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icantfindaname: Jul 1, 2008

I mean they're not hard to address, just throw out all academic research from PRC China. It's not like Soviet academia dealt a death blow to the academic humanities establishment

# ? Jul 1, 2015 23:46

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Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Don't worry guys, China knows who the real culprit behind their economic woe is.

quote:

China�s stock market roller-coaster has been especially steep this week, with the Shanghai Composite Index entering bear market territory, then falling 5% on Tuesday only to rise more than that before they closed. Already today, we�ve seen more of the same in Shanghai.

What�s behind the high volatility? China�s amateur stock investors have some ideas.

Despite the Chinese government�s ban on passing along rumors on the internet, several anonymous or unsourced posts on Sina Weibo, the popular microblogging site, point figures at one country�the US.

One blogger posted what he said his �securities trader friend� told him on June 29�foreign investors, and particularly ones from the US, shorted Chinese stock markets on the very day that the new China-led development bank, AIIB, was launched in order to hurt China�s confidence.

Another unnamed post that spread quickly on social media on this week blames a US investment bank for the drop, saying it invested tens of billions of yuan through a Hong Kong-based fund to sell the Shanghai Composite Index futures short. �The enemies are obvious. Capitalism never gives up on trying to defeat us. An international financial battle is coming,� the post reads.

The Chinese government and big state-owned institutional investors, who have been supporting markets, are being held up as national heroes online, and China�s small-time investors have dubbed them the �national team.�

One cartoon being quickly passed along online in China shows the Chinese Red Army liberating a woman villager and her daughter. The soldiers are tagged with the names of China�s big public funds and institutions, as well as investment banks Central Huijin and CICC. �Finally, we get you back!� the woman in the cartoon says to the soldiers. �Those foreign devils really f-cked the folks up when you were not around.�

No one knows for sure if these posts were made by independent individuals, or by the so-called 50 cent party�internet commentators that are hired by the government. In any case, not everyone is buying them. �Investing fully in stocks is being patriotic,� reads one sarcastic post. �Let�s go!�

And one blogger wrote: �Not only the stock culture, but our culture as a whole is like this: As long as something bad happens to us, its a conspiracy of the American Empire.�

# ? Jul 2, 2015 03:26

Fall Sick and Die: Nov 22, 2003

Ah yes, the ancient enemy of the Chinese people and their stock bubble, capitalism

# ? Jul 2, 2015 03:43

Xerxes17: Feb 17, 2011

"This deeply hurts the feelings of the Chinese ~~people~~ stock market."

# ? Jul 2, 2015 04:10

Grand Fromage: Jan 30, 2006; L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?

Broken Cog posted:

Haha holy poo poo, do you have any sources/articles on this?

This isn't the same thing but Korean department stores are famous/in trouble for it. They have set quotas for sales and if those aren't met they force employees to buy the remainder. There are a lot of employees who have gone bankrupt with massive credit card debt because of how much they were forced to buy in order to inflate the company's sales figures.

# ? Jul 2, 2015 04:30

GhostofJohnMuir: Aug 14, 2014; anime is not good

Grand Fromage posted:

This isn't the same thing but Korean department stores are famous/in trouble for it. They have set quotas for sales and if those aren't met they force employees to buy the remainder. There are a lot of employees who have gone bankrupt with massive credit card debt because of how much they were forced to buy in order to inflate the company's sales figures.

How is it that the threat of being fired outweighs the threat of crippling personal debt? Having zero income is bad, but it's better than negative income.

# ? Jul 2, 2015 04:35

Grand Fromage: Jan 30, 2006; L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?

You'd have to stand up to the boss. It'd probably also be a lot harder to get a new job once they find out you're the type of person who won't just do anything the boss tells you to do.

For a lot of people the idea that you could do something other than what the boss tells you to do probably wouldn't even occur to them.

# ? Jul 2, 2015 04:44

oohhboy: Jun 8, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Grand Fromage posted:

You'd have to stand up to the boss. It'd probably also be a lot harder to get a new job once they find out you're the type of person who won't just do anything the boss tells you to do.

For a lot of people the idea that you could do something other than what the boss tells you to do probably wouldn't even occur to them.

Standing up for yourself is not behaviour Chinese Bosses expects. They get you to bend over and get some lube if they are generous. So yeah, I don't interact with them well since I always call them on their BS since they are actively loving you over. That's not to say you don't get rear end in a top hat bosses elsewhere, but they are hosed up in both scope of their illegal behaviour and prevalence. Just to the top of my head 4/5 Chinese bosses I either worked under or were looking to get a job with were just looking to gently caress things over for another dollar or to feed their 5000 year old ego.

Feel free to gently caress these guys over whenever you find them, they deserve it.

# ? Jul 2, 2015 06:05

VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

The last thing I did at my first China job was look for something to gently caress the company with. The first thing I did at my second China job was look for something to gently caress the company with.

Honestly, I think I'll be making a habit of this everywhere I go in the future.

# ? Jul 2, 2015 06:11

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

BREAKING: China's propaganda ministry orders state media to publish positive opinions about stock market, NOT to criticize - media sources

George Chen
Verified account
‏@george_chen

https://twitter.com/george_chen/status/616440663878402048

# ? Jul 2, 2015 06:12

Grand Fromage: Jan 30, 2006; L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?

Yeah I had ammo stored for both my hagwon jobs in Korea. Getting hosed is more of a when than if issue at those places. Though my first one was actually good to me, having it for the second was very handy when the time came.

# ? Jul 2, 2015 06:13

TheBalor: Jun 18, 2001

Grand Fromage posted:

Yeah I had ammo stored for both my hagwon jobs in Korea. Getting hosed is more of a when than if issue at those places. Though my first one was actually good to me, having it for the second was very handy when the time came.

What kind of ammo? Might be useful to be on the lookout for in my current job.

# ? Jul 2, 2015 13:27

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

.357 magnum.

# ? Jul 2, 2015 13:32

simplefish: Mar 28, 2011; So long, and thanks for all the ~~fish~~ gallbladdΣrs!

I finally know what One Road One Belt means

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOIJbJ1Kw2s

# ? Jul 2, 2015 14:18

Grand Fromage: Jan 30, 2006; L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?

TheBalor posted:

What kind of ammo? Might be useful to be on the lookout for in my current job.

I don't want to pull the thread way off topic but basically every hagwon is breaking the law to some extent and you get some records of that, which you can threaten to give to the cops/labor board with if they try to gently caress you. People working illegally, tax evasion, students kept past the mandatory closing time, that sort of thing. I don't know how well it'd go if you had to carry through but in my experience and that of friends, the threat is sufficient. Your job's done but you get your final pay and release letter and such.

# ? Jul 2, 2015 14:26

The Great Autismo!: Mar 3, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

My suggestion is to work for good companies that don't screw you and take care of you, hope this helps

# ? Jul 2, 2015 14:35

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

goldboilermark posted:

My suggestion is to work for good companies that don't screw you and take care of you, hope this helps

Haven't had a laugh like that in a while, tah muchly.

# ? Jul 2, 2015 15:17

Lucy Heartfilia: May 31, 2012

There are no companies that don't gently caress you over, because all companies exploit your labor to serve fat cat capitalists.

:colbert:

# ? Jul 2, 2015 17:47

Trammel: Dec 31, 2007; .

Broken Cog posted:

Haha holy poo poo, do you have any sources/articles on this?

Well, I know Bank of China, a retail bank has explicit sales targets for its tellers.

Tellers are expected to make a minimum number of new accounts, new signups to internet banking, new signups to phone banking and a minimum amount deposited by "their" customers each month and sign up customers for the new insurance products or saving products that are being advertised that month.

An employees first few months at the bank literally consists of them begging friends and relatives to open accounts, to start the ball rolling. It's like Amway for credit cards.

The basic contractual wages are 2300 RMB a month, and "bonuses" make up roughly the other half of their income, which are not paid unless the targets are met.

If the staff members money box has less money than it should at the end of the day (mistakes are made), then they are expected to pay personally and unofficially to make up the difference. If they report the discrepancy, then the whole branch loses their bonuses.

If a staff member is conned (sleight of hand, fake money, etc.) the same rules apply. Reporting such a theft to the police is not allowed, and the thousands of RMB stolen is expected to be provided before the bank closes by the staff member. If it was to be reported, then all staff would lose their bonuses, and that particular staff member would be in the line managers poo poo-list forever.

Weekly branch meetings are held where the boss berates those staff members who didn't make their targets for being useless, and monthly area meetings are held where whole branches, and the branch manager in particular are berated for failing to meet targets.

Bank tellers are also required to surrender their passports and any other travel documents (Hong Kong, Taiwan permits, etc.) The government has provided each branch with a list of who has what travel documents, and the managers are responsible for collecting them. Staff have been informed that not handing over their documents will result in them being put on a "no-travel" list.

Staff are expected to work arbitrary hours & days, in complete violation of Chinese labour laws and their own contracts, but it's Bank of China, so who's going to sue them?

Bank of China is literally making profits from it's own staff members, who shrug, while family members tell them they're lucky to work in a such a secure position, where in 10 or 15 years they can make lots of money from contacts and guanxi.

# ? Jul 3, 2015 04:20

The Great Autismo!: Mar 3, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Trammel posted:

Bank of China is literally making profits from it's own staff members, who shrug, while family members tell them they're lucky to work in a such a secure position, where in 10 or 15 years they can make lots of money from contacts and guanxi.

LOL

# ? Jul 3, 2015 04:25

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

You're describing car sales in the US- magnificent. Do you have a source we can use?

# ? Jul 3, 2015 05:04

VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

Grand Fromage posted:

I don't want to pull the thread way off topic but basically every hagwon is breaking the law to some extent and you get some records of that, which you can threaten to give to the cops/labor board with if they try to gently caress you. People working illegally, tax evasion, students kept past the mandatory closing time, that sort of thing. I don't know how well it'd go if you had to carry through but in my experience and that of friends, the threat is sufficient. Your job's done but you get your final pay and release letter and such.

For me it was copying everything I could from the school network, including a bunch of proprietary courseware that they were really paranoid about. My first job I am the only person who quit that year who got paid everything they were owed, probably because my boss knew I'd copied at least some stuff. At my second job, I only got paid my flight reimbursement because I made vague threats, which were backed up by the same thing...only at this place I'd gotten a ton of marketing files that I'm sure another school would have liked to have had.

# ? Jul 3, 2015 05:10

Trammel: Dec 31, 2007; .

Discendo Vox posted:

You're describing car sales in the US- magnificent. Do you have a source we can use?

Just regularly talking with a BoC employee from deciding to work there; Family advice was positive, I tried to explain what technology and drive for profits had done to branches in foreign countries, but I was always told "China is different".

Then watching the starting drive for accounts from family and friends. Then regular updates and stories about the working conditions over the last two years, to finally telling the boss about quitting.

# ? Jul 3, 2015 05:33

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

quote:

UK officials discussed resettling 5.5m Hong Kong Chinese in Northern Ireland

Official records reveal debate in 1983 over extraordinary plan to move millions of Chinese to Ireland at height of Troubles in runup to handover of colony to Beijing

Government officials raised the idea of resettling the entire five and a half million residents of Hong Kong in Northern Ireland at the height of the Troubles, it has emerged in government documents that have just been released.

The extraordinary proposal, which one civil servant said should be taken seriously, has emerged from a 1983 file released to the National Archives in Kew, in London, on Friday.

The suggestion was made initially by an academic, Christie Davies, a sociology lecturer at Reading University. A city state should be established in Magilligan, between Coleraine and Derry, he said, because the colony�s population would have no political future after the territory reverted to Chinese rule in 1997.

A Northern Ireland civil servant, George Fergusson, seized on the idea and launched into enthusiastic discussions with the Foreign Office. A file entitled The Replantation of N. Ireland from Hong Kong records the exchanges � the title echoes the 17th-century settlement, or �plantation�, of Scots in Ulster by King James I.

Written in an era of sectarian bloodshed and political stalemate, the correspondence reflects the private exasperation of those close to the heart of power. The file was given a �restricted� status but there is nothing to indicate that it ever reached ministers.

�If the plantation were undertaken,� Fergusson wrote, �it would have evident advantages in reassuring Unionist opinion of the open-ended nature of the Union.� American doubts about the scheme would be assuaged by the �possibly happy outcome to the uncertainties currently surrounding Hong Kong�.

He continued: �We are undecided here whether the arrival of 5� million Cantonese would make government policy [on devolution] � more or less easy to implement. Arithmetically, recognition of three identities might be thought more difficult.

�On the other hand, the newly arrived �third� identity would be hard not to recognise and this in turn might lessen the scale of the problem in recognising the other two.�

There were legal precedents, Fergusson added: �If Gibraltar and Falkland Island inhabitants � may be EC citizens, how could Brussels � seriously object to the inhabitants of Hong Kong, particularly if they were living in the Magilligan area?�

Fifty Chinese families from Vietnam had been resettled in Craigavon and Coleraine already, he pointed out. �It has at least established that the Chinese do not find the Northern Ireland climate objectionable and that they can get on reasonably well with the current inhabitants.�

Fergusson said there would be a need to liaise with the Treasury, Home Office and Hong Kong itself. �At this stage we see real advantages in taking the proposals seriously,� he commented. There would need to be planning applications on a confidential basis.

In reply, DR Snoxell, of the FCO�s Republic of Ireland department, adopted a tone that suggested parody as much as caution. He wrote: �You have raised some important considerations to which we shall want to give careful thought.

�My initial reaction, however, is that the proposal could be useful to the extent that 5� million Chinese may induce the indigenous peoples to forsake their homeland for a future elsewhere. Arrangements would, of course, have to be made for [the Chinese] to retain their UK nationality.�

Sovereignty disputes with the Irish republic over Lough Foyle could complicate their resettlement, he added. �The Chinese people of Hong Kong are essentially a fishing and maritime people,� Snoxell said.

�I am sure you would share our view that it would be unwise to settle the people of Hong Kong in the vicinity until we had established our claims on the lough and whether these extended to high or low-water mark.�

Another appreciative official at the FCO had written on the letter: �My mind will be boggling for the rest of the day�.

Although the Chinese community never reached five million, it has contributed to Northern Ireland�s political progress. Anna Lo, originally from Hong Kong, moved to Belfast in 1974, eventually becoming a Stormont assembly member for the Alliance party. She announced last year that she would stand down because of racist attacks by loyalists.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/03/uk-officials-discussed-resettling-55m-hong-kong-chinese-in-northern-ireland

# ? Jul 3, 2015 05:52

Daduzi: Nov 22, 2005; You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/03/uk-officials-discussed-resettling-55m-hong-kong-chinese-in-northern-ireland

The BBC posted:

Mr Snoxell, now retired, revealed the exchange "was a spoof between colleagues who had a sense of humour".

"You can see it wasn't intended seriously," he said.

"Sadly, it's impossible to make jokes like this any more, the Diplomatic Service has lost its sense of humour.

"I think that's a shame because it's through humour that you build relationships, with other departments, with other diplomats at home and abroad."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33361999

# ? Jul 3, 2015 09:27

icantfindaname: Jul 1, 2008

should've taken the offer IMO

# ? Jul 3, 2015 09:30

whatever7: Jul 26, 2001; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Yes send them to Northern Ireland to combat climate change please.

Also there is some empty space in Falkland Island.

# ? Jul 3, 2015 12:49

Vladimir Putin: Mar 17, 2007; by R. Guyovich

I've experienced a little bit of what's described for tellers in BoC from a contact who I know in a Chinese bank with branches in America. It doesn't sound as dire prob because he's working in a U.S. branch but the tellers are pressured into brining in deposits and new accounts and that winds up being their own personal network.

# ? Jul 3, 2015 15:59

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

The collapse of the Chinese coastal economies is imminent so that Hong Kong can successfully invade and provide actual governance to the mainland barbarians.

# ? Jul 3, 2015 19:01

Kill All Cops: Apr 11, 2007; Pacheco de Chocobo; Hell Gem

whatever7 posted:

Also there is some empty space in Falkland Island.

Give the Argentinians and the Natives something to unite over

# ? Jul 3, 2015 19:13

VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

Nonsense posted:

The collapse of the Chinese coastal economies is imminent so that Hong Kong can successfully invade and provide actual governance to the mainland barbarians.

Zhang Han Hua will establish the Coastal Republic

# ? Jul 3, 2015 19:27

whatever7: Jul 26, 2001; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

VideoTapir posted:

Zhang Han Hua will establish the Coastal Republic

I am all for it as long as I can order pizza from uncle Enzo for 30 minute or less.

Also, cave sex.

# ? Jul 3, 2015 20:21

Wibbleman: Apr 19, 2006; Fluffy doesn't want to be sacrificed

So is CCTV the chinese version of fox news or something?

Pay attention to 0:18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ_OJOjzDQk One of the images is not real

# ? Jul 3, 2015 22:35

Chickenwalker: Apr 21, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

Wibbleman posted:

So is CCTV the chinese version of fox news or something?

Pay attention to 0:18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ_OJOjzDQk One of the images is not real

Every channel is the Chinese version of Fox News. They're all state owned or state controlled.

# ? Jul 4, 2015 00:17

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Chickenwalker posted:

Every channel is the Chinese version of Fox News. They're all state owned or state controlled.

Especially the soap operas.

# ? Jul 4, 2015 00:38

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

computer parts posted:

Especially the soap operas.

Taiwanese puppet dramas as way better anyways. :colbert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-OU79maIdk

# ? Jul 4, 2015 00:52

sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

sincx fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Mar 23, 2021

# ? Jul 4, 2015 05:03

Ailumao: Nov 4, 2004

Franks Happy Place posted:

Taiwanese puppet dramas as way better anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-OU79maIdk

Is that in Hokkien or something? I watch a lot of bad Chinese and Taiwanese dramas and I can't understand a lick of that.

I prefer the dramas about the Chinese gangsters in Japanese occupied Shanghai because sometimes they turn into 20 minute long majiang games where they bet their lives!!!!

# ? Jul 7, 2015 04:22

Power Khan: Aug 20, 2011; by Fritz the Horse

Bad things are happening to the chinese stockmarket I heard, how screwed are we in the US and Europe?

# ? Jul 8, 2015 09:57

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# ? May 21, 2024 15:25

Deep State of Mind: Jul 30, 2006; "It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."; Fun Shoe

Not screwed at all. Anyone with even a vague understanding of securities stayed far away from the Chinese stock market because it lacked even a semblance of the integrity of any developed world market. The people who are screwed are the huge multitude of retail investors with grade school educations and the rich and powerful people they will now seek to eat.

# ? Jul 8, 2015 12:38

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