right before his identity is discovered anyway.
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ImpAtom posted:He does but only during the drill fight which is right before his identity is discovered anyway. Ah ok, I must've been wrong about that then. Definitely not at that point in the game. It still was obvious he wasn't lying about knowing everything about Batman, which again, screams "former sidekick"
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CJacobs posted:The fact that the twist itself is built upon the fact that Bruce is a human being and has the capability to be wrong despite being Batman makes it way less bad than it would be otherwise imo. Also, I don't think it's fair to call it bad if you're one of the people who knew what the twist would be going in because of how it plays out in the relevant comics. Batman cannot possibly have the same information that you, the outside observer, do because he's part of the story and you're not. Some people in this thread have been doing that and I just don't think it's really a fair judgment. I just think it was a bad marketing call. They name the game after him, they plaster him all over the ads, they make him the center of the entire campaign for this game, naturally people are going to try and solve the very flat mystery while they're waiting months for the game to come out. If all we knew of the Knight before release was seeing him like standing behind Scarecrow in a trailer or something, just a little tease here and there, we wouldn't have had months to spoil it all and it might actually work. Basically marketing is the worst and ruins everything. The game's marketing was detrimental to the story of the game itself. Maybe they were trying to do a misdirect so people would be talking about the Knight as opposed to certain other characters who make an appearance. I dunno. But I think a better ad campaign would have been to focus on the full campaign of "Oh man, it's all of Gotham, and all of Batman's worst enemies are on the loose!", but then that's pretty much exactly Arkham City.
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ImpAtom posted:Honestly it mostly bugs me because The Red Hood would fit the themes of the game a lot better than the Arkham Knight does, especially since it was a former identity of the Joker. The problem with that is that everyone already knows who The Red Hood is, so it wouldn't have been a mystery at all. I mean, if you know anything about Batman it's not a mystery at all, but still.
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Jason Todd never being a thing outside the comics is what makes the twist work for me. The average person playing the game probably hasn't kept up with the past decade of comics.
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Funky Valentine posted:Jason Todd never being a thing outside the comics is what makes the twist work for me. Or can google.
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Bumfluff posted:The problem with that is that everyone already knows who The Red Hood is, so it wouldn't have been a mystery at all. I mean, if you know anything about Batman it's not a mystery at all, but still. Yeah, but it isn't like this is a mystery at all. If you know who the character is then changing the name doesn't actually fool you. If you don't know who the character is then you're not going to figure it out regardless of what he is named.
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Jun 30, 2015 18:47
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Holy poo poo, the Movie Studios segment was fantastic and if this game's story wasn't so far up its own rear end I would've actually been somewhat compelled to try and defeat the Scarecrow instead of dicking around Gotham.
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Funky Valentine posted:Jason Todd never being a thing outside the comics is what makes the twist work for me. My friend didn't know who Jason Todd was until the studio bit, and he still deduced who the Arkham Knight was before the reveal. It was telegraphed like a motherfucker.
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Joe Gillian posted:My friend didn't know about Jason Todd until the studio bit, and he still deduced who the Arkham Knight was before the reveal. It was telegraphed like a motherfucker. To be fair the studio bit makes it kind of absurdly blatant.
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Yeah it's the first time you hear his voice and it's the same loving voice actor, like it's impossible for you to not decipher who it is at that point through just aural recognition.
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair the studio bit makes it kind of absurdly blatant. That's my point. The average person playing with half a brain wouldn't have thought that to be a twist at all, comic knowledge nonwithstanding.
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Also I'm lolling at the fact that they literally JUST mentioned him. Like, why the gently caress was this character not brought up earlier in the game, I am past the halfway point and it is insanity that he was only now just mentioned.
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Funky Valentine posted:The average person playing the game probably hasn't kept up with the past decade of comics. I feel like you may wanna spoiler the first part of your post. Not that I give too much of a poo poo about spoilers. You're right though, 95% of the people playing this game don't read the comics, and a huge portion of them only have a cursory remembrance of the movies/TV series. The fact they went with the knight being Jason Todd is actually kinda cool. It is a good nod to people who know anything about the Universe, but obscure enough that most of hte players would be surprised. It's also a neat way to "re-introduce" a villain who I totally forgot was even in the cartoon
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Would've been better if they'd brought up Jason before now. He's existed since Asylum most likely. You could maybe stretch it to City. Either way, if he'd come up a few times before, it might've preserved the mystery and made the twist better.
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That would actually clear up most of my complaints since the character wasn't just established literally this game and wasn't a narrative rear end pull. That being said it still begs the question of why they didn't go with Red Hood, but hey you gotta market a game and need thing to pull people in once in a while and while it is the exact same thing except Arkham Knight looks cooler, I can maybe get over the fact you wasted this cool design on this lovely character.
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Structurally, I believe there were no Robins in Asylum. The Jason Todd business must have happened before City, since we had Tim in that one. I recall Joker making a couple offhand references to it.
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Discendo Vox posted:Structurally, I believe there were no Robins in Asylum. The Jason Todd business must have happened before City, since we had Tim in that one. I recall Joker making a couple offhand references to it. There are a couple of references to Robin in Arkham Asylum but they're generic Boy Wonder kind of stuff. He isn't really shown or clarified until City, so it could have been Dick or Tim. The one I remember most distinctively is Joker asking Batman how he punishes his sidekicks with the joke being "isn't that outfit you make them wear punishment enough?" Jason Todd is only mentioned obliquely with Joker mentioning having killed a Robin and making crowbar jokes as part of his overall commentary IIRC. Also Robin almost certainly existed before Arkham Asylum because Babs was already Oracle by that point and her having a career as Batgirl before there is any Robin doesn't make sense. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Structurally, I believe there were no Robins in Asylum. The Jason Todd business must have happened before City, since we had Tim in that one. I recall Joker making a couple offhand references to it.
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