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So I can kind of see what they're trying to do, all your old units are still playable with new rules, but now instead of your Empire spearmen being from Nuln or wherever, they're from whatever human shithole is whichever gay realm you decide. Similiar to the billions of planets deal 40k has. Sigmarines are still terrible though. Actually I wonder if Sigmarines can be fielded along side other "order" troops
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Jul 4, 2015 01:43
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I'm serious, it's nice to see them taking this not-entirely-seriously, especially after gushing entirely straightfaced about the dumb boring Sigmarines for however many pages. The writing is still bad because they're bad writers, but at least they're being more honest with themselves about it.
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Jul 4, 2015 01:46
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Never owned a fantasy army, but have been interested in WFB and the mere possibility of a Total War-style WFB game for probably a decade now. It's funny that by the time we finally see a proper video game adaptation, the original IP has basically being buried by GW in the most mind-blowing fashion.. I hope Creative Assembly's proclaimed enthusiasm carries through through, and we don't see a similarly buggy/unpolished mess as tends to come with new CA titles.
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Jul 4, 2015 02:44
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Early bugginess has pretty much always been a staple of the Total War games. They tend to be a bit of a mess when they ship, and then clean up nicely.
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Jul 4, 2015 02:58
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if you expect clean releases out of total war games you're probably the type of person to be mad when a paradox game is bugged to hell at release. it's tradition.
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Jul 4, 2015 03:04
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Really. Those are really cool rules
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Jul 4, 2015 05:33
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Those are pretty excellent rules; any ruleset that encourages Skaven players to put actual rats on the playing field is a ruleset I can get behind  e: If Konrad talks back
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Jul 4, 2015 06:37
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I mean, it can seem really dumb if you're a serious Fantasy wargamer, and outright moronic if you plan to run any of it in a public store (I doubt that people in adjacent lots would like hearing WAAAGH and "For the Lady!" 24/7), but if you're playing with mates, then why not?
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Jul 4, 2015 06:54
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Mans posted:if you expect clean releases out of total war games you're probably the type of person to be mad when a paradox game is bugged to hell at release. Which is why it's sad that people are willing to hand them money on release so they can keep doing this. CA games are meant to be bargain bin/steam sale buys. Anyone who purchases on release is just part of the problem. Megasabin fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 07:14
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Megasabin posted:Which is why it's sad that people are willing to hand them money on release so they can keep doing this. CA games are meant to be bargain bin/steam sale buys. Anyone who purchases on release is just a sucker paying money to do QA work so I can enjoy the game later.. It's a valuable service.
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Jul 4, 2015 08:13
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CommissarMega posted:I mean, it can seem really dumb if you're a serious Fantasy wargamer, and outright moronic if you plan to run any of it in a public store (I doubt that people in adjacent lots would like hearing WAAAGH and "For the Lady!" 24/7), but if you're playing with mates, then why not? As a standalone game, stuff like that is inoffensive, if a bit overly gimmicky. Whats kind of understated here is that A. the actual gameplay is pretty shallow, with a lot of dice rolling that doesn't really add much to gameplay aside from adding the potential for one side to lose cataclysmically for no reason, and with a removal of much of the balancing mechanics with a polite suggestion to play "for fun", and B. this is a replacement for a wargame thats been around for quite a few decades and though often involving silliness and randomness, was still a wargame at heart and hadn't so far included mechanics involving doing things like giving guttural warcrys for rerolls or laying your model on top of other models to see the number of casualties (when a lot of the models are expensive handpainted things that don't like that). Its a pretty big change in playstyle for a game that demands a hundred dollar investment at the bare minimum to play. Its pretty much the MtG Unbound rule set except imagine if they then got rid of the normal MtG ruleset. For a lot of people, having fun and having a competitive game with rules and balance are not at all mutually exclusive.
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Jul 4, 2015 08:29
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Are these things in the rule book? It just seems so bizarre. On the other hand if PP gave me a -1 penalty every time I slapped an opponent playing Haley 2 I could get behind this.
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Jul 4, 2015 08:31
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Tiler Kiwi posted:As a standalone game, stuff like that is inoffensive, if a bit overly gimmicky. Fair enough; I just thought the new AoS might make for something fun and different. Then I saw just how much they're charging, and that went out the window.
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Jul 4, 2015 12:09
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I wonder if this weird new setting is why some of the best Black Library writers have left or are doing other things. Graham McNeil has gone to League of Legends and Dan Abnett hasn't produced a Warhammer book in ages, according to the Amazon store his latest book got delayed by another 5 months a few days ago.
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Jul 4, 2015 12:58
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I thought it'd be tough to make a setting less interesting than 40k but GW did it. They also happened to make the worst set of rules i've ever read. GW games were bad, but they kept people playing with the vain hope that they might be balanced at some point. Now it's gone, and it reads like a half-baked free historicals ruleset with the utter lack of any mechanism for pick up games.
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Jul 4, 2015 13:13
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Funky Valentine posted:I'm looking forward to assorted stories about how Games Workshop is a trash heap of a company more than the game itself tbh Aaaaaaand delivered.
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Jul 4, 2015 13:29
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I've always been of the opinion that Warhammer of any kind is best played with beer and friends, so I'm okay with these new rules.
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Jul 4, 2015 14:35
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I know a couple of Ork players who already play the game like that so they'll be stoked to be able to get bonuses out of it 
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Jul 4, 2015 15:09
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EDIT: Aww it's not real. Boo.
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Jul 5, 2015 02:51
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Panzeh posted:GW games were bad, but they kept people playing with the vain hope that they might be balanced at some point. Now it's gone, and it reads like a half-baked free historicals ruleset with the utter lack of any mechanism for pick up games. Blood Bowl has legitimately great rules. Though I guess that is kind of proving your point.
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Jul 5, 2015 09:00
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a!n posted:Blood Bowl has legitimately great rules. Though I guess that is kind of proving your point. Blood Bowl is one of GW's better games, yeah, though I think the best one was probably Epic. My problem with BB though is that it's really not well thought out, especially not the rules of the sport. Because you basically run your turn until you fail to do something, it's very very possible to lose games due to luck. It's a pretty high variance game, especially if you try to play a team that does things like pass the ball. Skilled play mitigates luck, but I've played skilled games of Blood Bowl and they tend to be very repetitive. Also the 'sport' itself has a huge problem in that the only mandatory change of possession is halftime. There's no 4 downs or shot clock and you can block off and protect the ball carrier unlike, say, rugby. Worse, when you're in stall mode you generally have to roll less dice so you're more likely to be able to run your whole turn, while a guy trying to bust your cage and get through your other guys more often has to blow rerolls and such just to keep his turn going. It's kinda why I like Mantic's sci-fi sports game better- there are fewer guys on the pitch and the rules are much less push-your-luck. It doesn't have mandatory possession changes, either, but the way the game works really makes it harder to stall. That being said, the game is a little bit biased against bashy teams because it's a much faster-paced, higher scoring game. I can't blame somebody for liking it, though. If you like push-your-luck as a mechanic, it's a wonderful game, and one of the most uniquely GW games they made.
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Jul 5, 2015 12:17
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Yeah, a lot of BB's basic appeal is that it's a game about judging when to take risks and when it's better to play it safe, and how much you can get away with doing before you start having to roll dice. That's actually an interesting form of strategy in and of itself.
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Jul 5, 2015 14:58
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BB is all about risk management and rolling as few dice as loving possible, which is a rather stark contrast to all the other GW games and a big reason why I like it over both 40k and WHFB in terms of game design.
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Jul 5, 2015 15:12
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Yeah a big part about BB is figuring out how to do what you want to do while rolling as few dice as possible and tilting the odds as far in your favor as you can when you do so, but ballsy desperation plays can occasionally still work through sheer luck which keeps everyone on their toes. Dice are your enemies in BB and should be viewed with deep suspicion at all times.
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Jul 5, 2015 15:19
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Cynic Jester posted:BB is all about risk management and rolling as few dice as loving possible, which is a rather stark contrast to all the other GW games and a big reason why I like it over both 40k and WHFB in terms of game design. The thing is, when you roll as few dice as possible, there's a ton of variance in those individual rolls. Don't get me wrong, i see the strategy in Blood Bowl, I just don't care for the resultant game when you know what you're doing. I mean you can lose a turn by not picking up the ball with a player, which means you want to do that last, but then that severely limits the kind of wide open offense you can run.
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Jul 5, 2015 15:20
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Korgan posted:Hahahahahahaha gently caress me, I thought Orruks was a joke.
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Jul 5, 2015 15:26
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Meta-"rules" are never a good idea, reason why Unhinged was fun to play but banned from every tournament. Hows the guy in the wheelchair going to get his rerolls, i ask you? Quite ableist hence problematic. Im seeing SJWs being all over it.
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Jul 6, 2015 12:49
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SJW's don't actually play wargames though and a dude in a wheelchair is just going to have his friends make up an alternate rule on the spot so he can still do his goofy dumb poo poo. Even if they tried I'd assume companies are going to ignore them after the disaster that was sunset. I'm sure it'll be fine.
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dogstile posted:SJW's don't actually play wargames though and a dude in a wheelchair is just going to have his friends make up an alternate rule on the spot so he can still do his goofy dumb poo poo. Even if they tried I'd assume companies are going to ignore them after the disaster that was sunset. I'm fairly sure that kind of stuff is GW trying to phase out the old minis and armies without doing it explicitly. It's what GW writers call 'charm', because they're all hacks, always have been. It's taken a while for the competition to get by them, though.
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Funky Valentine posted:Aaaaaaand delivered. people had to get bored of chewing over old news eventually
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Jul 6, 2015 16:54
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-MzNpMD1K8
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Jul 7, 2015 03:01
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Okay the idea of the Ultramarines running off to become Sigmarines is actually pretty funny; goddamn Ultramarines getting poo poo done.
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Jul 7, 2015 04:38
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FSk-eeGSqE pls release TW:W soon
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Jul 7, 2015 10:25
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Mans posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FSk-eeGSqE Somebody needs to upgrade, that poo poo was so jerky I couldn't watch it.
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Jul 7, 2015 10:36
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Wafflecopper posted:Somebody needs to upgrade, that poo poo was so jerky I couldn't watch it. Russian modders for you.
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Jul 7, 2015 10:39
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I've loved WHFB since I was about 7. I honestly hope that this game + GWs batshit reboot will free the IP. I'm assuming GW still holds the trademarks on Malekith and Settra and Reikland and all, but they're not actively profiting from mini sales anymore. So especially if AoS crashes and they just become 40k: The Company, maybe this means they'll at least resign themselves to making royalties? Cmon GW, please also, anyone who thinks these rules might be fun should experience what kind of dude actually shouts "WAAAAAAGH!" in public. the sort of person who needs wacky pantomime rules to make a game over beers with mates fun, that's the sort of person who doesn't get invited to the game over beers with mate because they're smelly, awkward, and make weird racist jokes.
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Zzulu posted:Orruks(™)? fixed that for you
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PCGamer magazine article from last month.
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