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rabidsquid posted:Why does wotc need to issue a statement covering all possible felonies and the way they relate to your ability to continue playing organized MTG? Because it's absolutely a targeted ban in lieu of an explanation? Like, I have no lost love for the guy, but I still don't think that silent policy bans are good for the game, especially when they also involve shutting the guy's MTGO account down. For lack of a better term, there's more than a couple of Underground Keyboard Dojo Cagefighter types that are absolutely going to start digging up dirt on competitors in hopes they find something, and that's scary to me. Say "no Sex Offenders allowed" - that's fine. Don't pretend it's for no reason and hope it goes away, because it won't and we all know the Magic community at large won't respond appropriately. Niton fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I do think WOTC is being unfair to a sex offender. I think they're being unfair in a very common way that is generally accepted by society at large but I still think they're being unfair. I am not willing to compromise my stance on treatment of offenders just because it occasionally leads me to uncomfortable positions. lmao i'm glad you're brave enough to stand up for the sacred rights of rapists to play wizard poker and will not be moved, no matter how much it might affect others so brave 
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Tonetta posted:yeah gently caress this stupid game and community bye find a friendgroup to play with if you still like the game it's not worth letting the community have that too but yeah this was a healthy decision for me to make also a dozen swans fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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Gonna keep quoting this informative post because at this point Spoiler chat is less loving terrible than this loving rape chat.Bugsy posted:New cards from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-cPOPD48v4
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Tonetta posted:yeah gently caress this stupid game and community bye I can't blame you for not wanting to put up with this stuff and I really wish this thread would be a good place for people like you to post and this sucks and I am sorry and this is mostly why I troll this thread relentlessly 99% of the time and shame on the people that cause this to happen. Bread Set Jettison posted:Gonna keep quoting this informative post because at this point Spoiler chat is less loving terrible than this loving rape chat. This isn't a pleasant discussion but it's important because the mtg community needs to become way more aware of all of the terrible parts of itself that make it very unwelcoming for large swaths of people.
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Sorry but I'm gonna use another publicly known list to show that tonetta is not a known good poster
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Seriously can we get a thread ban on rapists and rape apologists.
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The cycle doesn't change, it's not like those who insist on dieing on this particular hill in this thread have disappeared since the last time these issues came up.
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Jul 2, 2015 20:12
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rabidsquid posted:I can't blame you for not wanting to put up with this stuff and I really wish this thread would be a good place for people like you to post and this sucks and I am sorry and this is mostly why I troll this thread relentlessly 99% of the time and shame on the people that cause this to happen. It truly is a shame that your constant shitposting has failed to forge this thread into a place where women feel safe discussing magic.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Seriously can we get a thread ban on rapists and rape apologists. Its baffling to me why so many people care so deeply whether there is a specific "no-rapists" policy why does that matter
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Deofuta posted:The cycle doesn't change, it's not like those who insist on dieing on this particular hill in this thread have disappeared since the last time these issues came up. Raging against the dying of the light, et cetera Wezlar posted:It truly is a shame that your constant shitposting has failed to forge this thread into a place where women feel safe discussing magic. Also weird how shitheads don't understand that I don't troll people who aren't shitheads, but WELP
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The WW soldier looks very strong. yeah first strike with renown on a two drop is a beating. this set is going to be really fun, i think
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The WW soldier looks very strong. WW and soldier keeps getting decent stuff for sure.
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Angry Grimace posted:Its baffling to me why so many people care so deeply whether there is a specific "no-rapists" policy are we all talking past each other because the actual lack of a policy is kind of what's bothering a good deal of the people posting here.
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rabidsquid posted:Also weird how shitheads don't understand that I don't troll people who aren't shitheads, but WELP I love your jokeposting but if you ever change your avatar I'm going to be really confused.
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Zoness posted:are we all talking past each other because the actual lack of a policy is kind of what's bothering a good deal of the people posting here. I wish I could give the benefit of the doubt but it really feels like people wish there was a specific wording to "WEll, actually"
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Does it bother anyone else that there are only 2 cards I think that aren't renown 1? That 4/4 green common and 6/6 rare. I feel like there's alot of wasted design space there and they unless we get some more interesting renown cards, they could have just left the number off the end like with unleash.
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rabidsquid posted:This isn't a pleasant discussion but it's important because the mtg community needs to become way more aware of all of the terrible parts of itself that make it very unwelcoming for large swaths of people. Can you at least agree to the fact that the lack of a policy statement sets a very bad precedent for what might be the worst part of Magic's community? I don't want to read about all the things that high level players may or may not have done every time someone feels slighted by one, butif it gets results? It sure won't stop. No one gave a poo poo about Zach Jesse until Drew Levin got upset with him. e: Levin set his Twitter account to protected  I understand why he did, but MTG Twitter Creatures are super nasty and twice as fickle.
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The Nastier Nate posted:Does it bother anyone else that there are only 2 cards I think that aren't renown 1? That 4/4 green common and 6/6 rare. I feel like there's alot of wasted design space there and they unless we get some more interesting renown cards, they could have just left the number off the end like with unleash. I think there is far less design space in Renown than you are imagining.
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The Nastier Nate posted:Does it bother anyone else that there are only 2 cards I think that aren't renown 1? That 4/4 green common and 6/6 rare. I feel like there's alot of wasted design space there and they unless we get some more interesting renown cards, they could have just left the number off the end like with unleash. I'd like to see more cards that interact with renowned creatues, there's only been one so far i think?
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ZeButler posted:I kind of like Suppression Bonds as an Arrest that can hit more than creatures.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Hmmm yes, Wizard Poker is the appropriate context to make a stand about the difficulties of felons and problems with our judicial system. And if we are going to drag the judicial system into this, we should probably start with how low the actual reporting/trial/conviction rates on rape/sexual assault are (up to and including cops/attorneys going on the "well are you sure you didn't just lead him on" angle, etc).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-cPOPD48v4 Are any of these app preview sites supposed to be spoiling all this stuff do you think? I wonder how WotC feels about this stuff during their spoiler season. Tonetta posted:yeah gently caress this stupid game and community bye Thanks for contributing
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Sickening posted:WW and soldier keeps getting decent stuff for sure. I think it needs something like honor of the pure, and for there to not be anything as efficient as drown/anger in bfz, but yeah the creatures are definitely there
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mandatory lesbian posted:I'd like to see more cards that interact with renowned creatues, there's only been one so far i think? Well I feel like cards that give evasion are really the best interaction and we really haven't gotten that many this set.
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mandatory lesbian posted:I'd like to see more cards that interact with renowned creatues, there's only been one so far i think? Two I think. The green dude that draws and a white instant? The Nastier Nate posted:Does it bother anyone else that there are only 2 cards I think that aren't renown 1? That 4/4 green common and 6/6 rare. I feel like there's alot of wasted design space there and they unless we get some more interesting renown cards, they could have just left the number off the end like with unleash. I'm sure there will be more once we get the full set.
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I think it needs something like honor of the pure, and for there to not be anything as efficient as drown/anger in bfz, but yeah the creatures are definitely there Honestly limited feels really loving strong in white right now. Definitely going to be the sold out color combo that is going to be sold out come prerelease.
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Reposting after it got lost in rape-chat, but does anyone else think this kind of card is kind of bad for the game? Calculated Dismissal 2 U (c) Instant Counter target spell unless its controller pays 3. Spell mastery — If there are two or more instant and/or sorcery cards in your graveyard, scry 2. It takes away a lot of the weakness in control decks (which is consistency) and it also encourages control decks to be straight-forward draw-go, which are irritating for a large part of the player base because they often lead to boring games.
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rabidsquid posted:I wish I could give the benefit of the doubt but it really feels like people wish there was a specific wording to "WEll, actually" Everyone here has been arguing that "if this is going to be Wizards's new policy, then they should make it a real policy instead of just silently banning people and hoping no one notices." You're the one who responds to that suggestion with "why are you defending a rapist?"
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I keep wanting to post about this but basically my opinion is that the legal system doesn't work very well, and correct rehabilitation from that front is more important than banning this guy from magic forever. I don't completely agree with a lifetime ban, but I'd like to read a statement from Wizards and talk about that rather than debate about it in this thread. Actually I'd just rather not debate about it in this thread, at all.
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Kyrosiris posted:And if we are going to drag the judicial system into this, we should probably start with how low the actual reporting/trial/conviction rates on rape/sexual assault are (up to and including cops/attorneys going on the "well are you sure you didn't just lead him on" angle, etc). I worked on a trial last year where one genuine defense was "well you never opened your eyes during it, it could have been anyone right?" Death Bot posted:I keep wanting to post about this but basically my opinion is that the legal system doesn't work very well, and correct rehabilitation from that front is more important than banning this guy from magic forever. I don't completely agree with a lifetime ban, but I'd like to read a statement from Wizards and talk about that rather than debate about it in this thread. It's not wotc's job to rehabilitate him and these aren't really related at all.
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Angry Grimace posted:Its baffling to me why so many people care so deeply whether there is a specific "no-rapists" policy It matters for the reason why was he banned.As it is, all we know is a guy was banned. We also know he is a rapist. Therefore we infer the likely reason he is banned is that he is a rapist. Great, that is fine, and I am happy to see him go, gently caress him. However, though it is highly likely, we can't actually know that. Without Wizards explicitly telling us, this ban is without any symbolic meaning, and it merely feels random. I am uncomfortable with non-codified penalization, it makes me feel uncomfortable and makes me lose trust in the penalizing organization. I am sure many don't feel this way, and that is understandable, but without specific rules and process penalization lacks any substantive punch and feels unethical to me. If this is supposed to be a move to make people feel more comfortable playing, then it needs to be part of a policy, and needs to have a statement attached, otherwise it is meaningless and unfair.
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Sickening posted:Honestly limited feels really loving strong in white right now. Definitely going to be the sold out color combo that is going to be sold out come prerelease. White does look like the color to beat, I think green could be too because the 4/4 trample renown looks like the single best common in the set but it needs like, a yet to be spoiled prey upon or something.
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Angry Grimace posted:Reposting after it got lost in rape-chat, but does anyone else think this kind of card is kind of bad for the game?
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:Everyone here has been arguing that "if this is going to be Wizards's new policy, then they should make it a real policy instead of just silently banning people and hoping no one notices." You're the one who responds to that suggestion with "why are you defending a rapist?" It feels disingenuous because when that french dude threatened Helene Bergeot you didn't hear people stumping for a blanket policy be instated explictly stating it's against the rules to threaten to rape wotc employees. edit: It really feels like an after the fact justification for a knee jerk reaction where people defended a heinous crime and then realized that it might look bad to do so.
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Zoness posted:I am excited for calculated dismissal but really wish we had mana leak instead. I feel like this might be better in standard. Scry 2 isn't nothing and there aren't as many strong turn 2 plays as older formats. You can stop a turn 4 rhino in the draw still.
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