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Benagain posted:Does anyone feel up to doing an effortpost about various types and grades of glass? I do not know much about the subject and would enjoy learning more, so I can properly mock buildings that use lovely sub par stuff. Well, usually it's gonna be hard to see sub par glass on a building, not that there isn't any, but it is hard to differentiate the good stuff from the bad stuff. Usually in windows one should use double pane glass (for thermal efficiency reasons), with the out-most layer being laminated glass if the window is in an easy to reach place, to be more burglary resistant. Unless you want to use solar control glass, that reduces solar heat gain. In that case you use that pane in the outside, and a laminated pane in the inside. On windows that are out of easy reach from the outside, tempered glass can be used instead of laminated glass. Or, if the architectural concept doesn't allow for a thick frame, like Siza Viera did in Lisbon, with the Edificios terraços de Bragança, where he had to use wood frames instead of aluminium or PVC, so as not to clash with the rest of the buildings in the street. As wooden frames and double glass panes don't work perfectly, he used regular single pane glass, but put two windows, separated 30 cm from each other. As for why wood and double pane glass don't mix as well, it's simple. The benefit of double glass is that by having an inert gas in between, like nitrogen or argon, whatever, it creates a break, not allowing the heat of the out-most pane of glass to transfer to the innermost as easily. But, if the frame is all in the same material, it creates a thermic bridge, heating up the inside of the building anyway. Therefore, in aluminium and PVC frames, they usually are made in two halves, connected with a strip of a different material, something hard to do in the case of wood frames. As with everything, for PVC and aluminium, one goes to one of several suppliers, order from them in the sizes one want, and usually they come with a warranty. Due to that, it is a little bit harder now a days to do crappy windows, but still as easy to install them improperly. Usually, most thermic bridges happen near windows, where the wall insulation ends before the window frame starts. E.T.I.C.S. type systems mitigate this problem a bit, but it is usually a trouble spot. If you want to talk about curtain walls, well, still haven't study much about them, sorry. As with everything, everything I said is not set in stone, it varies from country to country, and depends on the country regulations, and building traditions, and, in some parts I might be wrong. As for using glass in a good architectural way, or in a bad one, like that tower that melted some panels of a car, well, it is complicated and a thesis by it self, sorry.
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skbw posted:Well, usually it's gonna be hard to see sub par glass on a building, not that there isn't any, but it is hard to differentiate the good stuff from the bad stuff. Isn"t wood a good insulant? I mean compared with metals.
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Jul 3, 2015 16:33
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:Isn"t wood a good insulant? I mean compared with metals. Yes, if you compare a cube of wood with a cube of aluminium. But, usually, a wood frame is solid, an aluminium one, being made of two parts, usually have air pockets and insulation material. The trick is not having the same material in the outside and inside of the building, always had a gap. If you look at this pictures https://www.google.pt/search?q=sch%...+window+section you will see the infill between the aluminium halves of the frame. And besides, wood is better insulation than metal, but rock wool, or XPS, or any other insulation solutions, are better, but even these, need layering to work effectively.
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Jul 3, 2015 17:05
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ghosthorse posted:Here's some stuff from my hometown. As a kid I always thought our court house looked like where Cobra's headquarters should be: For Canadian University Brutalism you really can't beat Robarts Library, the giant peacock: 
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Jul 3, 2015 18:04
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That era of Canadian institutional architecture was such a loving brutalist wet dream. For some reason libraries got the worst of it. It would be interesting to look into whether it was intentional oneupmanship. I'm surprised no Haligoonian has posted this gem, the Killam Library at Dalhousie: Yes, every side looks like that. It originally had an open light-well courtyard, but they covered that over at some point to make a dingy Subway-scented hell.
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Jul 4, 2015 01:20
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Canadian brutalist universities? Sure!   I went to school on planet Tollana.
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Jul 4, 2015 03:11
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Jehde posted:I went to school on planet Tollana. I was right 
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stillvisions posted:For Canadian University Brutalism you really can't beat Robarts Library, the giant peacock: Such a beautiful monstrosity 
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Jul 4, 2015 03:41
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Jehde posted:Canadian brutalist universities? Sure! I just stayed at the on-campus hotel this past weekend. The student housing looks like a dilapidated abandoned brutalist hellscape. But I really liked walking around a brutalist environment.
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Jul 4, 2015 03:53
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It's a neat place to walk around, especially when it's foggy or snowing, and/or the various trails around the campus. Living in student housing was the worst semester of my life though.
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Jul 4, 2015 04:00
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Jehde posted:Canadian brutalist universities? Sure! Also Caprica! And probably a bunch of other sci-fi. quote:The combination of brutalist archetecture and 'join us' works perfectly.
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ghosthorse posted:Here's some stuff from my hometown. As a kid I always thought our court house looked like where Cobra's headquarters should be: Hey I did my undergrad here! Got any shots of the MedSci building or the alleyways between MedSci and the student center? I think those would show off the brutalism even better  (can't complain too much though, UWO has a pretty drat nice campus overall) stillvisions posted:For Canadian University Brutalism you really can't beat Robarts Library, the giant peacock: ...and my masters here! I actually think they're both pretty great. I think Weldon wins out though. I genuinely enjoyed studying in there. It was large, spacious, and just felt solid. Especially in the winter, I kind of enjoyed being couped up in there, seeing storms rage outside. Cyril Sneer fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 04:24
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Brutalism owns. The last couple buildings are all beautiful.
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Jul 4, 2015 07:36
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All Concrete is Beautiful I think brutalism toes a very thin line between cool and depressing. It really needs greenery, I'm not sure it can work well in wintery places.
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Jul 4, 2015 10:17
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necromancy:NihilismNow posted:
 Budapest courthouse, designed by Ybl Miklós. Sorry for the crappy screenshot, but this is a very memorable building to see in person because the architect obviously knew what his client wanted
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Jul 4, 2015 11:11
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:Isn"t wood a good insulant? I mean compared with metals.
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Jul 4, 2015 12:04
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Having skimmed this entire thread, here are my votes for the most objectively offensive buildings: 3. Nickelodeon afterbirth dr_rat posted:On the topic of Melbourne buildings: 1. The blight that killed France Phanatic posted:Anyone been to Chandigarh? Bagatelle  Clichy-sous-Bois  Le Blanc-Mesnil  quote:Anyone who could control the elevator bank (and, when that became too terrifying to use, the graffiti-covered stairwells) could hold hundreds of families ransom. "A house is a machine for living" --Le Corbusier Welcome to France!!!
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Jul 4, 2015 12:08
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finally, while looking for those photos I found an entire blog, http://www.failedarchitecture.com/
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Jul 4, 2015 12:08
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Le Corbusier designed an arts center for Harvard. It's not an ugly place, but there's a screening room that the Harvard Film Archive uses where the screen is at like a 10-15 degree angle to the seats. You can go and watch rare prints of old movies that you'd probably not get a chance to see elsewhere, in a theater purposefully designed to gently caress up your viewing experience. Everybody ends up sitting on the left side. Form bends function over a concrete bench and goes balls-deep.
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Jul 4, 2015 14:26
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Nagato posted:finally, while looking for those photos I found an entire blog, http://www.failedarchitecture.com/ Thanks, that looks like a nice blog to read through on a lazy Sunday.
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Jul 4, 2015 14:42
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sinking belle posted:Also in Almaty, this other thing. Don't know if it's part of the same complex as the one above or what. St. Petersburg to Vladivostok, Murmansk to Baku, malls and gaudy towers always have those bright blue tinted windows.
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Jul 4, 2015 15:04
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MikeJF posted:But we were so close to the greatest thing ever, in 1992. When it got old and busted and they needed to make room for the new hotness, the demolition could be staged to look like Star Trek III.
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Jul 4, 2015 15:15
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Does anyone know why this specific light blue windowpane tinting is so popular in the former USSR? That last sentence has a killer rhythm to it. St Petersburg to Vladivostok, Murmansk to Baku, Malls and gaudy towers have those windows tinted blue
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Jul 4, 2015 15:19
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Le Corbusier's church at Ronchamp is brilliant and I will not hear otherwise.  Doesn't look like much, right?  Well, let's step inside, shall we? You want a real holy experience, forget those big stained glass murals of Madonnas and Jesii. This poo poo's where it's at:   
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Jul 4, 2015 22:18
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Yeah, when Le Corbusier wasn't designing lifeless prison apartments, he actually designed some cool buildings. I happen to be fond of Villa Savoye myself (I'd post pictures but I'm posting from my phone)
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Jul 4, 2015 23:38
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I wish there were better pictures but the University of Guelph is home to the monstrosity that is South Residence. It's the largest residence complex in Canada, holds 1800+ students, and was designed by the same guy that designed the CN Tower.   It's hard to capture in photos but the thing is gargantuan, and even uglier in person. https://www.google.ca/maps/place/So...82ed7619e6fb8c6
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Cyril Sneer posted:
I did one masters at U of T, another at Queen's... both have the weird mix where half of the buildings are ye olde Oxford style, the rest are brutalist. Queen's also had a pretty funky library design:  It's a castle, decorative arrow slits and all.
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Does anyone know why this specific light blue windowpane tinting is so popular in the former USSR? So the stuff outside the window has some color to it besides gray
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ghosthorse posted:I wish there were better pictures but the University of Guelph is home to the monstrosity that is South Residence. It's the largest residence complex in Canada, holds 1800+ students, and was designed by the same guy that designed the CN Tower. I was instantly reminded of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJQTc-TqpU
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ghosthorse posted:I wish there were better pictures but the University of Guelph is home to the monstrosity that is South Residence. It's the largest residence complex in Canada, holds 1800+ students, and was designed by the same guy that designed the CN Tower. do people that design these things forget that people actually have to walk through them
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Nagato posted:Having skimmed this entire thread, here are my votes for the most objectively offensive buildings: Fill any building with disenfranchised angry poor people and it will probably disintegrate into a Judge Dredd-like hellscape.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:17
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The one he built in Marseille is packed full of his fan boys (including Jonathan Meades) and it looks pristine and wonderful, so you're probably right about that.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:35
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cloudchamber posted:The one he built in Marseille is packed full of his fan boys (including Jonathan Meades) and it looks pristine and wonderful, so you're probably right about that. Yeah it still looks good.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:49
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Roy posted:Fill any building with disenfranchised angry poor people and it will probably disintegrate into a Judge Dredd-like hellscape. Towers in a park is still a stupid idea for an urban area since they are completely isolated and no economic activity other than drug dealing and benefit sponging can take place. Warehousing the poor in them is a lousy policy.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:59
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Dmitri-9 posted:Towers in a park is still a stupid idea for an urban area since they are completely isolated and no economic activity other than drug dealing and benefit sponging can take place. Warehousing the poor in them is a lousy policy. Warehousing the poor in anything is a lousy policy
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Yeah, le Corbusier tried to vertically replicate a city inside his Unités with street-like corridors, integrated work and living and communal spaces. Guess what features where removed in Commieblock/City of Sadness-style buildings. 
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Jul 6, 2015 00:20
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I like to post this whenever people criticize Le Corbusier It' called The Interlace, and it's an apartment complex in Singapore. Essentially it's a deconstructed apartment block. It has some clear visual references to early post-war brutalism. The complex has all kinds of services, several pools, stores, concierge service, a gym, common rooms, etc. It's consistent with and obviously influenced by how Le Corbusier imagined apartment complexes could be     Le Corbusier was right.
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Jul 6, 2015 00:58
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But the first two of Le Corbusier's plans were enclosed and look more like fortresses. The Interlace looks open and inviting.
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Feminition posted:do people that design these things forget that people actually have to walk through them Every time I see these dictator's wet dream megastructures I think how it would work for some poor bastard coming home after a long hard day at work with arms full of groceries. Or even just the daily fifteen minute walk to get out of the place if you're one of the saps who lives right at the back. I hate it when I go to a hotel and have to walk through a bunch of featureless, identical corridors to get to my room. I couldn't live with doing that every day, except multiplied by a factor of ten. That said, The Interlace looks like a genuinely interesting environment to live in. The monoliths are broken up and interspersed with greenery and water. You retain the most of high density but without feeling oppressed. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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