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frenchnewwave posted:Hi I'm bad at watching tv. Remind me why/when all 3 cops were told to mess up the investigation? I don't remember that but everyone likes to mumble on this show and I didn't think to put subtitles on. I think it's less that all 3 of them are trying to mess up the investigation than that all 3 have ulterior motives other than simply solving the case (which are based on directives coming from higher-ups). Ray is trying to keep both Vinci (who want him to deflect negative attention away from them) and Frank (who wants the killer dead and his money back) happy, Antigone is working at cross-purposes to Velcoro and using this case to gather evidence of the corruption in Vinci for the state to take down people like Frank and the mayor, and Paul (the highway patrol dude) seems like he's going to play along with whatever other directives the state gives him to get a real opportunity for advancement without his heinous reputation working for a mercenary outfit holding him back. Ray has a theory that nobody wants the case to be solved, which he tells Antigone, but we have no idea if that's actually true and if it isn't, whether Ray actually believes it or is trying to deflect suspicion from Vinci onto other departments. Baku fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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The way that dude reacted to any possibility other than him loving his motorcycle was funny, and the paragraphs of texts you've posted defending him are funny in a similar fashion.
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Jul 1, 2015 02:08
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Why is it so hard to hear the dialogue on this show? I keep having to rewind to find out what the hell they said. STOP MUMBLING/WHISPERING!
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Jul 1, 2015 02:55
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TheAngryDrunk posted:Why is it so hard to hear the dialogue on this show? I keep having to rewind to find out what the hell they said. STOP MUMBLING/WHISPERING! I'm surprised people are just noticing this now. This has been a thing for "Prestige" dramas since forever (although I guess it was more of a movie thing since I can't think of TV examples off of the top of my head right now).
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Jul 1, 2015 03:04
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TheAngryDrunk posted:Why is it so hard to hear the dialogue on this show? I keep having to rewind to find out what the hell they said. STOP MUMBLING/WHISPERING! I feel like it must be me getting old so I'm glad there are at least a few old farts on the forums who have the same problem. Stuff like TDK and Interstellar were just egregious so maybe this is an actual trend. I don't really care to blast the tv like a senior citizen if there's gonna be a lot of yelling and shooting and 'splosions and poo poo though.
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Jul 1, 2015 03:10
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The only dialogue I found hard to hear were parts of Vince's opening monologue. Speaking of which, holy poo poo this show is good. I liked the first episode but this one was like whoah
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Jul 1, 2015 03:11
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NoDamage posted:Literally no one (in this thread, anyway) suggested that turning down the blowjob was evidence that he was gay. Stalling for time so you can take Viagra before you're about to have sex though? Being gay, having PTSD, or having some other form of ED are all possible explanations. There wasn't enough information after episode 1 to know for sure. Really, there still isn't. I think the guy getting upset about people thinking the character was gay after episode 1 was making perfectly reasonable arguments, with the understanding that he worked from the assumption of a certain degree of competence in the writing. I understand people laughing at that guy when episode 2 made it more obvious, dude is gay, but I think you should be laughing at him for assuming a certain degree of competence in the writing. But mostly, I feel like it's dumb for people to continue to argue the point when the actor has basically said, yeah, dude is a closet case. Please feel free to mock me ruthlessly if it turns out that I am wrong in thinking that even Nic Pizzolatto isn't dumb/arrogant enough to dispatch Taylor Kitsch with the mission of giving a perfectly disingenuous interview to the media in which admissions that his character is the spawn of Satan are cleverly disguised as him talking about the character's denial of his homosexuality. Or mock me ruthlessly now! We're all making our own entertainment here.
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Jul 1, 2015 03:25
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Jul 1, 2015 03:33
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kloa posted:Bike fucker is gay? Yes, for his bike.
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Jul 1, 2015 03:36
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I bet he gave his bike a boy's name.
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Jul 1, 2015 03:43
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Velcoro definitely wasn't wearing body armor, but it's almost certain those were non-lethal ammo rounds
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Jul 1, 2015 03:57
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computer parts posted:I'm surprised people are just noticing this now. This has been a thing for "Prestige" dramas since forever (although I guess it was more of a movie thing since I can't think of TV examples off of the top of my head right now). Hannibal is the worst offender, made worse by Mads' Danish accent.
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Jul 1, 2015 05:00
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Black Bones posted:Velcoro definitely wasn't wearing body armor, but it's almost certain those were non-lethal ammo rounds Definitely beanbag rounds, but I wonder why he did the followup shot. He was already down.
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Jul 1, 2015 05:00
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He's either gay or he hates gay people (or both), based on his use of "fag" and staring longingly at the male prostitute. Otherwise his writing doesn't make sense.
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Jul 1, 2015 05:01
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:One would think that fight or flight would kick in and that one wouldn't have the chance to think to themselves "oh, why bother? I wanted to kill myself anyway" /lays there. Likely, the whole cheap hubbub about 'is he dead or alive' is simply not important. Either he is, and the show will shift to the other characters, or he isn't, and we'll get to see what will happen when Ray almost gets his death wish. solovyov posted:I think the guy getting upset about people thinking the character was gay after episode 1 was making perfectly reasonable arguments, with the understanding that he worked from the assumption of a certain degree of competence in the writing. I understand people laughing at that guy when episode 2 made it more obvious, dude is gay, but I think you should be laughing at him for assuming a certain degree of competence in the writing. Although, yeah, closeted gay is played out. Although this show is a detective story about a secret sex society set in California. I'm not really sure if it wants to break new ground.
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Jul 1, 2015 05:12
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I hope the next episodes starts with the bike cop blowing some dude while fretting about being late for Ray's wake. Cut to Rachel McAdams rubbing one out in the funeral parlor bathroom.
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meristem posted:This is silly. I was one of the people who, before you posted the interview, doubted whether we were supposed to necessarily assume he was gay and closeted. But "doubting" was never "putting that completely off the table". As far as the show stands (if we ignored / forgot the information from the interview), as of episode 2, Bike Cop has problems with heterosexual sex. This means that, as of episode 2, he could be gay. Presumably, something happens in the coming episodes to, I dunno, clarify this without the need for metadata. Silly is you reading the post where I quoted the interview and ignoring the part where I acknowledged that where we currently stand, in show, is what you described. It doesn't seem like we disagree! I'm not telling people they're idiots for not seeing, based on the show alone, that the guy is gay. I'm saying, the show has done some odd things that created confusion on the point, that don't really seem designed to be suspenseful, and here's some metadata clearing it up so maybe people can stop making GBS threads on each other over it. (Admittedly, I have also said if you thought he was totes gay based on the first episode, you are an idiot, but you are probably exactly the idiot the writer is writing for, so congrats.)
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ruddiger posted:I hope the next episodes starts with the bike cop blowing some dude while fretting about being late for Ray's wake. Cut to Rachel McAdams rubbing one out in the funeral parlor bathroom. Fan4Life.
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Jul 1, 2015 05:36
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Well if this Cry Wolfe episode is any indication apparently everyone in LA has Fidelio kind of nights.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:27
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i want people to solve a mystery and also maybe do some hosed up poo poo because they're flawed if theres wieners involved thats also cool
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Jul 1, 2015 07:46
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solovyov posted:(Admittedly, I have also said if you thought he was totes gay based on the first episode, you are an idiot, No, you're I don't know how many times I'm going to have to repeat myself, but yeah if you were paying any attention to the scene at all it was obviously more than ED.
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Jul 1, 2015 08:20
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solovyov posted:I don't think I'm trying to personally attack the show runners, there's just some unavoidable implications when pointing out "great job, guys, people working from uninformed and silly presumptions were the first people to figure out this character is gay!" Like, it's probably not a coincidence that those people saw turning down the bj/using viagra as signs of Gay, the show runners saw it that way too. I think you're mixing up a bunch of things. The show is adopting a mystery structure where unusual character behavior and events are explained by future reveals. It doesn't follow that every retroactively explained situation ("he couldn't have accepted the BJ because he's uninterested in women") was intended to work both ways, forward and backward. The Sixth Sense famously uses a late reveal to recontextualize old scenes, but that doesn't mean that M. Night Shyamalan assumes that we should assume that every character who has a one-sided conversation in every paranormal movie is actually a ghost. Periodiko fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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TheAngryDrunk posted:Definitely beanbag rounds, but I wonder why he did the followup shot. He was already down. I mean it probably wasn't necessary to drive the city manager's body all the way out to a roadside rest stop and sit him up with his ID on his lap, but some people just like going the extra mile
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Borrowed Ladder posted:Otherwise his writing doesn't make sense. I think you solved the case.
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Okay, I'll address possibly the most distressing part of episode 2. There was a prostitute dressed as a troll from Homestuck. Maybe Vinci is the internet itself. Most people visit, not many people live in, depravity everywhere, Homestuck. It all checks out.
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Gazaar posted:That or being shot
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Periodiko posted:I think you're mixing up a bunch of things. The show is adopting a mystery structure where unusual character behavior and events are explained by future reveals. It doesn't follow that every retroactively explained situation ("he couldn't have accepted the BJ because he's uninterested in women") was intended to work both ways, forward and backward. "Mixing up a bunch of things" = analysis and synthesis. I'm actually being pretty precise, but you and others are taking my precise statements and broadening them out in to strawmen. I'm not arguing that every retroactively explained situation is intended to work both ways. I'm pointing out places where it did work both ways for a certain segment of the audience and theorizing that this is not a coincidence, that segment of the audience did the best job of discerning authorial intent. My consideration of the audience is not limited to posts in this thread. Have you not seen these responses? The people who after episode one were all "what the hell is wrong with bike cop, turning down a bj from that hot lady? Is he gay?" Do you not believe that they exist? You're at least halfway there to their way of thinking if you believe the highway stop scene even needs retroactive explanation. This wasn't a hot lady in a bar offering him a bj while he's off duty. Cop turns down "you get off, I get off" should not be a mystery. HOT SQUATS posted:I don't know how many times I'm going to have to repeat myself, but yeah if you were paying any attention to the scene at all it was obviously more than ED. It would be helpful if each time you repeated yourself on this point you included the part where you characterize it as a "rape scene."
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Jul 1, 2015 14:41
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Please stop posting. Both here and elsewhere.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:23
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What the gently caress happened in here
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Jul 1, 2015 15:23
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The most tiresome discussion about the most tiresome topic.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:27
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Bown posted:What the gently caress happened in here True. Detective. *puts on sunglasses* YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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solovyov posted:"Mixing up a bunch of things" = analysis and synthesis. I'm actually being pretty precise, but you and others are taking my precise statements and broadening them out in to strawmen. I'm not arguing that every retroactively explained situation is intended to work both ways. I'm pointing out places where it did work both ways for a certain segment of the audience and theorizing that this is not a coincidence, that segment of the audience did the best job of discerning authorial intent. My consideration of the audience is not limited to posts in this thread. Have you not seen these responses? The people who after episode one were all "what the hell is wrong with bike cop, turning down a bj from that hot lady? Is he gay?" Do you not believe that they exist? You're at least halfway there to their way of thinking if you believe the highway stop scene even needs retroactive explanation. This wasn't a hot lady in a bar offering him a bj while he's off duty. Cop turns down "you get off, I get off" should not be a mystery. I wish I could care about a tv enough to be this much of a sperg about it.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:38
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solovyov posted:Sorry, I was too subtle. If watching a guy take Viagra to get it up with his pretty girlfriend makes you think "he's gay," you might be a dumbass. If watching a law enforcement officer refuse the offer of sexual services from a pretty girl in exchange for leniency makes you think "he's gay," you might be a dumbass. If those two scenarios are the way you choose to communicate to the audience that a character is gay, you might be both a dumbass and the writer of True Detective. I was just sorta half paying attention the first episode, but he just looked really gay to me.
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Finally got to watch ep2 last night. I'm loving Farrel's character and was disappointed to see him killed but read a few pages back and see that he probably or definitely lives. The best scene was the conversation with he and his ex. Frankly he's killing it. Also read the bitching about Vaughn which I just don't see. He's a powerful man with a ton of insecurity and it shows here and there. The hints of a much larger story are at the edges which is great. The "we are supposed to fail" (or whatever Farrel says exactly) line, the mask and sex worker connection - there are all clues that there is something much larger looming and it's being fed at a nice pace to the characters and us. Good poo poo. Oh and whoever thought the CHP guy was gay from ep1 props to you cause I thought that was absurd until welp here it comes. This season has awfully big shoes to fill but so far it's doing it for me.
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Sickening posted:I wish I could care about a tv enough to be this much of a sperg about it. Different people display different degrees of interests in different things. (Also, thanks for the laugh when I checked your post history wondering "what is it that Sickening does care about enough to comment on?")
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solovyov posted:Different people display different degrees of interests in different things. (Also, thanks for the laugh when I checked your post history wondering "what is it that Sickening does care about enough to comment on?") Nobody cares mate.
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Jul 1, 2015 15:58
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But what if Moto Cop is not gay, but transgender?
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Jul 1, 2015 16:00
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It is us...we are the bird man. Murdering this show and its characters with our analyses.
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Jul 1, 2015 16:04
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What if the birdman is actually Rust Cohle?!?!
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