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I thought that was about the TN clerks who resigned, because they didn't want to certify any same-sex marriages. There're a lot of Conservative tears these days, aren't there.
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Quote of the day, “I’m going to sit down and have some pie.” ~ Hillary Clinton, on being asked about Donald Trump.
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Have a link for the Wisconsin super secret meetings, also don't ask questions law? Google is returning legislative documents about an open meeting law.
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:Have a link for the Wisconsin super secret meetings, also don't ask questions law? Google is returning legislative documents about an open meeting law. They backed down
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:Have a link for the Wisconsin super secret meetings, also don't ask questions law? Google is returning legislative documents about an open meeting law. http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_28430129/backlash-over-wisconsin-gop-plan-tighten-open-records quote:MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Opposition mounted Friday to a surprise Republican budget measure that would exempt from Wisconsin open records laws nearly everything created by state and local government officials, including drafts of legislation and communications with staff. Notice how "the public" is casually thrown in there. Luckily, everyone is a member of the public, so communications between donors and legislators or their staff would be confidential. I wouldn't be so sure, from your link: quote:Although they have yet to formally abandon the plan, Gov. Scott Walker says he wants the changes out of the state budget and powerful Sen. Alberta Darling -- who voted for the provision Thursday night on the eve of the holiday weekend -- said efforts are underway to do just that.
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Finished Griftopia, onwards to The Divide.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Finished Griftopia, onwards to The Divide. Watch out for the deathclaw that traps you in the cave.
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quote:"After substantive discussion over the last day, we have agreed that the provisions relating to any changes in the state's open records law will be removed from the budget in its entirety. We are steadfastly committed to open and accountable government," the statement read. "The intended policy goal of these changes was to provide a reasonable solution to protect constituents' privacy and to encourage a deliberative process between elected officials and their staff in developing policy. It was never intended to inhibit transparent government in any way." We didn't want to inhibit government transparency, we just wanted to let lawmakers and lobbyists write and pass bills without the public breathing down our necks all the time! quote:The turnaround came less than 48 hours after lawmakers slipped the plan into the budget unannounced in a late-night session heading into a three-day holiday weekend. Nope, totally not their intention to get away with passing terrible poo poo in the dead of night while nobody's looking.
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Kafka Esq. posted:Watch out for the deathclaw that traps you in the cave. Rawr? He's a kitten if you packed a shotgun and the knockdown perk. It was always the rear end in a top hat who leaps on top of the trailer with the ammo cache that killed me every time.   Or the tunnelers, or the loving marked men ambushing you from 7 different directions at once with high end weapons. To bring this back around, how many GOP law makers want the world to look like Fallout? The nuked out remains of civilization, not the idealized high tech 50s, just so we're clear.
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Klaus88 posted:To bring this back around, how many GOP law makers want the world to look like Fallout? The nuked out remains of civilization, not the idealized high tech 50s, just so we're clear.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Wasn't Southern Illinois mainly settled by Virginians and Kentuckians Southern IL gave us the great Gen. John A. Logan Don't mess with coal miners. Frenchies may have had seccessionist sympathies, good ol' IL coalminers took care of that
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Yo Amerigoons Tell me things about the TPP agreement. Is there a topic about it?
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TheKingofSprings posted:Yo Amerigoons It won't exist for probably several more years and the only thing you're likely to hear about it until then is one step above baseless speculation.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Yo Amerigoons It is a necessary piece of legislation which we would not need had Obama stuck to his word on the Syrian redline.
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Jul 5, 2015 01:48
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TheKingofSprings posted:Tell me things about the TPP agreement. Is there a topic about it? It's a trade agreement that is likely to have very little to do with trade.
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happy 4th goons. remember, chris kyle (are biggest troop's hero) did not die so that non patriot food stamp user's could lite firework's
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LORD OF BUTT posted:So this is possibly not a USPol question, but... what exactly is HuffPo's purpose? Advertising revenue. You know, like every other generic news website.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Yo Amerigoons It's a not yet completed trade argeement with pacific countries that's going to be a huge campaign issue as Obama's successor is gonna be the one to sign it most likely.
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There's a TPP thread here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3725584
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:It was a startling revelation to me when I read a great 1000-page book about the Seven Years War (French and Indian War) that went into a lot of detail about Iroquois and Mohawk internal politics during the war. I suddenly realized that despite considering myself a pretty progressive person, I just hadn't previously considered those groups to be truly "nations" in history. But seeing accounts of them arguing over petty political bullshit, playing opponents off each other, backstabbing and excluding people, and just generally doing ill poo poo was a great reminder that these folks were pretty much like any feuding city-states of the Holy Roman Empire, just with less urbanization. What was the book?
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Fried Chicken posted:happy 4th goons. remember, chris kyle (are biggest troop's hero) did not die so that non patriot food stamp user's could lite firework's Speaking of which, driving back from work in the south side of our obviously segregated town, I got to hear all the fireworks set off by our "you know, those people" and felt vaguely positive that even though our Duck Dynasty politics does it's best to ruin them, they still celebrate America.
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Fried Chicken posted:happy 4th goons. remember, chris kyle (are biggest troop's hero) did not die so that non patriot food stamp user's could lite firework's Speaking of Chris Kyle, 4th of July Fireworks: Unnecessary PTSD triggers, or essential American tradition?
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My Imaginary GF posted:Speaking of Chris Kyle, 4th of July Fireworks: Unnecessary PTSD triggers, or essential American tradition? Pretty sure my neighborhood would be a massive PTSD trigger. For about 3 or 4 hours it was literally nonstop fireworks of every shape and size; even when ones down the street weren't firing off, there was a constant rumble of distant explosions and pops. Some guys in the hood pulled out something utterly massive, and several times there's been a gigantic boom that lit up the whole street and shook the house.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Speaking of Chris Kyle, 4th of July Fireworks: Unnecessary PTSD triggers, or essential American tradition? Yes.
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H em dash em dash L
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PleasingFungus posted:What was the book? I'm pretty sure it was Fred Anderson's "Crucible of War" since I clearly recall it was around 1000 pages. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/03757...kuwL&ref=plSrch He does have some shorter books on the French and Indian War though if you want less depth. I would welcome any recommendations for good books on American Indian history which avoid hippie noble savage stuff and similarly portray them basically as nation-states.
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ufarn posted:I thought that was about the TN clerks who resigned, because they didn't want to certify any same-sex marriages. It's not just a matter of schadenfreude either. Several major symbolic defeats like this in a short span of time is apt to make many social conservatives, always a dour and pessimistic lot, more likely to go for the cultish "Benedictine option" and disengage from politics, at least partially. One can always hope.
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Fried Chicken posted:Oh, it's July 5th now, is it?
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:ooh now i want a velvet obama you won't be able to afford one now that you have to make your ObamaCare payments
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Fried Chicken posted:Oh, it's July 5th now, is it?
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My nomination for yesterday's Quote of the Day:quote:“How can you handle the feeling that people are just being asked to accept everything?” said Keith Uhl, a lawyer who helped run George H.W. Bush’s 1988 campaign in Iowa. “First same-sex marriage. Then we have this transgender issue, which is another big hurdle. Now we have white women who are claiming they are black! Seriously. It’s too much.”
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Fried Chicken posted:you won't be able to afford one now that you have to make your ObamaCare payments i dont have to make obamacare payments i make minimum wage and live in a state that didnt expand medicare 
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:i dont have to make obamacare payments You should move to WA:  Current State Minimum: $9.47 (auto-adjusts annually)
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They're going to sneak it through in a last second addition to some must-pass bill and probably in a way that lets them hide it after the fact. Walker's owners absolutely want this poo poo passed so they can safely stay hidden from the public eye while running the state in to the ground to make more money.
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Alligator Horse posted:My nomination for yesterday's Quote of the Day: Well, he's not wrong about that last one being too much.
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Anyone real familiar with Russia's post-soviet neoliberal economic reforms and how those compare to the GOP's fever dreams? I've read (hilarious) articles comparing them in the broad strokes but detailed material could be more useful (and even more hilarious).
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