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Springfield Fatts
May 24, 2010
Pillbug
I'm lazy and phone posting but just image search the 800. That model straight up steals it's headlight/beak/windshield design. It even has the dumb little ADV acessory light kit. I mean all of this as praise, of course, since it looks awesome.

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Cyclomatic
May 29, 2012

"I'm past caring about what might be lost by letting alphabet soups monitor every last piece of communication between every human being on the planet."

I unironically love Big Brother.
The models look fine, but they just don't seem to spark for some reason. I think I don't like them in a good way because if I liked the look of every faction then someone else wouldn't like any faction.

The Navajo Outpost pack looks great, even if it is just some altered textures on the same two terrain pieces.

I like the army box concept. Locally the Icestorm boxes have been selling well enough that the LGS has sold all the ones that they've stocked (although the rule books don't move at all, likely due to the really high price point). If they can manage to get this box to be $99 US or less, I think it will go over well.

If it works out to a decent 150 to 200 point force, then I think all the better. The smaller army boxes don't really provide a coherent starting point, and the NUMBER ONE question that gets asked by people considering the game is "what should I get". Answers involving multiple parts, or involve an unconvincing 'I guess you can get a faction starter but it isn't everything you want to start...' don't go so well.

I really hope you can just point at it and say: Do you like the picture on the front and the models shown on the side? Just buy that and you can play real games.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

So have they said whether the pre-order is just from their site or if it'll be available at FLGS' on Monday?

Hortism
Oct 25, 2010

Managed to bag fourth in my tourney, which is an pleasant change from my usual 'bottom ten' or so.

MVP was definitely my Ninja, who CC'd a Skiavaros to put my opponent into Loss of Lieutenant, and then next turn taking out the Suryat HMG to put him in LoL again! Though that was just a crazy luck game where nothing was working out for the other guy. Even my celestial guard spec op managed to beat his Umbra Legate in CC, which was just the kinda absurd rolls that were happening.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
Ninjas, man.

Same tournament, mine fought Achilles from full to dead and it was beautiful.

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid
A Skiavoros has G:Mnemonica so you don't suffer from LoL when he dies, his "soul" just "jumps" to another model with a cube.

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~
Playing my buddies Tohaa today, any suggestions for vanilla panO or Neoterra lists? Not that I am trying to metagame super hard against him or anything, but he has kicked my rear end like 5 times now with his bullshit smoke misinterpretation and Id like to put him in retreat once to show him how it feels ;)

I assume the main answer will be "take lots of auxilia" but I only own 2. No other flame weapons sadly.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Proxy more Auxilia mate. You need like 4.

Jcam
Jan 4, 2009

Yourhead
So I've been really interested in Infinity for quite some time, and after showing it to my fiancé she is interested in the miniatures as well. I've read through the faction descriptions and Pierzak's little quick-rundown on each as well, but I'm still unsure where to start. She is in love with the Nomads, but I'm not quite sold on PanOceania, which means I'm not super-eager to pick up the two-player starter box. Are the "Starter Boxes" an okay place to start, with the understanding that they don't come with everything we'd really need to get a taste for our factions? I've read in the thread that they aren't the best thing to represent each faction, but would they at least be a place to start rolling some dice and understanding the game? I know this probably gets brought up every second page or so, sorry for that.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

Jcam posted:

Are the "Starter Boxes" an okay place to start, with the understanding that they don't come with everything we'd really need to get a taste for our factions?
You summed it up quite well. Assume that a starting purchase will be starter + 2 blisters, maybe more if CB repackaged the needed stuff into more big boxes in the meantime.

Jcam
Jan 4, 2009

Yourhead
Do you think just the Starter Boxes would be an okay purchase for us to learn the rules and play a few games, so that we can intelligently plan the next few blister purchases? If not, I'll probably start hunting for suggestions on what to get with a box to make things feasible.

Cyclomatic
May 29, 2012

"I'm past caring about what might be lost by letting alphabet soups monitor every last piece of communication between every human being on the planet."

I unironically love Big Brother.

Jcam posted:

Do you think just the Starter Boxes would be an okay purchase for us to learn the rules and play a few games, so that we can intelligently plan the next few blister purchases? If not, I'll probably start hunting for suggestions on what to get with a box to make things feasible.

Just the starter boxes would get you a decent grasp of the mechanics.

Just the starter boxes won't get you a decent grasp of the game as a whole.

Armed with that knowledge, you can play it, decide if you like the mechanics and be assured that the big question marks you've got over your head about the game as a whole are due to false impressions.

Edit: to clarify, the game with just the boxes will be SUPER swingy, and very prone to having a single model kill everything like rambo. It it will likely be even more super swingy due to not having experience laying out terrain for a good Infinity table. However, when I've demoed the game to people with low model counts, they generally seem to have a lot of fun. 3 line infantry and a single heavy infantry per side works out really well in practice to introduce the game.

Cyclomatic fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jul 5, 2015

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

Jcam posted:

Do you think just the Starter Boxes would be an okay purchase for us to learn the rules and play a few games, so that we can intelligently plan the next few blister purchases? If not, I'll probably start hunting for suggestions on what to get with a box to make things feasible.

That's exactly what Operation Icestorm is for, its scenarios are a series of tutorials. If you have a an LGS and can buy the blisters on site I'd go with the big box.

Pierzak fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jul 5, 2015

Hortism
Oct 25, 2010

Not a viking posted:

A Skiavoros has G:Mnemonica so you don't suffer from LoL when he dies, his "soul" just "jumps" to another model with a cube.

Shoot, yep that's something we missed!

Well, now I feel bad, that one would have played out entirely differently had that not happened.

Hortism fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 5, 2015

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010



mini me, I choose you!!

Springfield Fatts
May 24, 2010
Pillbug
Jcam the website data-sphere.net has an in depth "getting started with" breakdown of each starter box as well a few ideas of how to expand them. As a bonus they're all updated for N3, which is something to keep an eye out for when looking at info about the game.

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~
I think I am going to get that new crocman and chop his barrel down to a combi. 2 crocs seems fun.

by.a.teammate
Jun 27, 2007
theres nothing wrong with the word panties
Um I might have done a dumb thing.

I bought the Hassassin Bahram box and the Naffatûn box, have I bought two things which don't work together? Have I mixed sectorials? (What exactly is a sectorial? )

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

by.a.teammate posted:

Um I might have done a dumb thing.

I bought the Hassassin Bahram box and the Naffatun box, have I bought two things which don't work together? Have I mixed sectorials? (What exactly is a sectorial? )

Yes and yes. You done hosed up son! :rant:

But it's not as bad as it looks at first "holy poo poo what are you doing without proper synergy for ITS tournament" glance. For that you'll have to grab some replacement stuff (like some Ghulams and 2 camo infiltrator specialists), but it'll serve you in firefights or in YAMS missions, and by then you'll know what works for you and more precisely what your next needs are.

I added a Al'Hawwa hacker blister to your purchase and made this 200pt list:

Haqqislam
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Group 1 9 1 0
NAFFATŰN Lieutenant Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (12)
NAFFATŰN Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (12)
NAFFATŰN Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (13)
NAFFATŰN Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (13)
RAGIK Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (26)
LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (32)
HAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (21)
MUYIB Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (26)
DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8)

Group 2 0 1 0
DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (10)

2 SWC | 199 Points

Open with Army 5

My reasoning:
  • you need regular orders, Naffatuns will provide that. I used WYSIWYG options but you'll want to have 2-3 LFT ones because those can be LTs and you want to hide which one is your real commander. Remember that this is not 40k and the only thing going all "drive me closer I want to lead from the front" will get you is a sniper bullet or a guided missile.
  • the Lasiq is your only long-range weapon, park her in cover on a rooftop (remember that if there's no cover on the roof you can go prone on a ledge and claim partial cover against ground level) and dominate an area, you want a good fire lane where you have advantage of range and stacked cover/mimetism/enemy range penalty modifiers against you. Snipe a few easy dudes and leave her to be an ARO pain in the rear end. Properly placed terrain will have few long firelanes but it's OK, you want to funnel the enemy into unfavorable terrain for your riflemen to deal with.
  • the Fiday is the ultimate Islamic terrorist :jihad: deploy him either almost at the enemy DZ (so you don't have to roll) and harass, deploy in total cover and place 2 mines behind a wall so the enemy has to deal with clearing them before the advance, etc. Basically be as much of an rear end in a top hat as possible, you will die sooner or later but waste as much enemy force/materiel/orders as you can. (and if you go CC remember that the knife is Stealthy :ese:)
  • the Daylami are low-grade harassers, they're irregular so no point plonking them in your DZ. The PF one is a one-shot ARO against some juicy target, check the favorite range of the PF and go there. The rifledaylami should either be closer so he can use the light shotgun, or just put him into suppressive fire and forget about him unless declaring 3-dice AROs :v: If you fail the deployment/infiltration roll (IIRC with inferior infiltration you have to deploy too far for safety) just rolll with it, they aren't worth much. If you find that your Daylami are bad and don't seem to get better, proxy them as Ghulams, many people do that.
  • the Muyib... well, to be frank I didn't know what to do with him so I made him a doctor. Another alternative would be a viral mine layer to protect your flank/LT position from anything barring a suicide strike.
  • the Ragik is pure offensive, light shotgun + dogged does wonders up close. Yes, that's your second striker not counting the Daylami, but I'm going with what I have :v: he's good anyway. One advice I can offer is not to get married to the idea of using full land-in-a-template Combat Jump and if the landing spot seems risky and/or the enemy has hackers check for possible flank entry spots - airborne infiltration cannot be ARO-hacked.
  • finally, the Hawwa. ITS specialist, infiltrating shotgun, and an all-around good player. The FO gives you flash pulse which is nasty in ARO (especially with higher WIP in Haqq), you can mark enemies to get BS modifiers (or let another soldier flank them and chuck a grenade at them over a wall without the speculative fire penalty), and if you have more points you can make him an asshacker.
If you go with that, my next purchases would be: Djanbazan HMG, basic drones (forgot the name, the chickenbots, assemble as sensor+reaction) and maybe a Kum box.

ed: realized I have 11 dudes in one combat group and threw the worthless Daylami into another. And added a mention of suppressing fire, making the worthless Daylami less worthless :v:

Pierzak fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jul 6, 2015

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

^^^ Listen to this, it's way more helpful

by.a.teammate posted:

Um I might have done a dumb thing.

I bought the Hassassin Bahram box and the Naffatûn box, have I bought two things which don't work together? Have I mixed sectorials? (What exactly is a sectorial? )

You can use them both in a regular Haqqislam army, but the Naffatun won't go in a Hassassin Sectorial army.

Sectorials change the availability of units and give you access to the Link Team rules. I'm not sure what book those rules are in anymore, but you should look them up.

The Infinity army builder should help you out too, so you can see exactly what the Hassassins have available. http://www.infinitythegame.com/army/

long-ass nips Diane fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jul 6, 2015

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


PaintVagrant posted:

I think I am going to get that new crocman and chop his barrel down to a combi. 2 crocs seems fun.
Yeah I use my hacker/boarding shotgun combo quite a bit these days, or just boarding shotgun/forward observer which the MSR guy will end up getting proxied as. I think I've run the MSR Croc maybe three times in 4 years.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

poo poo, I may have hosed up a Tacbot arm by thinking I was cutting off a gate. Or I mixed up arms from another model. :smithicide:

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades

by.a.teammate posted:

Um I might have done a dumb thing.

I bought the Hassassin Bahram box and the Naffatûn box, have I bought two things which don't work together? Have I mixed sectorials? (What exactly is a sectorial? )

Naffatun box + Bahram box are an excellent combination for playing vanilla Haqqislam. I would still consider picking up the vanilla starter at some point, if vanilla Haqq is your intent, but you've got a perfectly fine beginning.

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~

Flipswitch posted:

Yeah I use my hacker/boarding shotgun combo quite a bit these days, or just boarding shotgun/forward observer which the MSR guy will end up getting proxied as. I think I've run the MSR Croc maybe three times in 4 years.

There is a hacker BS combo?!

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Sorry should specified. I take double Croc in like 90% of my Pano lists these days. They are so drat good in N3.

by.a.teammate
Jun 27, 2007
theres nothing wrong with the word panties

Pierzak posted:

many helpful words...

Thanks to all your replies, glad its not as bad as i first thought, i've been sat in a hospital reading the rules with my head slowly melting and i couldn't even find all the troops mentioned in the box so I was worried i'd wasted some monies.

I see now this game is really flexible, can't wait to get them all built and find some poor soul to play with me in london.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

€90 for US Ariadna. :eyepop:

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


The price of freedom.

Exmond
May 31, 2007

Writing is fun!
Wow... Thats getting pretty expensive for the USAradna box.. However this release is some of the slickest marketing Ive seen from Corvus Belli

http://www.infinitythegame.com/usariadna.html

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid

ijyt posted:

€90 for US Ariadna. :eyepop:

Its also a lot bigger than the starter sets, isn't it?

dexefiend
Apr 25, 2003

THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!
It looks like it is nine miniatures, plus some terrain and a condensed rulebook. That is more than a starter.

All this Greek news also could make it cheaper. 89.95€ is about $99.23 at the moment.

Edit: also it includes one bike and two big ol' werewolves, which would be more expensive than even heavy infantry models.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

Hopefully The Warstore will carry it for us US people, I got both Icestorm and Angel's book with the pre-order minis through them with no hassle.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

dexefiend posted:

It looks like it is nine miniatures, plus some terrain and a condensed rulebook. That is more than a starter.

All this Greek news also could make it cheaper. 89.95€ is about $99.23 at the moment.

Edit: also it includes one bike and two big ol' werewolves, which would be more expensive than even heavy infantry models.

Not a viking posted:

Its also a lot bigger than the starter sets, isn't it?

I'll wait for a version that comes wihout the terrain then, and buy it from a FLGS.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

ijyt posted:

I'll wait for a version that comes wihout the terrain then, and buy it from a FLGS.

There's a more in-depth unboxing on Beasts of War that I'm looking through, and it looks like they're basically bundling a few different boxes of minis with the terrain and book and whatever:

There's the starter box with: 3 Grunts, a Marauder (new for N3, statline TBA but it has a combi rifle/heavy flamethrower), a Ranger and a Minuteman.

The other box has the Werewolf/Antipode team, which will be sold separately.

The scout biker is exclusive to the Army set (like the exclusive models in the Icestorm set), same with the pre-order unmounted mini.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Oh poo poo, I thought it was just the unmounted that was exclusive. In that case I might need to reconsider.

e: The playmat is also a poster, but it's folded. :cry:

ijyt fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jul 6, 2015

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010
OK, so 4 cheap infiltrating camo specialists, 5+ bikes, Dog Warriors, and Haris with MSV1 HRL? Remind me again, where are the disadvantages?
- weak HI? See Dog-Warriors.
- no TO Camo / hacking? Hardly anything gets special-hackable in Ariadna, besides you just put the points into more orders.
- no TAGs? Big deal, last time I saw a TAG was over a year ago in a Brutal Force tournament. And for painting purposes I have bootleg minis like the Caskuda :v:

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

The Sectorial rules are in the book that comes with the box, and will be hitting the army builder soonish. :allears:

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

gently caress me. Primed six of my ALEPH and the finish is grainy, must have been too windy. Also how the hell do you guys deal with mould lines? Must have spent at least 30 minutes to an hour per model checking for mould lines, and I still see them after priming. Really, gently caress metal.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

ijyt posted:

gently caress me. Primed six of my ALEPH and the finish is grainy, must have been too windy. Also how the hell do you guys deal with mould lines? Must have spent at least 30 minutes to an hour per model checking for mould lines, and I still see them after priming. Really, gently caress metal.

I just scrape them gently and run the whole strip over with an emery board. And yeah, camo mold lines are a thing until you get your WIP up.

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ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Pierzak posted:

I just scrape them gently and run the whole strip over with an emery board. And yeah, camo mold lines are a thing until you get your WIP up.

The worst thing is I can't even strip them because I'll have to glue them back together again. I'll just make sure no-one gets to see them closer than table-top distance.

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