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AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

srb posted:

And yeah, the T29's ears were damage zones, but I thought they fixed that in beta? If not in beta, it was fixed quickly after release. But yeah, shooting the ears to kill T29s was definitely a thing, and I still get new players shooting the ears since the pen indicator shows green on them.
Yeah that was probably at the end of the beta when they were full damage. I have a hard time telling the beta and post-beta apart in my memory.

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unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!
The T29 when it came out was beyond hilariously overpowered. It had a higher ROF, and the frontal armor was 'bugged' which made things hilarious. You have to remember this was also before the MM tier spread was narrowed to within two. I had battles in that thing where I was basically destroying hordes of tier 5s. Even with all the changes it is still a good tank.

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Nothing beats the IS-4 at Tier 9 with the S-70 (IS-7) Gun.

Half the tanks you faced every game could not pen you at all.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

unlawfulsoup posted:

The T29 when it came out was beyond hilariously overpowered. It had a higher ROF, and the frontal armor was 'bugged' which made things hilarious. You have to remember this was also before the MM tier spread was narrowed to within two. I had battles in that thing where I was basically destroying hordes of tier 5s. Even with all the changes it is still a good tank.

Pretty sure the gun also had 25mm more pen and better accuracy.

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!

xthetenth posted:

Pretty sure the gun also had 25mm more pen and better accuracy.

Yeah, I am a little hazy on all of the changes they have made to the T29.

Saint Celestine posted:

Nothing beats the IS-4 at Tier 9 with the S-70 (IS-7) Gun.

Half the tanks you faced every game could not pen you at all.

Yes. I remember a game with two IS-4s on the other team and most of our team drove into a lake. RIP IS4, you were too good for this world.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

unlawfulsoup posted:

RIP IS4, you were too good for this world.

RIP old IS-4. One-shotting tier 5s never got old.

srb
Jul 24, 2007
At release, tier 5s didn't see the IS-4 except for the KV, but it did see all tier 6 tanks (and tier 6 heavies could see all the way up to tier 10).

Beta matchmaking (3-10 I believe?) was insane.

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

^ Are you sure, I swear I fought tier 9s in my stupid sherman.

Saint Celestine posted:

Nothing beats the IS-4 at Tier 9 with the S-70 (IS-7) Gun.

Half the tanks you faced every game could not pen you at all.

Firing HE from my sherman at in IS-4 and sometimes hitting for 2 damage was nice.

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!

srb posted:

At release, tier 5s didn't see the IS-4 except for the KV, but it did see all tier 6 tanks (and tier 6 heavies could see all the way up to tier 10).

Beta matchmaking (3-10 I believe?) was insane.

The nightmare time for all Hetzer drivers.

Also classic WoT was hilarious. Remember when HE was actually a legitimate target for whittling down enemy tanks. Often tier 6-7 AP had no chance of harming tanks like IS4s and almost credit APCR/HEAT didn't exist. You basically flung HE or made some suicidal attempt to get a rear shot. Either way, it was comedy itself watching 5-6 lower tier tanks hopelessly bombarding an IS4, doing like 30-70 dmg a hit.

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

The only thing I remember from beta is when they announced you had 2 days to hit 1,000 battles to get the reward tank I just queued and esc back to garage 200 times to make sure I hit 1,000 battles.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

BadLlama posted:

The only thing I remember from beta is when they announced you had 2 days to hit 1,000 battles to get the reward tank I just queued and esc back to garage 200 times to make sure I hit 1,000 battles.

I was about 200 short :smith:

kemikalkadet
Sep 16, 2012

:woof:
what was the reward tank?

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

kemikalkadet posted:

what was the reward tank?

Basically a slower, up armored* sherman with a garbage gun.

*Increased armor didn't do anything.

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:M4A2E4

Largepotato
Jan 18, 2007

Spurd.
The majority of people sold it for a free tank slot.

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

The maus was good when it could fight tier 3s

unless it was the last tank remaining and other tanks would just swarm it and lock it in place and it couldnt aim down enough to kill them while someone else capped the base

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!
Beta Sherman is actually workable if you fire tons of gold. At that point it is basically just a slightly faster, slightly shoddier armored T14.

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

Hi I'm the beta test leopard, you can't hit me because I'm teleporting all over the place, like goku from dbz

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!

Control Volume posted:

Hi I'm the beta test leopard, you can't hit me because I'm teleporting all over the place, like goku from dbz

The answer was the beta test T-34 with 57mm. Auto-aim and left click until things die.

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

anyone remember what it was like to play the s-51 at release? i do :getin:

Super 3
Dec 31, 2007

Sometimes the powers you get are shit.
Any idea if the British heavy the event is centered around is getting pref match making?

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

imagine this: a stock a-20 with 25% crew

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

Control Volume posted:

anyone remember what it was like to play the s-51 at release? i do :getin:

Ah the can opener. That thing did not gently caress around.

I remember playing the Little Leo a whole lot when the game first came out, if my ruby tinted nostalgia glasses are correct I remember it would bounce low tier tanks all the time.

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

Super 3 posted:

Any idea if the British heavy the event is centered around is getting pref match making?

I don't think it is.

Jack_tripper
Jun 7, 2009

Super 3 posted:

Any idea if the British heavy the event is centered around is getting pref match making?

nope, pref mm isn't likely to be offered on any new tanks from now on

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

unlawfulsoup posted:

The answer was the beta test T-34 with 57mm. Auto-aim and left click until things die.
3601 with the Konisch :colbert:

Control Volume posted:

imagine this: a stock a-20 with 25% crew
:barf:

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

Training a new Jap crew for the Jap heavies atm. :quig:

I feel like i'll need to train like 8 dudes for those tanks.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

BadLlama posted:

Training a new Jap crew for the Jap heavies atm. :quig:

I am sure the Japanese heavies are going to be fine, but boy oh boy are arty players going to get boners that can cut glass when they one of those monstrosities on the enemy team.

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!

Control Volume posted:

anyone remember what it was like to play the s-51 at release? i do :getin:

Battle hummel was best at causing pubbies to cry. I shotgunned 3 people in one round on himmelsdorf and two of them messaged me after the game calling me a hack as well as many racial slurs.

Bort Bortles posted:

3601 with the Konisch :colbert:

Inferior fascist mode of glitch shooting compared to glorious Soviet T-34-57mm.

Control Volume posted:

imagine this: a stock a-20 with 25% crew

Imagine playing a game while someone kicks you in the balls every time you fire your gun.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!
Tell me about sp3tsn4z, Hellsau. I clowned his team in boats and he sent me this:


I just checked and unsurprisingly I have better tanks stats than him

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

unlawfulsoup posted:

Battle hummel was best at causing pubbies to cry. I shotgunned 3 people in one round on himmelsdorf and two of them messaged me after the game calling me a hack as well as many racial slurs.
:godwinning:+:c00l:
One of my favorite memories from this game was running out of ammo in my Hummel and deciding the best course of action would be to fly down the hill on Malinovka to ram an 87 HP KV-2. I went from full health to dead....he took no damage. :eng99:

unlawfulsoup posted:

Inferior fascist mode of glitch shooting compared to glorious Soviet T-34-57mm.
But but but my super OP Reichtangle!

AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jun 30, 2015

unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!

Bort Bortles posted:

:godwinning:+:c00l:
One of my favorite memories from this game was running out of ammo in my Hummel and deciding the best course of action would be to fly down the hill on Malinovka to ram an 87 HP Hummel. I went from full health to dead....he took no damage. :eng99:

But but but my super OP Reichtangle!

Points for reichtangle.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

unlawfulsoup posted:

Points for reichtangle.
Heh. Too bad I wrote Hummel twice instead of KV-2 (I rammed the KV-2).

Also, I miss the old Konisch :(

Missing Name
Jan 5, 2013


About goddamn time I nailed one of these fuckers. Point blank shotgun.

Of course, this was only possible because my team camped Magic Forest.

rossmum
Dec 2, 2008

Cummander ross, reporting for duty!

:gooncamp:
Re: T29 ears - the German tanks had the same issue. Poking the googly eyes on the Panther II would hurt the gently caress out of it.

Mesadoram posted:

Ah the can opener. That thing did not gently caress around.

I remember playing the Little Leo a whole lot when the game first came out, if my ruby tinted nostalgia glasses are correct I remember it would bounce low tier tanks all the time.

It did. It was literally a better PzIII.

Control Volume posted:

imagine this: a stock a-20 with 25% crew

gently caress you, I'd repressed that memory so successfully until today :smithicide:

I hope one day WG release a special game mode that's just the game as it stood at release, bugs and bad graphics and all. I'd play the poo poo out of it, circle-strafing things in my Panther like I used to when I was a [bigger] retard coinflipper. I almost feel like we should start assembling a compendium of Old Tanks Stories that we can link in the OP or something :shobon:

e: For those of you who do actually watch replays, here's a nice match I had in my 4202 earlier while trying for MT-15 on the T28 set. For those who don't, it'll be on Youtube in a week or two.

rossmum fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jun 30, 2015

CompeAnansi
Feb 1, 2011

I respectfully decline
the invitation to join
your hallucination

rossmum posted:

It did. It was literally a better PzIII.

And the PzIII is a really good tank, so that's saying something.

JohnGalt
Aug 7, 2012


Drag your pubbies kicking and screaming to the victory circle

JohnGalt fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jul 1, 2015

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
Armchair Generals

In the years of the Great Patriotic War, officers of the General Staff tasked with studying the experience of war were like pearl hunters in muddy waters. Numerous letters arrived addressed to them with suggestions on how to sooner defeat Germany. Many of them were odd or curious. Here are some excerpts from secret suggestions in 1942.

More forces, new and interesting ones

Major-General Pulko-Dmitriyev of the Tashkent Intendant Academy found, as he thought, a flawless plan of fighting German tanks. In his words "a fascist tank division would break upon" a special anti-tank battalion armed with 300 AT rifle crews. According to the author, such a division contained 300 tanks.

The officer that received this letter wrote in the margins that a German tank division does not have this many tanks. The main idea that every enemy tank needs a dedicated AT rifle was not commented upon.

Comrade Yagudin from Baku wrote that the era of flying tanks is close, same with fortress tanks and mosquito tanks (the author does not mention if they were just very small or were also capable of flight). Until these tanks were made, it was important to organize the forces correctly. The author wanted a motorized brigade, consisting of tank, airborne, artillery, and motorized infantry groups. A brigade is not the largest unit, consisting of about 50 tanks, but Yagudin came up with a 500 vehicle monster which could easily be classified as a corps or even an army.

With this brigade, he proposed "an offensive in the Bryansk-Smolensk-Gomel-Minsk direction, developing success on flanks, and at the same time moving up the remainder of the front, especially the flanks (Baltic and Black Sea shores)"

Saving the best for last, Captain Matyevosyan from the 22nd Army proposed "Amphibian tanks that could carry tank riders and fly up to 25 meters in the air over a range of 10-20 kilometers". The General Staff did not appreciate this proposal, as the phrase about 25 meters is thickly underlined and there is a short message in the margin: "Science fiction"

How to Defeat Germany for Dummies

A burning desire to defeat the enemy is not enough. One also needs knowledge and experience, otherwise these attempts will look silly. For instance, comrade Kargopolov from Stalingrad attempted to grasp the theory and practice of modern warfare and came to the following conclusion: "Do we need this idea of battle, why seek a meeting with dynamic armed enemy forces? When one thinks about it, one must admit that we do not." Instead of fighting the German army, the author proposed to concentrate as many armoured and mechanized forces in the direction of Smolensk-Minsk as possible and move them forward. In 6-7 days, they will be at the walls of Berlin. Secondary offensives would be aimed in the direction of Rzhev-Riga and Elets-Kursk-Kiev.

The author did not forget about the Allies, proposing that they move their tank forces by air and, without worrying about France or Belgium, aim towards the Rhine to meet the Soviet tank armies somewhere in the middle of Germany.

Sergeant Fedorov had an original idea, attacking from the rear. He proposed waiting for long Arctic nights on the Leningrad Front and sneak by with "transport like northern dogs, reindeer, skiers". Fedorov imagined that this will bring unparalleled success. He also cursed lazy scientists and demanded that doctors and chemists develop sleeping gas.

Military Engineer Second Class Malyuk of the Siberian railroad also had grandiose ideas. He invented "strategic triangles" and "strategic trapezoids" to strike suddenly at the German forces, as they would allow to "with relatively few losses, move forward and discover the intentions of the enemy". This "military geometry" was built upon a strike force of 9-10 divisions (a good 100,000 men). This was only the beginning, Malyuk started making plans for groups of 25-30 divisions. According to his prognosis, a successful execution of this plan would allow these units to reach the Baltic in 10-15 days, and Bucharest and the Danube in 20-25, surrounding all enemy armies. After that, as the author logically concluded, "Hitler has one way out, the noose."

Political Chief Kovalev's Red Vice

The plan of a breakthrough and defeat of German armies developed by reservist political chief Kovalev was largely born from a surplus of red pencils, paper, and spare time.



The massive red pincers in this drawing were Kovalev's plan. The first "armoured breakthrough group" was supposed to attack in the direction of Stalino (Donetsk), Dnepropetrovsk, and Kirovograd. When they reached the Ukrainian steppes, they would split up into two parts that would join up around Ploesti.

In order to realize this plan, "only" 15 tank divisions and 16 motorized divisions were needed. According to Kovalev, this would cut off Germany from Romanian oil and prevent German control over the Romanian, Hungarian, and Italian armies. As a result, "the armies would no doubt quarrel".

Many parts of Kovalev's plan were unclear. For instance, where would the Red Army get tank divisions in 1942? At that time, the tank forces have not yet recovered from the heavy losses of 1941 and the largest tank unit was a brigade (60 tanks). Even if all tanks, including light T-60s, were gathered up, there would not be enough vehicles. The political chief also did not mention what would prevent the Germans from communicating with their allies via radio.

The reply from the General Staff stated that the plan does not consider the current situation in our armies and is "in general, a fantasy".

One can only be surprised by the patience and professionalism of the General Staff that, during the very difficult year of 1942, wrote over and over: "The data you have communicated in the letter will be considered. In the future when developing suggestions, please:
Consider the situation at hand.
Back up your suggestions with calculations of forces and supplies that they require.
When composing plans and suggestions, do not depart from reality."

Nerses IV
May 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Saint Celestine posted:

Nothing beats the IS-4 at Tier 9 with the S-70 (IS-7) Gun.

Half the tanks you faced every game could not pen you at all.



I played maybe 20 games in the IS-8. First tier 9 I ever unlocked. RIP in peace you god drat beautiful machine.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

James Garfield posted:

Tell me about sp3tsn4z, Hellsau. I clowned his team in boats and he sent me this:


I just checked and unsurprisingly I have better tanks stats than him

PINGU is mostly rerolls and inactives and people who don't listen to the caller and cannot handle criticism. You figure it out mate.

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James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Hellsau posted:

PINGU is mostly rerolls and inactives and people who don't listen to the caller and cannot handle criticism. You figure it out mate.

I was surprised that he went to that much effort. I even got kicked from PANSY for inactivity.

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