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Leperflesh posted:The Upper Cretaceous, throughout what is now western North America. That was pretty funny but I would actually like to know where the model is from.
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It occurs to me that there is nothing preventing you from leaving combat. If charging is worth it just do this : Shoot, charge, combat, next turn move back, shoot, charge...
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Terrible Opinions posted:That was pretty funny but I would actually like to know where the model is from. Well the actual truth is the model probably is not the complete model. The vast majority of these "terrible lizards" displayed both on tabletop and in museums are mostly artificial, with bones created to approximately match what is believed to be the correct structure. Basically while several parts of this model were probably found in Dave's Bargain Dungeon in N.Dakota, the model maker most likely finished the rest of the dinosaur based on estimation of the bones and how totally radical it would be for it to just totally eat, like, an entire unit of dudes. http://www.npr.org/2012/12/09/166665795/forget-extinct-the-brontosaurus-never-even-existed Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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Jul 1, 2015 03:43
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Terrible Opinions posted:That was pretty funny but I would actually like to know where the model is from. It's a T-Rex from Schleich:  also lol gw
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OB_Juan posted:So, the box comes with 30 Khorne dudes. I deploy them all as units of one Khorne Dude Leader. All my guys are now better, just because I declared this. I guess I would only deploy 23 of them? The thing says "any number" so you could conceptually deploy an infinite number of 0-man teams, each of which is lead by one Khorne Dude Leader mounted on a base that's smaller than the human eye can see.
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moths posted:The thing says "any number" so you could conceptually deploy an infinite number of 0-man teams, each of which is lead by one Khorne Dude Leader mounted on a base that's smaller than the human eye can see. Each of these pennies is a proxy for a 1 man khornate champion in a 0 man unit. *drops penny on the table* Each Khorn Champion is an elite champion who thirsts for blood and the rewards of cruel gods. *drops another penny in his deployment zone* AND I JUST CASHED OUT FIVE DOLLARS YOU SON OF A BITCH *Empties a handful of khorn champions on the table as the Game Store goes silent and a crazy guitar rift swells in the background*
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Doctor Borris posted:Well the actual truth is the model probably is not the complete model. The vast majority of these terrible lizards displayed both on tabletop and in museums are mostly artificial, with bones created to approximately match what is believed to be the correct structure. Basically while several parts of this model were probably found in Dave's Bargain Dungeon in N.Dakota, the model maker most likely finished the rest of the dinosaur based on estimation of the bones and how totally radical it would be for it to just totally eat, like, an entire unit of dudes. Brontosaurus is a separate species of dinosaur again, science is grand.
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Sharkopath posted:Brontosaurus is a separate species of dinosaur again, science is grand. http://www.kids-dinosaurs.com/brontosaurus.html Holy. poo poo. This looks better written then GW rules, to be fair. I looked for like ten minutes on articles on how most museum dinosaur bones are mostly cast pieces or estimated parts for the dinosaur. Paleontology is a remarkably incomplete science. I am a huge dinosaur nerd. I coudn't find anything post worthy however but I thought the Brontosaurus thing to be a reasonable and interesting alternative. Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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Doctor Borris posted:http://www.kids-dinosaurs.com/brontosaurus.html They haven't found a new specimen with the head intact but the holotype's body is different enough from apatosaurus that brontosaurus is a legit species.
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Paleontology is incomplete but it's crazy cool how much we have learned just by looking at fragments of skeletons. Stuff like doing muscle density mapping based on comparative study of the trochanters on the femur.
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Sharkopath posted:Paleontology is incomplete but it's crazy cool how much we have learned just by looking at fragments of skeletons. Stuff like doing muscle density mapping based on comparative study of the trochanters on the femur. Warhammer Fantasy: Paleontology is incomplete but it's crazy cool how much we have learned just by looking at fragments of skeletons. Stuff like doing muscle density mapping based on comparative study of the trochanters on the femur.
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Shaman Ooglaboogla posted:Warhammer Fantasy: Paleontology is incomplete but it's crazy cool how much we have learned just by looking at fragments of skeletons. Stuff like doing muscle density mapping based on comparative study of the trochanters on the femur. Its crazy cool how, just by doing studies on the comparative trochanters on the femur we learn so much about muscle density mapping. According to recently studies of unearthed bones, the new AoS Sucks.
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I just want to see how the new lizardmens look. If they actually go and make them teleporting spacelizardmens from space it would be both funny and cool but I don't know if the loss of the new world styling would be for the better.
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Shaman Ooglaboogla posted:Warhammer Fantasy: Paleontology is incomplete but it's crazy cool how much we have learned just by looking at fragments of skeletons. Stuff like doing muscle density mapping based on comparative study of the trochanters on the Fimir. There I fixed it for you
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Also read Stephen Jay Gould's 1992 book Bully for Brontosaurus, one of several excellent books collecting essays about natural history by the 20th century's best author of natural history for the lay audience, the late great Stephen Jay Gould. Gould's theory of punctuated equilibrium can be used to explain how Warhammer Fantasy remained basically the same for Also in all seriousness, and I am no-poo poo not making this up it's directly quoted from the Amazon blurb, quote:In "Justice Scalia's Misunderstanding," Gould chides Antonin Scalia for his dissent in the 1987 Supreme Court creationism case; the justice, he argues, equated creation and evolution. Yes that's right, Scalia's been an rear end in a top hat since the 80s. Anyway. The eponymous essay in this book (god I love that word, eponymous, I so rarely get a chance to use it correctly in a sentence, thank you Dr. Gould yet again) presents a case for Brontosaurus being a real thing and not an embarrassing mistake that greatly predates the newer research on the holotype skeleton that Sharkopath mentioned. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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I am pleased to confirm that the
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Honestly I am more impressed by your use of the word holotype. Much to my suprise that is the correct usage. Though many would scoff I believe the Brontosaurus to be nothing more then a tragic farcical beast created by rivalry between scientists, no matter what Kids Science Fun for Dinosaurs might posit, and honestly even that scholarly tome of knowledge says it is still up for debate.
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I don't even know what's jokes and what's real with this edition.
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Doctor Borris posted:Honestly I am more impressed by your use of the word holotype. Much to my suprise that is the correct usage. It can always be revised later but that's the current understanding, that they are separate entities. You can always read the study that established it, for free! https://peerj.com/articles/857/ Did the lizardmen ever have a sauropod model somewhere in their line? Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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And irrespective of that, just read this, it's not that long. Essentially: the more common name given to a species can prevail over the oldest name, the issue with the skulls is not the same as the naming issue, and "brontosaurus" is just straight up a better, more appropriate name for the dinosaur.
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Sounds like you two are at an impasse. I think you both better roll a d6 to determine who's viewpoint is correct.
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I think a more interesting fact is that a huge portion or dinosaur names and what is now accepted as fact originated in the 1800s due to two skilled but competitive rival paleontologists who spent fortunes either sabotaging each other, out naming each other (this is where brontosaurus vs the other A Saurus arises), or racing to assemble skeletons by any and with any means possible. I first heard about this via Bill Bryson excellent works and confirmed it with some wikis. Sorry can't phone linkpost
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Yah the Bone Wars are pretty common knowledge I thought though, super important historically and culturally to the field even if large portions of the work they did has been removed since.
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Yeah the Marsh/Cope rivalry was famous and spectacular. There was a general dino-mania going on in the public press and popular culture, and those two guys were both desperate to be the most prestigious and famousest. The rivalry was a double-edged sword: on the one hand, it kept the science of paleontology in the popular press, and probably fostered a whole generation's continuing interest in science. On the other hand, in their eagerness to out-do one another they both committed all manner of improprieties, questionable practices, evidentiary tampering, and in some cases, outright crimes. As a result, almost everything the two touched bears, at a minimum, careful reexamination. Which actually pretty much all paleontological work from the 19th century demands, since techniques and technology was obviously nowhere near what we have now. They were both brilliant men, though. And ultimately they both genuinely valued science, evidence, and knowledge. But they reached a point where each was fairly well convinced that if they didn't "win," the other would destroy them. They'd lose their funding, perhaps their reputations, and perhaps they'd be forgotten or worse, discredited. Much like how Games Workshop apparently has reached the conclusion that if Fantasy doesn't sell as well as 40k, then it's worthless, discredited, not worth funding. No matter what skullduggery is committed, no matter how much basic game design principles are fudged or outright ignored, it's all justified against the extremely unfortunate and wrong idea that simply being modestly successful, riding along in second place, is unacceptable.
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I must disagreen here. I feel like the new age of Sigmar bears very little resemblence to a set of rules forced to get mean and fight hard to stay relevant. Perhaps bitterness affects me here but it's seems way too sloppy to be something that someone desperate, with a mean streak in their eye, worked on with a lot of heart.
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Leperflesh posted:Much like how Games Workshop apparently has reached the conclusion that if Fantasy doesn't sell as well as 40k, then it's worthless, discredited, not worth funding. No matter what skullduggery is committed, no matter how much basic game design principles are fudged or outright ignored, it's all justified against the extremely unfortunate and wrong idea that simply being modestly successful, riding along in second place, is unacceptable. I'm still interested to see what the actual release is like, and might even try playing it at a game store some day, but mostly I'm very interested to see what they do to all the factions with the new releases. Are they going to keep the undead combined and just forget about the egyptian stuff? What new armies will spring from the minds of Games Workshop's talented pool of writers? The future is grand. I'm putting money on rock people. Made of rocks.
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The idea that "survival of the fittest" means being mean and lean is wrong and even Darwin never intended it to mean "nature red in tooth and claw." Nature constantly experiments. We do not yet know if Age of Sigmarr is going to survive this little mutation or not. It may be that, in the broader population of Warhammer Fantasy species, it's doomed. Perhaps it is trying to occupy a niche already occupied by better-adapted species, like Kings of War. Or perhaps, much like a peacock, all the energy spent on being pretty will outweigh the costs of otherwise-useless decoration, and a thoroughly unpleasant and disgusting bird that happens to have brilliant feathers will prosper. It's too early to tell.
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Warhammer Fantasy Battles : Perhaps, much like a peacock,
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What's the quickest turnaround time for a new release of a line being produced, marketed, sold, and then dropped entirely in this industry? I don't know these things but am curious.
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"marketed" I'm sure there have been miniatures or game products that were dead-on-arrival. Recently, Palladium has managed to declare their robotech miniatures game to be obsolete and needing a different scale, before all of their kickstarter backers have even received their first shipments. But then again, that's taken like 2+ years, so it wasn't exactly quick.
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Leperflesh posted:The idea that "survival of the fittest" means being mean and lean is wrong and even Darwin never intended it to mean "nature red in tooth and claw." The zoo around here has peacocks that can wander around the whole place, and their cries sound like goosing someone hooked up to a Super Bowl sound system.
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Sharkopath posted:What's the quickest turnaround time for a new release of a line being produced, marketed, sold, and then dropped entirely in this industry? 6th edition 40k codices?
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Leperflesh posted:"marketed" Tentatively I would say Dreadfleet sank at the dock. There are many many games that fail. Star Trek the Not Xwing game imploded rapidly with its Borg expansion.
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Eh, Dreadfleet, it's tough. That was always a limited-edition one-off boxed game. It may not have sold out everywhere, but when it's a product that was never intended to get ongoing support, how do you define its failure? We don't know if GW sold enough to make a profit or not. I bought one. The ships are gorgeous. One of these days I'll get around to finishing painting the second ship I started, so I can try the game. Once. Just to see how bad it is, before I come up with completely custom rules using all the gorgeous game pieces and the super-nice cloth game mat.
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If you have any love for ship games I would recommend Dreadfleets models if you can get them for like 30 or 40. Hell you could use them in DND or mount them on comets for BF Gothic. You could use one as a war wagon thing in Epic. Use one as a centerpeice for a unit in Kings of War, The Game of Fantasy Battles. There are even a couple reasonable fan edits of the rules. Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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Leperflesh posted:Eh, Dreadfleet, it's tough. That was always a limited-edition one-off boxed game. It may not have sold out everywhere, but when it's a product that was never intended to get ongoing support, how do you define its failure? We don't know if GW sold enough to make a profit or not. By "it may not have sold out everywhere" you mean it didn't sell any copies, like, at all
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Warhammer 40k: Beer and pretzels. Age of Sigmar: Juice and orange slices. Warhammer fantasy: kool-aid and cyanide.
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Whoa now. I don't appreciate all this BULBASAURUS doxxing over the last page. Looking at you Leperflesh.Locomotive breath posted:Adeptus Fantasia 
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Broken Loose posted:By "it may not have sold out everywhere" you mean it didn't sell any copies, like, at all The stores in my area sold out. For a while just after it came out, it was pretty hard to find. A couple re-stocked, I got it for my birthday, and then it was gone again. My understanding is that US copies mostly sold out, but from a relatively limited initial stocking, while UK copies didn't sell out, GW having reserved a lot more for themselves. There are no reliable sales numbers for the product, though, so unless you have access to an internal GW report on it or something, it's all just handwaving and speculation.
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