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Magnetic North posted:13-year-olds Mountain Dew drinkers can't relate to people who have children But they can totally relate to people who have nieces! This game 
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Neruz posted:But they can totally relate to people who have nieces! It'd hardly be the only example of misguided marketing driving poor story decisions.
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Jul 2, 2015 13:34
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As a weird uncle myself this game offends me more than you can possibly think.Flesnolk posted:I mean, until we get to some of the really messed up parts down the road, it's not like there's much here worth discussing. The game is poo poo, Ubisoft is poo poo, Aiden is a terrible name terrible people have (seriously, name a, say, Aiden, Jason or Chad that isn't a complete poo poo), and the whys and hows have been pretty run into the ground. So of course the discussion is going to end up meandering, especially if in the course of doing so we can contrast what this worthless pile of crap did with what some good things did. Magnetic North posted:I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I just realized that his niece through his sister has his same last name. Normally, I think she would have the father's surname, unless they divorced, she got full custody and changed it back or something. I mean, it's not impossible, but it is making it more and more clear that Lena was his daughter at some point in development  there is no custody story, it's just literally his daughter and they thought it would be clever to be an uncle instead because tropes.
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Jul 2, 2015 17:05
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FinalGamer posted:Which REALLY makes the scenes between sisterwife and brotherhusband unnerving because you know at some point they changed the relationship titles but not the actual emotions they would have for each other
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Jul 2, 2015 17:18
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SelenicMartian posted:Let's hope there are no stinky boy sex scenes they forgot to remove or to blur and say they're yoga. I'm just going to quash this right now and say there are no disturbing scenes between Aiden and his sister/wife. Uncomfortable? Yes. Plenty. But never disturbing.
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Jul 2, 2015 18:03
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FinalGamer posted:Gary also, there's not a single Gary in videogames who isn't a complete poo poo and I do not know why but it all points to Oak. My dad is a Gary and he's sort of uptight and hard to deal with sometimes but other than that he's reasonably okay. So as a name Gary is doing better than Aiden or Jason.
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Jul 2, 2015 20:09
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Dr. Buttass posted:My dad is a Gary and he's sort of uptight and hard to deal with sometimes but other than that he's reasonably okay. A) force people to correct pronouncing their name constantly because of Two Souls or B) try not to be automatically disliked because of Watch_Dogs' lovely protag
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Jul 2, 2015 20:30
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FinalGamer posted:At this point I definitely agree, poor Aidens everywhere will either have to: Yes, totally, people will have to do that because of some lovely video games. A fate worse then anyone named Adolf.
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Jul 2, 2015 21:22
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My biggest problem with Watch_Dogs is that they try to present a fascimile of reality, when, in fact, reality is incredibly complex and impossible to simulate given current technology. I mean how did they miss that?
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Jul 2, 2015 23:15
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The Vosgian Beast posted:My biggest problem with Watch_Dogs is that they try to present a fascimile of reality, when, in fact, reality is incredibly complex and impossible to simulate given current technology. You're talking about a game company whose current flagship series is based on facsimiles of reality. 
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Jul 2, 2015 23:36
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Rick_Hunter posted:You're talking about a game company whose current flagship series is based on facsimiles of reality. It's utterly ridiculous! How am I supposed to take Aiden seriously as a character if his limbic system isn't meticulously simulated? This is why games still aren't art.
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Jul 2, 2015 23:39
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Magnetic North posted:I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I just realized that his niece through his sister has his same last name. The game was made in Montreal, Quebec. In Quebec, you can't actually take your spouse's last name when you get married, you have to keep your own. Could be a product of that, instead of/in addition to rewrites. Also it's not unheard of for people to change their name back after a lovely divorce.
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Jul 2, 2015 23:53
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biosterous posted:The game was made in Montreal, Quebec. In Quebec, you can't actually take your spouse's last name when you get married, you have to keep your own. Could be a product of that, instead of/in addition to rewrites. I just don't believe that's what THIS team's done in writing.
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Jul 3, 2015 00:45
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biosterous posted:Also it's not unheard of for people to change their name back after a lovely divorce. Yeah, I was thinking maybe that could happen, but if the divorce was lovely, make that part of the story. They try (and fail) to showcase dark, sick, sad, gross parts of life, why not that one? I mean, we know bad storytellers try to avoid divorce at all costs. Wait, did Aiden off his brother-in-law? Magnetic North fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jul 3, 2015 |
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Jul 3, 2015 03:59
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She could just be the type to want kids but not marriage, her hefty and stable income as a party planner or something makes her well suited to be a single mom imo.
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Jul 3, 2015 04:27
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Or the game was rewritten to swap Aiden from husband to brother, and the writers just didn't have time or money enough to whip up a replacement husband for her and just try to skate over the role instead. If they'd been planning out better, they could kill two birds with one stone by making the father Aiden's dead brother instead. The woman whose name I can't remember could have been an old flame of his before marrying his little brother. Have said brothe killed for some reason before the game starts Aiden vowing to protect them out of respect for the brother. That way you could keep the awkward feeling scenes between the adults and give Aiden even more reason to view the family as his responsibility for while still keeping his distance.
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Jul 3, 2015 04:42
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Dead horse, now conveniently spreadable.
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Jul 3, 2015 06:13
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For sale: horse shoes, never worn.
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Jul 3, 2015 08:48
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Flesnolk posted:For sale: horse shoes, never worn. Not as tragic as the baby shoes, which can't be re-purposed at cookouts.
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Jul 3, 2015 18:33
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Magnetic North posted:I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I just realized that his niece through his sister has his same last name. Normally, I think she would have the father's surname, unless they divorced, she got full custody and changed it back or something. I mean, it's not impossible, but it is making it more and more clear that Lena was his daughter at some point in development but they changed it because 13-year-olds Mountain Dew drinkers can't relate to people who have children, and they didn't bother or couldn't change the graphics at that point. I don't conveniently recall why, but I came away from the game with the strong impression that Nicole had had to kick out her husband at some point and had gotten more help from Aiden in doing so than she'd really have liked. (In the mission after Jackson's party, when she calls him, she says something like "you always do this," suggesting she's used to Aiden coming into her life and trying to punch her problems into submission.) That's actually another strong entry in the Watch_Dogs "that could have been interesting, but..." file: going by Aiden's audio logs, Aiden and Nicole were both born in Ireland, but their mother took them to the United States as kids to get them away from an abusive father. They ended up in a bad neighborhood, Aiden started getting in fights ("to take the hits so they wouldn't have to"), and their mother accused Aiden of having turned out to be just like his father. Conversely, if Nicole reacted to it by ending up in a bad relationship, that means both of them are products of the abuse cycle in different ways, but Nicole's actively trying to break out of it and Aiden... just decided to get much better at violence. It's like that scene where Bruce Wayne decides to become Batman because a bat suddenly flew through his study window, except here the "bat" is a middle-aged Irish father with anger issues. In point of fact, now that I'm looking at it, there's a lot about Aiden's behavior in-game that makes at least a little more sense if you look at him as someone who has severe, possibly genetic anger issues, but who's chosen to deal with them through repression and refocus rather than therapy. He has no real friends, he's shockingly easy to manipulate if you get him even a little upset, he's prone to violent eruptions over seemingly trivial issues, and even most of the side missions are built around Aiden's idea that he can go ahead and be as violent as he likes as long as it's towards the right people. He's Anger Management Dexter. (On a slightly related note, from a "ludonarrative" standpoint, there's an interesting divide between Aiden's fighting style and the genre he's in. We're told by his audio logs that he favors efficient, brutal fights that he can win before the other guy knows they've started: he uses the profiler to find strangers to ambush, he's studied social engineering and psychology specifically for combat applications, his melee takedowns often involve as little as a single hit. Between focus mode, hacking, several of the crafting weapons, the ridiculously accurate and quiet silenced pistol, and his melee takedowns, you can achieve Sam Fisher levels of rapid target acquisition/disposal in Watch_Dogs if you're of a mind to. The problem is that it's an open-world game with a focus on the mass market, so there are few situations in the game that you can't solve as quickly with a grenade launcher or a twenty-car pileup. It's another example--yet another example--of an interesting dynamic that's trapped inside a big messy pile of mediocrity.)
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Jul 3, 2015 20:58
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Its entirely missing the point but I'm now imagining a middle-aged irish father with anger issues flying through Bruce Waynes window somehow inspiring him to become a green wearing super hero then punching Bruce in the face and climbing back out the window to punch whoever sent him through it in the first place.
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Jul 3, 2015 21:49
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Such a Hulk version of Terry McGuinness.
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Jul 3, 2015 21:55
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Flesnolk posted:For sale: horse shoes, never worn. For sale, dog, never watched.
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Jul 3, 2015 22:11
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TurboJ9000 posted:For sale, dog, never watched. If it was a cat we could never be sure if it was alive or dead and i'm pretty sure that's a monty python sketch.
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Jul 3, 2015 23:05
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Chaeden posted:Its entirely missing the point but I'm now imagining a middle-aged irish father with anger issues flying through Bruce Waynes window somehow inspiring him to become a green wearing super hero then punching Bruce in the face and climbing back out the window to punch whoever sent him through it in the first place. "Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts. I must become a--" [CRASH] [THUD] "RIGHT THEN, YE FUCKIN' CUNTS, LET'S GO!"
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Jul 3, 2015 23:50
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Wanderer posted:"Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts. I must become a--" I would watch or play the hell out of this.
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Wanderer posted:"Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts. I must become a--" "Hai, hai you ya fuckin' pup come here to me now"
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Wanderer posted:"Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts. I must become a--" Well, poo poo, now I want this version of Arkham Knight.
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Jul 4, 2015 00:14
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I think people are putting way more though into this games plot the the developers did. Or at the very least how the plot turned out after so many different re-writes and redesignes of Aiden's character.
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Jul 4, 2015 00:33
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:I think people are putting way more though into this games plot the the developers did. Or at the very least how the plot turned out after so many different re-writes and redesignes of Aiden's character. If they're not, it's at least coming off as more interesting than the Watch_Dogs is. Drinking soy sauce and Spider Tank not included.
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Jul 4, 2015 00:52
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Wanderer posted:" PC version is a tad wonky though and it's Origin only 
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Chaeden posted:Its entirely missing the point but I'm now imagining a middle-aged irish father with anger issues flying through Bruce Waynes window somehow inspiring him to become a green wearing super hero then punching Bruce in the face and climbing back out the window to punch whoever sent him through it in the first place.  
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Chaeden posted:Its entirely missing the point but I'm now imagining a middle-aged irish father with anger issues flying through Bruce Waynes window somehow inspiring him to become a green wearing super hero then punching Bruce in the face and climbing back out the window to punch whoever sent him through it in the first place. 
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Jul 4, 2015 01:28
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^Please tell me that is a parody. http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jed_Oliver_%28Prime_Earth%25 
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AstroWhale posted:^Please tell me that is a parody. Beep boop, what is a joke, this does not belong in my tightmen books The Vosgian Beast fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 15:48
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:I think people are putting way more though into this games plot the the developers did. Or at the very least how the plot turned out after so many different re-writes and redesignes of Aiden's character. What I suspect happened is that they started with a few interesting ideas, plot-wise, which were promptly lost behind layers of iterative changes meant to make the game more mass-market-appropriate. I came aboard on the strategy guide relatively late, so I saw a version of the game that was pretty close to the retail build (the only real changes were a couple of side missions). As such, I can't say with any real authority that the earlier versions of the game were at least more thematically consistent, but I think there's a fair bit of evidence towards that end. You could make kind of a funny story out of it, design-wise, where the marketing, character design, and iconography all make Aiden look like the next big video game superstar, but Aiden's own actions make him look like a putz with multiple, overlapping mental issues. It's like the result of an inter-office civil war.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Beep boop, what is a joke, this does not belong in my tightmen books Hell, wish I could find the Batman parody I saw once where Bruce Wayne started dressing up as whatever random thing he saw outside his window. My personal favorite was when he saw a woman outside the window and immediately concluded this was indeed an icon of fear to men, leading to the birth of WomanMan, and his sidekick GirlBoy.
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Jul 4, 2015 18:33
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I think this game would have a much better plot if T-Bone was the main character and the plot actually revolved around him trying to take down the Ctos after realizing his creation is too dangerous and getting hosed over by Blume. I mean Aiden doesn't really care much about Ctos other than sometimes making comments about how its bad, while at the same time abusing it over and over to hurt people in the course of his revenge quest.
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Jul 4, 2015 19:46
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AstroWhale posted:^Please tell me that is a parody. That was actually one of the best single issues I've read in years, and is a pretty interesting twist on the Batman origin, that being what would've happened if NOTHING came through Bruce Wayne's window that night? He becomes Open Window Man because the "sign" is just - pardon the pun - window dressing, the actual motivation to put on a silly costume and punch crime in the face is an intrinsic, internalized driving force, and exists regardless of what does or does not crash through the window.
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