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Irony Be My Shield posted:Other than Chandra the walkers all seem pretty playable. Lilliana's my favorite. I've always had a thing for reanimation strategies. Although I don't like that opponents can dictate when she flips.
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I think she'll be good if there's a playable sac outlet in standard, and I have high hopes for Evolutionary Leap.
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Jul 2, 2015 05:20
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Rinkles posted:Lilliana's my favorite. I've always had a thing for reanimation strategies. Although I don't like that opponents can dictate when she flips. You're in black, the color of sacrificing poo poo. Fleshbag Marauder will flip her. Or use Evolutionary Leap or something. Or have Chandra's folks launch a gold-forged sentinel as Liliana weeps. "N-no... I loved you statue-sempai..."
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No picture because I dont feel like watching it but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAFHjDKl2NQ Mage-Ring Responder 7 Artifact Creature - Golem R Mage-Ring Responder doesn't untap during your untap step 7: Untap Mage-Ring Responder Whenever Mage-Ring Responder attacks, it deals 7 damage to target creature defending player controls 7/7
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Jul 2, 2015 05:23
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I wanna make a robot deck.
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Jul 2, 2015 05:24
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And Sigil of the Empty Throne confirmed as well.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:You're in black, the color of sacrificing poo poo. Fleshbag Marauder will flip her. Or use Evolutionary Leap or something. Or have Chandra's folks launch a gold-forged sentinel as Liliana weeps. "N-no... I loved you statue-sempai..." Not sure why you're implying I thought flipping her would be hard. Though I missed that she actually protects herself from "an EoT kill another one of your creatures, attack her, denying you any value", since a zombie pops up to block.
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Jul 2, 2015 05:25
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Rinkles posted:Not sure why you're implying I thought flipping her would be hard. Your opponent doesn't completely dictate when she flips because there are some fine sac outlets into which to put Liliana's sempais and onii-chans.
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Jul 2, 2015 05:28
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Your opponent doesn't completely dictate when she flips because there are some fine sac outlets into which to put Liliana's sempais and onii-chans. Duh, I just meant they can flip her at inopportune times.
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Those cards mentioned earlier  (Obviously Sigil reprint is from Planechase; preview was foreign) Rinkles fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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Jul 2, 2015 05:31
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the golem reminds me of phyrexian colossus
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Jul 2, 2015 05:33
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Rinkles posted:Those cards mentioned earlier "Get this loving ring off my head!"
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Jul 2, 2015 05:34
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Bugsy posted:"Get this loving ring off my head!" "SOME TEENAGERS PUT IT ON ME WHILE I WAS SLEEPING THIS ISN'T A JOKE GUYS"
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Jul 2, 2015 05:34
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I'm glad they finally brought back Aladdin's Ring.
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Jul 2, 2015 05:37
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Bugsy posted:"Get this loving ring off my head!" Who was it who had the avatar of Elesh Norn saying, "I CAN'T FIT THROUGH FUCKIN DOORS!"? Because it seems she's started a trend of crazy poo poo on people's heads.
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Eidolon of Blossom's time to shine (again)  edit: Holy poo poo throw in a couple Pharikas and you've got the makings of something beautiful. Alris fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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Jul 2, 2015 05:42
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Zemyla posted:Who was it who had the avatar of Elesh Norn saying, "I CAN'T FIT THROUGH FUCKIN DOORS!"? Because it seems she's started a trend of crazy poo poo on people's heads. Karona is pretty crazy. It's like Beetlejuice when he turns into the circus game with the head-batwings.
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Jul 2, 2015 05:45
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Karona is pretty crazy. It's like Beetlejuice when he turns into the circus game with the head-batwings. Everything about Karona was weird and bad. Her card is weird and bad, her art is weird, and the book in which she stars in is weird and bad and also has a plot that makes no sense.
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Jul 2, 2015 05:50
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Rinkles posted:Duh, I just meant they can flip her at inopportune times. I feel like it's actually really hard to do that. It's going to be very rare that flipped Liliana + zombie is worse than just creature Liliana.
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Jul 2, 2015 05:54
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ShadeofBlue posted:I feel like it's actually really hard to do that. It's going to be very rare that flipped Liliana + zombie is worse than just creature Liliana. EoT kill thing, flip, kill your Lili with a flier.
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Jul 2, 2015 05:59
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Again the only way to know something is from Jaceworld is making the rings super obvious and prominent in the art.
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Jul 2, 2015 06:03
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set so far looks pretty fun to draft, there's a lot of strong cards without (seemingly) any gamebreaking pack rat-level rares
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Jul 2, 2015 06:12
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On further reading this wouldn't work with Pharika's ability, would it?
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Jul 2, 2015 06:15
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Alris posted:On further reading this wouldn't work with Pharika's ability, would it? Nope, creating snakes wont count
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Alris posted:On further reading this wouldn't work with Pharika's ability, would it? "Cast an enchantment"
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Rinkles posted:Do explain. People are upset that there is no good land based ramp in the current meta, so she seems like the hardest to flip. She has some of the strongest abilities, but unless people see rampant growth really soon, they're going to ignore her. When she was first anounced, the only spell that got you lands onto the battlefield was explosive vegetation, and while that does a lot (turn 3 nissa, turn 4 play the land she got you and explosive veggies, turn 5, hope you've naturally drawn 4 lands in the past 11 cards or hope you got one other piece of land ramp) it means she is basically, as it stands, the only walker who can't transform on turn 3. People in the thread, and out of it are terrible at predicting future metas, so they look at the right now, and honestly right now Nissa is garbage. Her legendary token dies to siege rhino and Tasty Tasi, and languish as was recently spoiled. Comparing her to Sarkhan, the other effectively 5 mana walker in this meta, she draws you a card with a slight bonus (sarkhan ramps, she puts the land into play) Sakrhan gets you a dragon that also dies to languish and loses to SR and Tap-dancing Tasigur. Sarkhan's Ult gets you a bunch of beef, that will answer most everyboard, but Ults are fake and sarkhan does not see play either. The only current deck that might want her is abzan, and abzan does not want to get to 7 lands. Huh... Sarkhan and Nissa have a lot in common actually. weird. It is also human to not want to change your opinion after you've made it, so even if good land ramp shows up and she secretly become viable, unless someone wins a GP with her, they will insist Nissa is bad.
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Wurzag posted:Nope, creating snakes wont count My dreams of throwing snakes and angels at people... shattered... 
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Jul 2, 2015 06:27
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Rinkles posted:Those cards mentioned earlier Conflux, actually.
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Gensuki posted:People are upset that there is no good land based ramp in the current meta, so she seems like the hardest to flip. She has some of the strongest abilities, but unless people see rampant growth really soon, they're going to ignore her. When she was first anounced, the only spell that got you lands onto the battlefield was explosive vegetation, and while that does a lot (turn 3 nissa, turn 4 play the land she got you and explosive veggies, turn 5, hope you've naturally drawn 4 lands in the past 11 cards or hope you got one other piece of land ramp) it means she is basically, as it stands, the only walker who can't transform on turn 3. nissa sounds a lot better when you think of her as not a planeswalker, but as a civic wayfinder that, if you happen to draw it late game, either draws you a card every turn until its answered or becomes a 4/4. whether there's a deck that is OK playing civic wayfinder is yet to be seen, and maybe there won't be but if there is she's really really good.
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Star Man posted:Conflux, actually. That reprint is from planechase. Gensuki posted:People are upset that there is no good land based ramp in the current meta, so she seems like the hardest to flip. She has some of the strongest abilities, but unless people see rampant growth really soon, they're going to ignore her. When she was first anounced, the only spell that got you lands onto the battlefield was explosive vegetation, and while that does a lot (turn 3 nissa, turn 4 play the land she got you and explosive veggies, turn 5, hope you've naturally drawn 4 lands in the past 11 cards or hope you got one other piece of land ramp) it means she is basically, as it stands, the only walker who can't transform on turn 3. I don't pretend to know what I'm talking about, but I wanted to hear why Snorkel thought Chandra was better.
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Nissa is currently mediocre because the ramp in this format is both creature based (mystic, caryatid, voyaging satyr) and devotion based (nykthos.) The extant and actively playable land-based ramp is courser of kruphix and satyr wayfinder. That's it.
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GeneX posted:Nissa is currently mediocre because the ramp in this format is both creature based (mystic, caryatid, voyaging satyr) and devotion based (nykthos.) The extant and actively playable land-based ramp is courser of kruphix and satyr wayfinder. That's it. And neither of those ramp, so...
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basically nissa and gideon are the only two walkers that have any chance because they're the only useful ones if they never turn into walkers. i guess lili is questionable but i dont particularly like her.
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Jul 2, 2015 06:45
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TheKingofSprings posted:And neither of those ramp, so... They're obviously not ramp in the sense of "this card immediately gives you more mana available soon", but they do let you draw and play more lands.
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:basically nissa and gideon are the only two walkers that have any chance because they're the only useful ones if they never turn into walkers. i guess lili is questionable but i dont particularly like her. Merfolk Looter has been playable in the past and may still be playable now, especially with so much delve in the format.
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Jul 2, 2015 06:50
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Rinkles posted:That reprint is from planechase.
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Jul 2, 2015 06:50
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Nissa looks positively embarrassing next to Courser, but I guess maybe it'll be the best option once it rotates.
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Jul 2, 2015 06:54
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TheKingofSprings posted:Merfolk Looter has been playable in the past and may still be playable now, especially with so much delve in the format. idk maybe, i dont like him because its kind of awkward if you dont want to flip him, but if there's a deck that wants to play a bunch of tasigurs and anglers and maybe sometimes flashback a downfall he could see play. i think hes a little too clunky though im willing to be wrong
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Mikujin posted:Planechase was the reprint. Yes that's what I've been saying. E:The pictured card was the Planescape reprint. I think that's clear enough.
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I feel like someone will figure out a good "enchantments matter" brew with Origins for the scant few months before Theros rotates out.
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