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Out of curiousity, I went to the website and it seems that this was paid for by the Republican Party of Wisconsin. At least I had another chance to see Walker's doofy face.
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McDowell posted:Well it's a test of the democratic primary system - is it fair or is it rigged so the person with the most sponsors wins? Both could be true you know. The person with the most popular support (thus win "fairly") could be the person who gets the most sponsors. Monied interests tend to bandwagon hard.
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Jul 4, 2015 21:19
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 Yeah 4th of July is great and all, but you know what's not so great? PAYING TAXES *crowd explodes in applause* *a woman holding a baby sheds a single tear*
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Nessus posted:While I suppose it may be to the distaste of the folks who prize Bernie for his outsidery flavor and cool ranch seasoning, how likely is it that - if he did win the nomination - he would have support from the various committed Democratic groups? I suppose the punchline may be "what committed Democratic groups," which may also be why the Republicans kept running so successfully. He has the support of Labor, but as for the Democratic party political machine? No. It'd be like McGovern and Goldwater, where state party chairs openly told reporters they were focusing down the ticket because they had no faith in the man at the top, but probably worse. Incidentally, this is one of the reasons (among many) that Bernie, who has yet to receive the endorsement of a single elected Democrat, will not win the nomination. But that's OK. That's not really his goal. He says at every opportunity that he's trying to start a "political revolution in America", which also won't happen, but what he is doing is bringing more people into the Democratic party who share his ideas. In doing so he firms up the liberal wing of the party and ensures their issues are taken seriously. This is similar to the effect Ron Paul had on encouraging Libertarianism in the Republican party and what Pat Robertson's 1988 run did to maintain the evangelical base in the party.
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Obdicut posted:I'm sorry, I don't get how this is a reply to what I'm saying. Sanders may 'tell it like it is' and may 'vote his conscience', but if the Democratic party is totally corrupt why is he seeking their nomination? The narrative is that he is challenging the democratic party from the inside. Everyone can see that Hillary is the candidate of the democratic establishment, by challenging her Sanders presents himself as an outside competitor against the establishment- he is exploiting a 'loophole' in party policy that allows him to challenge the establishment from within.
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VanSandman posted:What is Hillary's supposed feud with reporters? Is it because she doesn't have Bill's ridiculous charisma? I think it has something to do with them spending two decades watching her opponents lob smoke bombs in her family's general direction and concluding that all the smoke means there must be a fire.
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lovely attempt at a joke aside, the 4th of July isn't even about "independence from gov't". It's about the declaration of our independence from Britain, so that we could form our own system of government. How the gently caress do you get something as fundamental as the meaning of July 4th wrong.
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VanSandman posted:What is Hillary's supposed feud with reporters? Is it because she doesn't have Bill's ridiculous charisma? Spending almost a decade watching them try and rip her husband apart has something to do with it. Lewinsky only became an issue because there was no basis for the 1000 other things Republicans tried to nail on Bill. And the endless criticism against her for not divorcing Bill calling it a "political move" and not ever acknowledging that maybe, even though Bill hosed up, Hillary actually meant it when she said "Til Death Do Us Part."
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DaveWoo posted:lovely attempt at a joke aside, the 4th of July isn't even about "independence from gov't". It's about the declaration of our independence from Britain, so that we could form our own system of government. I don't think most Americans even know that.
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Skwirl posted:Spending almost a decade watching them try and rip her husband apart has something to do with it. Lewinsky only became an issue because there was no basis for the 1000 other things Republicans tried to nail on Bill. And the endless criticism against her for not divorcing Bill calling it a "political move" and not ever acknowledging that maybe, even though Bill hosed up, Hillary actually meant it when she said "Til Death Do Us Part." Maybe she forgave him.
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Joementum posted:He has the support of Labor, but as for the Democratic party political machine? No. It'd be like McGovern and Goldwater, where state party chairs openly told reporters they were focusing down the ticket because they had no faith in the man at the top, but probably worse. Incidentally, this is one of the reasons (among many) that Bernie, who has yet to receive the endorsement of a single elected Democrat, will not win the nomination.
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DaveWoo posted:lovely attempt at a joke aside, the 4th of July isn't even about "independence from gov't". It's about the declaration of our independence from Britain, so that we could form our own system of government. quote:On the night of the Fourth of July, we thought of Reagan’s ingenious suggestion that the old political dynamic of Left v. Right should be refigured: Like literally everything else he says or thinks that wasn't directly fed to him by a donor, he's just aping Reagan here.
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quote:Yeah 4th of July is great and all, but you know what's not so great? PAYING TAXES All those other countries celebrating tax day, pffft, so stupid
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Like literally everything else he says or thinks that wasn't directly fed to him by a donor, he's just aping Reagan here. Man, gently caress Reagan.
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Skwirl posted:Spending almost a decade watching them try and rip her husband apart has something to do with it. Lewinsky only became an issue because there was no basis for the 1000 other things Republicans tried to nail on Bill. And the endless criticism against her for not divorcing Bill calling it a "political move" and not ever acknowledging that maybe, even though Bill hosed up, Hillary actually meant it when she said "Til Death Do Us Part." You know what? That is actually an excellent reason to hate the media. All that Clinton/Lewinsky poo poo happened when I was a kid so I never really understood what the gently caress it was aside from dude getting a bj and turds getting uppity about it for some stupid reason.
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Agrajag posted:You know what? That is actually an excellent reason to hate the media. All that Clinton/Lewinsky poo poo happened when I was a kid so I never really understood what the gently caress it was aside from dude getting a bj and turds getting uppity about it for some stupid reason. Ken Starr was originally appointed to investigate White Water, somehow that turned into forcing the leader of the free world into testifying before congress about whether or not he got a blow job.
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Miltank posted:The narrative is that he is challenging the democratic party from the inside. Everyone can see that Hillary is the candidate of the democratic establishment, by challenging her Sanders presents himself as an outside competitor against the establishment- he is exploiting a 'loophole' in party policy that allows him to challenge the establishment from within. If he's fighting the Democratic establishment "from the inside" then he is by definition not an independent. He may be from a different part of the party than Hillary, but trying to pretend he isn't working within the party won't help him with moderate northeastern Republicans or whatever the gently caress. Were he to win the nomination, your ballot would appear: BERNARD SANDERS Democratic Party
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:I think it has something to do with them spending two decades watching her opponents lob smoke bombs in her family's general direction and concluding that all the smoke means there must be a fire. The problem is that you can't keep the press at arms length (at best) while running for president no matter how assholish they've been to you. If she would grit her teeth and just play along Bernie would probably be polling a little lower.
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The rope begs to differ. Also, skinny jeans + hiking shoes, the gently caress mate?
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Like literally everything else he says or thinks that wasn't directly fed to him by a donor, he's just aping Reagan here. Is it Walker who got married on Reagan's birthday and celebrates his anniversary every year by eating Saint Ronnie's favourite dishes (I remember something disgusting about jelly beans)? richardfun fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:The problem is that you can't keep the press at arms length (at best) while running for president no matter how assholish they've been to you. If she would grit her teeth and just play along Bernie would probably be polling a little lower. Are there really that many Bernie supporters who would be supporting Hillary were it not for her cold shoulder to the media? That sounds like something that media members would promote to make themselves seem more important.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Are there really that many Bernie supporters who would be supporting Hillary were it not for her cold shoulder to the media? That sounds like something that media members would promote to make themselves seem more important. I think Bernie's getting more airtime than would be expected because Hillary's keeping a low media profile. The more prominent he is, people who go 'I'd vote for him if he had a chance' are now wanting to vote for him.
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richardfun posted:Is it Walker who got married on Reagan's birthday and celebrates his anniversary every year by eating Saint Ronnie's favourite dishes (I remember something disgusting about jelly beans)? Yes it is. He takes the GOP's Reagan idolatry and raises it to Reagan fetishism.
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Agrajag posted:Also, skinny jeans + hiking shoes, the gently caress mate? Dude's probably flat-footed. If you need shoes with lots of arch support and a solid back, you basically get to choose between hiking shoes and gaudy basketball shoes. (although i'm not positive i understand the nature of your beef with this gentleman) Ignite Memories fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:The problem is that you can't keep the press at arms length (at best) while running for president no matter how assholish they've been to you. If she would grit her teeth and just play along Bernie would probably be polling a little lower. Why would she want Bernie polling lower? It's actually good for Hillary to have competition, and even at Bernie's current high point she's out polling him by over 20 points. Besides if it wasn't Bernie, the press would be jumping through any number of hoops to seriously report how MOM or Webb is catching on.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:The problem is that you can't keep the press at arms length (at best) while running for president no matter how assholish they've been to you. If she would grit her teeth and just play along Bernie would probably be polling a little lower. She can and is. And do you seriously think Hillary or Sanders thinks Sanders could take this thing?
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Agrajag posted:The rope begs to differ. Those are Merrells (sp?) and he's probably wearing them because they're the most comfortable shoes that I have ever worn.
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Jul 5, 2015 00:06
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Hes not hiking for 2 days. Hes strolling along a road.
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bpower posted:Hes not hiking for 2 days. Hes strolling along a road. Some people have hosed up feet/arches, why does it matter what shoes they wear?
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2016 Presidential Primaries - Every shoe choice is Hitler.
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GreyPowerVan posted:Some people have hosed up feet/arches, why does it matter what shoes they wear? trouser/shoe combo is bad.
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It will be interesting to see how Hilary's relationship with the press carries over to her presidency. What was she like as SoS?
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Fulchrum posted:2016 Presidential Primaries - Every shoe choice is Hitler.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:One of them should have charged the ropes, that volunteer doesn't look particular strong or attentive, could have probably gotten through to ask a question. What exactly is the junction between Secret Service and staffers limply holding a rope anyway? I have a feeling SS' perimeter is completely different.
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bpower posted:trouser/shoe combo is bad. God I care SO MUCH about the fashion of a random campaign worker!!! What's the official count of candidates for the GOP right now?
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Beamed posted:What's the official count of candidates for the GOP right now? Assuming that this website is reliable, I count 28 declared. That's as opposed to 16 for the democrats, assuming this website can be trusted (both set up by the same people) Note that it's not necessarily the mount of declared candidates that matters, but the amount of major candidates, which for the Democrats seems to only include Hillary, Sanders, and O'Malley, while for the Republicans this is a two-digit list.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Assuming that this website is reliable, I count 28 declared.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:The problem is that you can't keep the press at arms length (at best) while running for president no matter how assholish they've been to you. If she would grit her teeth and just play along Bernie would probably be polling a little lower. This is one of the things that worries me about Hillary. She's relatively incompetent for a politician. Of all the problems Obama had, he knew how to work with the media and be exceptionally careful about the things he says.
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