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Miss Wallace posted:Yeah, what the hell was that all about??? I was so confused why I was a bitch all of a sudden. I will say this, the scene previous to that line was my favorite to shoot, with me and Todd in the sleeping bags. It was the only time I felt like it was organic dialogue between two people rather than an awkward setup for a punchline, and I wanted to really *act*, y'know? Funny thing is, Rob told us he didn't write that scene to be dramatic, but they liked our interpretation. I was like...what? Was that supposed to be funny?? Huh??? These stories just make me like Lindsay more.
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Kind of sad that Linsday Ellis' real life was basically the same as her videos: endlessly explaining elementary concepts in feminism to nerds actively trying to sexualize her while ignoring what she says. I'm watching the movie now and really "enjoying" the part where they crank call Lupa and exchange "jokes" about breast size. It started right as I was reading that post.
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Miss Wallace posted:There just didn't need to be that many extraneous characters played by the same person, especially when the cast was already way too big. Hell, there's no real payoff for any character to be there other than the Critic anyway, since we blow up and become irrelevant. If maybe the cyborg plot had turned us against each other and it was like crew against crew, it might've brought everything together a little better. Honestly, I could do without most if not all the crew members. They never stood out to me. Also, Phelous' running gag as a red shirt was unfunny, they should have left him in the back so he can push buttons in the most passive aggressive way possible.
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Miss Wallace posted:Lindsay saved everyone's butts on Suburban Knights. The shoot wasn't going on schedule and we even had a meeting where everyone was to vote if we wanted to finish as is, or change it to a documentary style shoot about a failed anniversary movie. That's one of my best memories of Suburban Knights, because we all said no, we're not voting, we're gonna finish this. So Lindsay, Doug, Rob, and I believe Ed as well all holed up in a room privately and Lindsay got them to finally agree to using two cameras to shoot. Literally, they were that stubborn, they didn't want to change from just having Rob singlehandedly shoot everything on one camera. Squandering of talent right there. Bring in a filmmaker and have him not do any of the camera work. Hell, I kind of wish Ed and Lindsay locked Doug and Rob in that room and let Ed direct. Miss Wallace posted:True, but as an anniversary movie I felt it should've been more about the ensemble. The whole thing's a mess either way, really. I understand, but as TBF was set up, is just too filled with people who do not get enough time to shine on their own. There were how many producers at that shoot, 20? Ensemble pieces are not easy, especially if Doug wants to be center stage in every scene. I'd say the way to go with 20 people is let's say 7 producers on the protagonist side (including Doug), 7 on the villain's side, and the rest have a scene or two as cameos.
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PassTheRemote posted:I understand, but as TBF was set up, is just too filled with people who do not get enough time to shine on their own. There were how many producers at that shoot, 20? Ensemble pieces are not easy, especially if Doug wants to be center stage in every scene. I'd say the way to go with 20 people is let's say 7 producers on the protagonist side (including Doug), 7 on the villain's side, and the rest have a scene or two as cameos. Makes sense! Probably would've been a much better movie.
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johnfw50 posted:Speaking of movies when is the AT4W movie coming out? I highly recommend following him on Twitter. You'll get way better notification of new episodes. And his tweets are sharp, insightful, and very witty.
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Miss Wallace posted:Makes sense! Probably would've been a much better movie. Also would have made an easier shoot because of less people on the set at any given moment.
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Miss Wallace posted:EDIT: Oh and Phelan hated the red shirt gag. He'd stopped doing the resurrection gag eons before the movie, but there wasn't any time to change it by the time we got the script. You could kind of tell. No disrespect towards Phelan intended but his heart was obviously not in most of the material. He's so passionate in his normal stuff (in his sarcastic way) and that just didn't come through. He seemed way more enthusiastic in Suburban Knights (and I honestly believed he'd written his own material for that one.)
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Seconded - I was originally nervous about Movie Nights going solo again after all the group episodes, but I didn't even notice the difference. Yea, another person to talk to is always fun, but it feels like the solo episodes have a really energetic conversational tone that makes them a lot of fun to watch. ... I still want to know if you're going to break down and do The Langoliers after that awesome live recapping of it.
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Mokinokaro posted:You could kind of tell. No disrespect towards Phelan intended but his heart was obviously not in most of the material. He's so passionate in his normal stuff (in his sarcastic way) and that just didn't come through. He seemed way more enthusiastic in Suburban Knights (and I honestly believed he'd written his own material for that one.) Hahaha, well he did do that awesome Patton Oswalt ref in the party scene, so hey. emeriin posted:On that note, Allison you said you wanted to act and for what it's worth (not excusing the bizarre-at-best direction or you having a poo poo time) you did really well. Aw, thanks so much, I appreciate it. I feel like I got more of an opportunity for stuff like that in the At4W movie, so hopefully it comes across in the final product. echopapa posted:Speaking of Lupa, Bizarro Improv Master, do you still do Movie Nights without a script? You come across as much more confident with the format now than you were a few months ago. It's kind of a mix. I'm definitely a lot more confident than I was when I started, but I also use notes and jokes I write down as I'm watching it. So it's not scripted per se, but I do have a guideline to follow. I've also been playing with editing and sound a bit more too, which I think helps bring up the energy. Rebochan posted:Seconded - I was originally nervous about Movie Nights going solo again after all the group episodes, but I didn't even notice the difference. Yea, another person to talk to is always fun, but it feels like the solo episodes have a really energetic conversational tone that makes them a lot of fun to watch. Thanks! And I definitely want to do The Langoliers (lord help me). I have a handful of Dean Stockwell movies I wanna cover now, but I feel I should spread them out a bit. I gotta do Sinbad first though, 'cause holy poo poo.
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Miss Wallace posted:Thanks! And I definitely want to do The Langoliers (lord help me). I have a handful of Dean Stockwell movies I wanna cover now, but I feel I should spread them out a bit. I gotta do Sinbad first though, 'cause holy poo poo. I have such a love/hate relationship with The Langoliers. Like, it's terrible? But I love it.
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Rebochan posted:Seconded - Thirdeded -- I think the turning point was the Quantum Leap novel. The sense of "bowled over by WTF and you guys have to hear about it" energy really came through.
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IronicDongz posted:I think the funniest thing about this TGWTG stuff is I still don't understand at all why anyone would watch TGWTG, but there are always people who say they like it. Some people think a screechy manchild flailing around is funny. See: just about every Let's Player on youtube.
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dreezy posted:I've only seen maybe 10% of the roughly 200 different CA critics, but is there a reason they all seem to follow the exact same format?
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achillesforever6 posted:That's kind of how these things work where a bunch of people see the Angry Video Game Nerd and Nostalgia Critic getting a lot of views/making money and decide "Hey if I just copy this with a little spin I'll make a ton of money and become famous". And it works for a little bit until audiences get bored of the saturation of the same stuff so in order to survive, some change the format to be something new. At least that's my take. That's a cynical way of looking at it. At the very least, assume that people who want to make reviews have passion about the things they want to review, but they just don't know how to format it as a review, so they find the most popular review shows and take that format. Leastways that's how it worked way back when there was no money involved even for the big names like AVGN or Nostalgia Critic. I guess there are people who start review shows now who are thinking money first, but I can't imagine they survive long.
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achillesforever6 posted:That's kind of how these things work where a bunch of people see the Angry Video Game Nerd and Nostalgia Critic getting a lot of views/making money and decide "Hey if I just copy this with a little spin I'll make a ton of money and become famous". And it works for a little bit until audiences get bored of the saturation of the same stuff so in order to survive, some change the format to be something new. At least that's my take. I tend to assume it's less a cynical money grab and more just a bunch of people liking the format, since a lot of reviewers start out as fans of the shows and it looks fun from the audience side of things (and, honestly, most creators of any kind of content just aren't inclined toward originality). Plus a lot of the format works decently well as a basic template, though I'm increasingly dismayed at the presence of skits in reviews, particularly ones with continuity. If you want to make a goofy show, make a side project. The kind of "character reviewer" thing is an interesting development. I don't know whether it's ultimately a good or bad thing, though I like it best when it's something that spices up an otherwise fairly straightforward review, without really getting in the way of things. A few throwaway gags and lines here and there, rather than costumes and props and silly fight scenes.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:That's a cynical way of looking at it. At the very least, assume that people who want to make reviews have passion about the things they want to review, but they just don't know how to format it as a review, so they find the most popular review shows and take that format.
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When you say tgwtg reviewers, you are referring to doug mostly, I assume? Because individually, I don't think anyone could really stay mad at lewis, joe, mike or bennett. They all seem like decent guys who are just associated with the site, and I feel most of their current draw comes from their youtube viewerbase nowadays.
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Puppy Time posted:The kind of "character reviewer" thing is an interesting development. I don't know whether it's ultimately a good or bad thing, though I like it best when it's something that spices up an otherwise fairly straightforward review, without really getting in the way of things. A few throwaway gags and lines here and there, rather than costumes and props and silly fight scenes. Like all creative projects, it's a risk. You might gain notoriety, or stand out from the crowd, or please people with the extra layer of content. Or you might alienate some of your audience, or put a barrier to entry for new viewers. There's been some reviewers I've absolutely loved because of the skits/characters (though only when backed up by a solid review, of course). There's been others that front-loaded their video with a 5+ minute sketch full of inside jokes and side characters (before they even getting to the movie they were reviewing!), and that turned me off them-- or at the very least, by the time I actually got in the review, they were trying to impress me from a deficit. On the other hand, there's been some reviewers who were just straight "talk at a camera" who I couldn't stand-- but I'd attribute that to a lack of entertainment value period (no charisma, no energy, no unique opinion), rather than a lack of skits or characters.
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Oh for Christ's sake, of course Doug had to go and make yet another Jurassic World video. Except this one has the added bonus of passive aggressive bitching about hollywood, claiming to be the reason that The Room is now more well known, and yet more screaming about the Indominus Rex and subjectively bad CGI. All the while having the entire goddamn review done with his posse of demo reel dead weight actors recreating each scene from the film. Also, his Bryce Dallas Howard stand in has to wear an outfit that pushes out her tits for some reason. I just thought that was relevant given our recent conversation about how tone deaf Rob and Doug are when portraying women. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:All the while having the entire goddamn review done with his posse of demo reel dead weight actors recreating each scene from the film.
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One frustrating thing is that when there's a crossover, the reason behind it is always "I'm sadistic and I want to torture the other person" instead of being something that a normal person would do.WickedHate posted:I watched the Langoliers a long time ago after reading the book, and it sure is something. That seems to be how a lot of Steven King adaptions come off, atmospheric and creepy before building to an unsatisfying climax. Testekill fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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SatansBestBuddy posted:I guess there are people who start review shows now who are thinking money first, but I can't imagine they survive long. I've been at this for 5 years and have yet to make more than chump change. And in real terms, I'm still doing gangbusters over the vast numerical majority of YouTubers. You'd have to be one dumb son of a bitch to think that internet videos are easy money.
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BigRed0427 posted:If anyone wants two hear two grown men slap fight over asset flipping, Jim Sterling does an interview with the guy who made The Slaughtering Grounds in his podcast. It just keeps going and going..... jesus christ. Robert's argument about Jim creating a race of creatures to demolish public places as justification for attacking him, and then Jim's outburst of laughter right afterwards. Good god. EDIT: "You need to go back and tell me what I said that wasn't logical!" Jim: "Well, pretty much all of it." Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcma0bKjJlY Moviebob gets triggered by the X-Files movie, then manages to forget that Judd Hirsch played a parody of a Jewish person. He also throws some hate on his generation and love for millennials because this is Moviebob, after all.
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Archer666 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcma0bKjJlY Just give MovieBlob a while. He went from offensively terrible to just sorta meh and eye-rolling at worst. Within the next five years we'll hold him as near and dear as Brad Jones. Edit: Okay, he's not just bitching about the movie but about the X-files in general? Them's fighting words. Tracula fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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DStecks posted:I've been at this for 5 years and have yet to make more than chump change. And in real terms, I'm still doing gangbusters over the vast numerical majority of YouTubers. You'd have to be one dumb son of a bitch to think that internet videos are easy money. Would anyone still think that any more? I'm thinking of doing a movie review show, and even I don't think of it as easy money, Patreon or otherwise.
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Testekill posted:That seems to be how a lot of Steven King adaptions come off, atmospheric and creepy before building to an unsatisfying climax. I really don't think The Langoliers qualified as atmospheric or creepy at any point. Literally Steven Pinchot is trying to eat the camera in every scene and there's a "spooky" speech about how the langoliers sound like crispy cereal in milk.
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Pretty much, all the really memorable tv adaptations seem to suffer from this, as do a few of the lesser known films. But Langoliers has to be the most egregious example. Its also the one that winds me up the most. I watched it when it premièred over two nights, the first part ends just before the reveal when that -`rice crispies in milk`  sound you've been sorta hearing throughout the episode dominating the soundtrack and the business yuppies delusions getting longer and more sustained. After hearing me gushing about it the day after several friends and my dad watched part two. Twenty minutes in CGI testicles with teeth show up and eat everything.That show actually damaged my reputation. Spark That Bled posted:Would anyone still think that any more? I'm thinking of doing a movie review show, and even I don't think of it as easy money, Patreon or otherwise. For most it'll probably be the icing on the cake but I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a ton of people who see AVGN and the like and think they can make big money doing the same thing. Its a bit like getting into acting because you kinda like it and you've seen the lavish lifestyles of the big A-listers.
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Baka-nin posted:Pretty much, all the really memorable tv adaptations seem to suffer from this, as do a few of the lesser known films. But Langoliers has to be the most egregious example. Its also the one that winds me up the most. I watched it when it premièred over two nights, the first part ends just before the reveal when that -`rice crispies in milk` My favorite bit might be them ending on a freeze frame of them jumping into the air.
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Miss Wallace posted:My favorite bit might be them ending on a freeze frame of them jumping into the air. Well, it was a happy ending.
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