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Solkanar512 posted:God damnit, NPR - Yeah, this was playing on the radio during the portion of my commute with the worst traffic. So many profanities. My favorite part was the boo-hooing on how no matter how hard they tried, they couldn't find a single doctor to testify on their behalf. quote:"Doctors don't want to go out on that limb," Mary Wildman says. As if they think they're entitled to a doctor who supports their position. FFS medicine isn't a democracy where all you need is some brave soul to stand up for your set of facts to validate them. At least the UM professor pointed out that the standard in that court is already as low as it can go.
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xrunner posted:As if they think they're entitled to a doctor who supports their position. FFS medicine isn't a democracy where all you need is some brave soul to stand up for your set of facts to validate them. Even if the burden was notably lower than it is now, the evidence their sons issue is not related to the vaccine is strong enough that the case would have likely been dead in the water anyway. The only thing their case seems to have had is a strong emotional appeal. The article also buries that they tried to find an doctor to argue on their behalf for 15 years.
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All this crying about vaccines, but the lady gives her 1-year-old acetaminophen, which causes nearly 500 deaths a year in the U.S. (and tens of thousands of *hospitalized* cases of liver damage) and is particularly easy for a tiny human to OD on, and nobody even thinks twice about it.
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As I've mentioned before, the thing to focus on isn't the idiots in the story, it's the specific people at the media outlet that gave them a mic. They're the ones to target. They're the vectors.
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Big Pharma assassinated a leading Anti-Vaccination researcher the other day. http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/news/2015/jun/25/controversial-autism-researcher-jeff-bradstreet/ Wake up sheeple!!!
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Cubey posted:Big Pharma assassinated a leading Anti-Vaccination researcher the other day. Good.
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Cubey posted:Big Pharma assassinated a leading Anti-Vaccination researcher the other day. I like the comments on that: Person with autism: Hey here's why vaccines don't cause autism and BTW autistic people don't like to be called "broken" if you don't mind. Nut: how dare you tell me to use "PC" language & your a shill & autistic people really are broken & your a liar!!
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Cubey posted:Big Pharma assassinated a leading Anti-Vaccination researcher the other day. Nothing of value was lost.
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i guess self-vaccinating with lead is dangerous to your health
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That Works posted:Don't forget that this generation has never been sicker. And then they go on to openly admit that smallpox was eliminated via vaccination.
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Get ready for a renewed flood of Hitler references! http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/us/california-mandates-vaccines-for-schoolchildren.html
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Governor Brown signed SB277 into law *without any changes* (he hobbled our previous vaccination bill at the last second)! Antivaxxers are already planning to sue over it. Also, California SB792 just got referred to committee this morning. SB792 requires daycare workers to be vaccinated against pertussis, measles, and influenza. The antivaxxers are framing this as FORCED ADULT VACCINATIONS. SB277 was amended in the Assembly to allow for a sort-of somewhat grandfathering - children who hold a PBE issued before the law takes effect (January 1, 2016), will maintain that exemption until they hit the next mandatory vaccination check. So essentially anyone entering kindergarten this fall can get a PBE and avoid vaccination until middle school. We won't see the complete effect of the bill for 5 or 6 years.
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Fionnoula posted:Governor Brown signed SB277 into law *without any changes* (he hobbled our previous vaccination bill at the last second)! Antivaxxers are already planning to sue over it. Also, California SB792 just got referred to committee this morning. SB792 requires daycare workers to be vaccinated against pertussis, measles, and influenza. The antivaxxers are framing this as FORCED ADULT VACCINATIONS. How do anti-vaxxers think they have a case against the law? It's very much in the government's authority to require these things and a religious exception is not required by any reasonable reading of the state or US Constitutions. Homeschooling will probably go up but honestly I hope a law's eventually passed that requires vaccination period. Homeschooled? Doesn't matter. Refusing to vaccinate your kids because a dumbass model and some quacks are conning you? You go to jail for child endangerment.
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Bear in mind that the supreme court already ruled many decades ago that FORCED ADULT VACCINATIONS are within the bounds of the constitution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts
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Cockmaster posted:And then they go on to openly admit that smallpox was eliminated via vaccination. I've read some that deny any link, and claim smallpox rates went down due to improved sanitation, and actually the WHO's vaccination programs in the last remaining pockets of the world actually perpetuated the disease longer. Breathtaking in its blindness. Edit: for example https://childhealthsafety.wordpress...icate-smallpox/ TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:I've read some that deny any link, and claim smallpox rates went down due to improved sanitation, and actually the WHO's vaccination programs in the last remaining pockets of the world actually perpetuated the disease longer. My only answer to that would be "smallpox was eradicated due to improved sanitation in the 70s? have you ever been in Africa?" e: Christ almighty what am I saying? Smallpox is airborne, how the gently caress is improved sanitation going to make a difference? MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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MeLKoR posted:e: Christ almighty what am I saying? Smallpox is airborne, how the gently caress is improved sanitation going to make a difference? Two words: Domed Cities
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https://twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/616049450243338240 https://twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/616051925859987456 Jim Carrey is doing his thing again, most of the replies are just people making fun of him, which is nice.
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Jim, I'm sure you've heard countless times by now that the amount of mercury and aluminum kids take in through food and water is far more than the amount in vacci
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Elemental mercury like you find in fish is also kind of, you know, a different thing than a molecule of mercury bound up somewhere in a chemical of some sort. Yeah there's still some mercury molecules there but molecules behave very differently if they're bound up with other crap.
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I'm aware that thimerosal isn't the same as mercury in fish but it's something that's been used in vaccines since the 30s and I'm pretty sure everyone has been just fine e: I feel like someone will correct me here so I'll say that there have always been some people with allergic reactions, etc
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Fionnoula posted:Governor Brown signed SB277 into law *without any changes* (he hobbled our previous vaccination bill at the last second)! Antivaxxers are already planning to sue over it. Also, California SB792 just got referred to committee this morning. SB792 requires daycare workers to be vaccinated against pertussis, measles, and influenza. The antivaxxers are framing this as FORCED ADULT VACCINATIONS. Still really surprised that California was able to pass such a medically wise crackdown bill.
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We went so long with this thread being inactive. I had high hopes that this little movement had all but run its course and the anti-vax crowd had decided the fight was never going to be won. Oh, how naive of me.  Welcome back friends. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IjawyE9YII
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Pastor Perineum posted:I'm aware that thimerosal isn't the same as mercury in fish but it's something that's been used in vaccines since the 30s and I'm pretty sure everyone has been just fine That doesn't stop people from losing their minds, unfortunately. Even if you can demonstrate scientifically that it is, in fact, safe people just go MERCURY!!!!!  and lose their minds. Or, you know, "but but but thimerosal is a CHEMICAL and CHEMICALS are unsafe!"YOU'RE MADE OF CHEMICALS YOU DUMB gently caress While I'm a pretty cranky person in general I don't think anybody makes me quite as genuinely angry as anti-vaxxers.
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Guys, chugging chlorine straight out the jug in your pool supplies closet is dangerous. Yet, we let our children sprinkle those little packets of salt on their food. Does that make sense?
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Centripetal Horse posted:Guys, chugging chlorine straight out the jug in your pool supplies closet is dangerous. Yet,
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fermun posted:https://twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/616049450243338240 Jenny McCarthy needs to be stopped.
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Well you have to mix it with orange juice first, and orange juice is healthy, so that makes orange bleach juice healthy enough to put up someone's rectum. That's just science!
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You know if you dilute the bleach enough you'll become immune to bleach.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:You know if you dilute the bleach enough you'll become immune to bleach. Goddamnit, you made me think of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqbn7oxXh38
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Keeshhound posted:Well you have to mix it with orange juice first, and orange juice is healthy, so that makes orange bleach juice healthy enough to put up someone's rectum. That's just science! At first I thought this quote was in response to this one: Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Jenny McCarthy needs to be stopped. and giggled for a while.
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Flu shots aren't vaccines, right? Is that why you have to get them annually? I'm asking because some dipshit on my Facebook is talking about his reasoning for being an anti-vaxxer which is "I got the flu shot and got sick"  I just want to be informed before I start calling him out on how retarded his reasoning is.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Flu shots aren't vaccines, right? Is that why you have to get them annually? I'm asking because some dipshit on my Facebook is talking about his reasoning for being an anti-vaxxer which is "I got the flu shot and got sick" I'm pretty sure flu shots are vaccines, the thing is with the flu there's so many potential strains basically what they do each year is gin up a specific vaccine for the ones they predict are the most likely to be big come flu season, and repeat the process the next year. I don't remember how the specific process goes of determining which to guard against.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Flu shots aren't vaccines, right? Is that why you have to get them annually? I'm asking because some dipshit on my Facebook is talking about his reasoning for being an anti-vaxxer which is "I got the flu shot and got sick" They're vaccines. The "flu" is a bunch of different virii that keep changing, so they release a new version of it each year.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Flu shots aren't vaccines, right? Is that why you have to get them annually? I'm asking because some dipshit on my Facebook is talking about his reasoning for being an anti-vaxxer which is "I got the flu shot and got sick" No, it is a vaccine but ask him if he got diphtheria or rubella after a doctor's visit when he was 6. Or about all the other years when he got a flu shot and didn't get the flu.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Flu shots aren't vaccines, right? Is that why you have to get them annually? I'm asking because some dipshit on my Facebook is talking about his reasoning for being an anti-vaxxer which is "I got the flu shot and got sick" No, they're vaccines, specifically for what scientists predict will be the most common flu strains that year.
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Discendo Vox posted:They're vaccines. The "flu" is a bunch of different virii that keep changing, so they release a new version of it each year. Basically this. It's actually the same virus but some of the components mutate over time so the vaccine is trying to hit that moving target of what kind of combination they think they will see when it starts to hit the Western Hemisphere. Most of the time they predict the vaccine type pretty well and its fine. Sometimes (like last year) it isn't as effective because the virus mutated into a combination that they didn't think was going to be a major one and only was partially effective.
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Okay, I was misinformed. I assumed because the flu was different from a virus. 
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Okay, I was misinformed. I assumed because the flu was different from a virus. Nope, still a virus just one that changes fairly swiftly over time. Viruses that mutate like that are tough. It's one (of several) reasons that we don't have an HIV vaccine etc.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Flu shots aren't vaccines, right? Is that why you have to get them annually? I'm asking because some dipshit on my Facebook is talking about his reasoning for being an anti-vaxxer which is "I got the flu shot and got sick" The reason you get a flu vaccine every year is because the prominent strain differs every year and the vaccine efficacy wanes. Your dipshit Facebook friend could very well get a flu vaccine and get sick for a number of reasons. The vaccine can cause mild flu-like symptoms, or your friend could have caught a strain not matched by the vaccine. Even in a bad year where the vaccine doesn't match +90% with the circulating strain(s), you'll have protection from some strains. Lets put it this way - just because dies in a car accident while wearing a seatbelt doesn't mean they should stop wearing a seatbelt! Seatbelts are proven to save lives, not every life. See this awesome graphic on how the flu vaccine matched up with the prominent strains between 2008-2015.  edit: taken from http://blogs.plos.org/publichealth/2014/12/12/flu-shot-isnt-good-match-year-ever/ JUST MAKING CHILI fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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