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Accretionist posted:You should move to WA: Oh, you're saying Washington has pretty much national average unemployment? Well shut up.
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Accretionist posted:Anyone real familiar with Russia's post-soviet neoliberal economic reforms and how those compare to the GOP's fever dreams? I've read (hilarious) articles comparing them in the broad strokes but detailed material could be more useful (and even more hilarious). http://www.amazon.com/Darkness-Dawn-Russian-Criminal-State/dp/0300105916
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Jul 5, 2015 09:34
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Turns out the author did a one hour CSPAN Books talk (woo!).
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Jul 5, 2015 09:41
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Have you ever considered any real freedoms? Freedoms from the opinion of others... even the opinions of yourself?
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Joementum posted:Have you ever considered any real freedoms? Freedoms from the opinion of others... even the opinions of yourself?
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Looking like Greece is flipping off the Euro, by a fairly large margin, and will default on the bailout of French and German banks. In the abstract I think this is good, but in practical terms I really doubt that the financial markets accepted the possibility the creditor's extortion would stop, and appropriately priced the risk and are in a position to handle what results. I have no foreknowledge and haven't combed through the financial sheets or models real vent here, so take my comments with a mountain of salt. Never mind the slide we've been seeing in the Shanghai index lately. So yeah, interesting times ahead. Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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Jul 5, 2015 19:49
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I don't think you can consider the result, either way, good. However, I do think the possibility of a "Grexit" is pretty bad.
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Jul 5, 2015 19:58
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Boon posted:I don't think you can consider the result, either way, good. However, I do think the possibility of a "Grexit" is pretty bad. There's a whole lot of vested interest in making things as phenomenally lovely as possible for Greece so the country is going to be megafucked. The creditors will always want their money so financially that demand will stick around as long as the interested parties can force it to and politically there is a lot riding on the idea that austerity needs to be THE solution. Many powerful entities will be lining up to punish Greece in every way possible to make an example. The evening news will not spend more than thirty seconds and two or three sound clips on the entire issue so separating one from the other will be basically impossible without being a policy wonk.
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Jul 5, 2015 20:48
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The problem is that the Greeks have been living under severe austerity for what, 5 years now? It can't get much worse, which is why they elected the current government. Good on them, even if it's going to be painful. Watching a country being held hostage by banks has not been pleasant.
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Boon posted:I don't think you can consider the result, either way, good. However, I do think the possibility of a "Grexit" is pretty bad. I pretty much fall on the side of this: http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/5965.html Debt isn't a morality play, this has been a twisted bailout that has utterly screwed the people of Greece and the larger goal of the EU in favor of a banking elite. Greece long ago made the demanded structural reforms, most of those reforms where transparent ploys to serve the elites rather than resolve the economic crisis, and the promised growth has not shown. From an American security perspective, had Greece knuckled under, the next thing being batted about was turning to Russia to get funds to pay the demands, investments to offset the damage that the demands are inflicting to the Greek economy, and an ally against the billionaires screwing them over. I'm much happier with Merkel reluctant to increase sanctions because she lost political face than with Putin expanding his reach because Greece has been backed into a corner. I fully acknowledge that there are going to be larger economic repercussions. My hope is that the fallout will be limited and this won't trigger a return to recession. That said, the Greek situation was clearly unsustainable and it had to come to a head at some point, the question was just one of "when". Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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Yeah, I agree with the majority of that author's points. You can't continue to punish and punish the debtors and get anywhere. It doesn't work that way. They have the least to lose. Whereas the creditors in those situations (like in the US during the financial crisis) should bear the majority of the responsibility since they pushed loans on people who couldn't afford them, but did it anyway. It frustrates the hell out of me that Europe is still not understanding that austerity never works. This has been proven many, many times, but the elites continue to cover their ears when people tell them this and then wag their fingers at countries who would DARE to defy their austerity measures. The only people who benefit from austerity measures are the ones who would bear the lowest cost of them.
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Accretionist posted:Anyone real familiar with Russia's post-soviet neoliberal economic reforms and how those compare to the GOP's fever dreams? I've read (hilarious) articles comparing them in the broad strokes but detailed material could be more useful (and even more hilarious). This article is worth reading to see how the US hosed up earlier in the 90s: http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html But as of now corruption is encouraged, and any attempt to pierce is returned with a surprise bullet to the head.
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Jul 5, 2015 22:34
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:I'm pretty sure it was Fred Anderson's "Crucible of War" since I clearly recall it was around 1000 pages. Excellent, thank you very much!
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah, I agree with the majority of that author's points. You can't continue to punish and punish the debtors and get anywhere. It doesn't work that way. They have the least to lose. Whereas the creditors in those situations (like in the US during the financial crisis) should bear the majority of the responsibility since they pushed loans on people who couldn't afford them, but did it anyway. Concerning morality and economics, I just remembered this paragraph from the New Yorker's piece on the new Italian Prime Minister quote:Monti told me that, when he was Prime Minister and visited Barack Obama at the White House, Obama admitted to being at a loss to know “how to engage Merkel on matters of economic policy.” Obama asked his advice, and Monti replied, “For Germans, economics is still part of moral philosophy, so don’t even try to suggest that the way to help Europe grow is through public spending. In Germany, growth is the reward for virtuous economics, and the word for ‘guilt’ and ‘debt’ is the same.” http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/29/the-demolition-man
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Jul 5, 2015 23:27
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Colorado reduces teen pregnancies AND abortions by over 40% each using One Weird Trick http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?partner=rss&emc=rss quote:Over the past six years, Colorado has conducted one of the largest ever real-life experiments with long-acting birth control. If teenagers and poor women were offered free intrauterine devices and implants that prevent pregnancy for years, state officials asked, would those women choose them? Surely this will lead anti-abortion advocates to embrace this plan.
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Jul 5, 2015 23:45
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Not as long as sex outside of the holy sacrament of marriage is teh debbul.
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Jul 5, 2015 23:49
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berzerker posted:Colorado reduces teen pregnancies AND abortions by over 40% each using One Weird Trick I don't see how this program
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berzerker posted:Colorado reduces teen pregnancies AND abortions by over 40% each using One Weird Trick Nah, they'll just change the definition of abortion instead!
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This whole thing with Greece is pretty strong evidence that Germany is still evil, isn't it?
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Shageletic posted:Concerning morality and economics, I just remembered this paragraph from the New Yorker's piece on the new Italian Prime Minister 'Angie, remember what happened the last time Germany took a moral stance? Maybe you should abandon your hunnic morals.'
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Spatula City posted:This whole thing with Greece is pretty strong evidence that Germany is still evil, isn't it? My Imaginary GF posted:'Angie, remember what happened the last time Germany took a moral stance? Maybe you should abandon your hunnic morals.'  You'd think Germany would have figured out by now that enraging the rest of the world never ends well for them.
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Spatula City posted:This whole thing with Greece is pretty strong evidence that Germany is still evil, isn't it? hearing the germans in the euro thread discuss it, greeks are all lazy moochers who should be ground into paste for the sins of corrupt governments past
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I kind of like the idea of this devolving into a military incursion, with the Germans fighting against Golden Dawn.
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Broken Machine posted:I kind of like the idea of this devolving into a military incursion, with the Germans fighting against Golden Dawn. And thus the world collapsed into a singularity of irony.
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Spatula City posted:This whole thing with Greece is pretty strong evidence that Germany is still evil, isn't it? This is much more the bankers and international financiers calling the shots than any popular will of the german people, or even of the german government, so... Klaus88 posted:
in popular opinion polls Germany is presently the most liked and respected country out there, so.... Broken Machine posted:I kind of like the idea of this devolving into a military incursion, with the Germans fighting against Golden Dawn. there has been a military coup and popular revolt against it in living memory in Greece, so... Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Rhesus Pieces posted:We didn't want to inhibit government transparency, we just wanted to let lawmakers and lobbyists write and pass bills without the public breathing down our necks all the time! To be fair, voters are pretty annoying and can get in the way of making laws.
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Jul 6, 2015 01:49
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I think it best at this point for Greece to just go full communist , then make things awkward.
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Jul 6, 2015 01:53
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 5-2 win over Japan in the World Cup finals. USA #1 baby. Most credit goes to Carli Lloyd with a world record hat trick in the first 15 minutes, including an amazing shot from midfield. All hail the queen.
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Fried Chicken posted:
Fitting that Japan gets shelled by the US on the 4th of July weekend.
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Fried Chicken posted:
Any other teams in recent history to have seen their opponent score goals against themselves in both the semifinal and the final matches?
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Fried Chicken posted:
yeah, this is real political?!?!?!
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mandatory lesbian posted:yeah, this is real political?!?!?! Sports is the continuation of politics by other means.
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America beating Japan in women's soccer is just like reverse Pearl Harbor because it's like....aw gently caress it it's just sports. Too bad for Nadesico though.
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mandatory lesbian posted:yeah, this is real political?!?!?! It's a direct result of Nixon signing Title IX  Also, Biden is at the game
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Hollismason posted:I think it best at this point for Greece to just go full communist , then make things awkward. At this rate, without some pretty big luck and/or altruism Greece is going to need to just start over from the ground up.
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mandatory lesbian posted:yeah, this is real political?!?!?! I'll allow it.
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chitoryu12 posted:At this rate, without some pretty big luck and/or altruism Greece is going to need to just start over from the ground up. Sovereign defaults are nothing new. We know exactly how to handle them to keep things rolling. They will have a few rough years of devaluation, cuts, and inflation, but that beats the hell out of that many years of only cuts. The only issues would be A) Finance fuckery with derivatives based around the idea they could squeeze Greece forever exists and is about to blow up. B) the EU and the billionaires that have been behind the last few years of pain decide to destroy Greece to punish them for not paying and to prevent left wing parties from spreading further by showing that if you leave they will destroy your economy YMMV depending on which of those you think is probable
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How bad off is Greece in comparison to Iceland?
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FAUXTON posted:How bad off is Greece in comparison to Iceland? The Beard has been discussing this in blog posts sporadically now, here is the start of his recent looks at Greece . Short version is it isn't a very good comparison, not because of their relative positions, but because leaving the Euro provides different conditions than having never joined. Greece could theoretically follow their model, but the different preconditions make it questionable
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FAUXTON posted:How bad off is Greece in comparison to Iceland? Iceland's unemployment is about 4%, tourism is booming, and the International Monetary Fund is predicting 4.1 percent GDP growth for 2015 as of two days ago. As of March, Greece has a 25.6% unemployment rate (I think something like 55% for youths). Their GDP last I saw hasn't gone down any further than it already is, but it's also not growing.
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