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Dreylad posted:I think the best thing for that anonymous image board to do would be to lead by example and start up their own journalism site, because they sure as poo poo aren't going to have the same kind of influence as advertising dollars. They kinda sorta do. http://deepfreeze.it/
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Popular Thug Drink posted:We just have different perspectives. You see it as a show of cowardice, I see it as an indication that very few people are willing to acknowledge this as anything more than a sad and pointless sideshow meant to provide false legitimacy to an intellectually and ethically hollow harassment campaign. Both perspectives are valid, but I feel mine is more widespread than yours. personally i don't understand why tenured anthropologists wont come to my ancient alien symposium, is it that they're afraid of the truth?
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circ dick soleil posted:They kinda sorta do. great, I hope it works out for them
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Look you won't show up to my debate on whether or not the Holocaust happened, that means that I'm right and the Jews are liars, you loving pussy bitch
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The Snark posted:I get the feeling this SPJ discussion is very threatening to some people, but that could be the piling-on, circle-jerkery and apparent terror at the prospect of facing Gamergators in a mediated forum by prominent AGG talking heads which has led them to just hide from it. If I was debating them I would ask this: SedanChair posted:Was it ever explained how "who women decide to gently caress" was a part of journalistic ethics? Would you like to answer it?
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SedanChair posted:Was it ever explained how "who women decide to gently caress" was a part of journalistic ethics? I've been waiting for that answer for over 200 pages and around a year now.
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The Snark posted:I get the feeling this SPJ discussion is very threatening to some people, but that could be the piling-on, circle-jerkery and apparent terror at the prospect of facing Gamergators in a mediated forum by prominent AGG talking heads which has led them to just hide from it. I don't think it is threatening to anyone. If it was, more people would know about it and talk about it. It really seems at the end of the day a non-entity. One side is probably ignoring it because it honestly is a waste of their time. Why debate with gamergaters about this? Debating gamergaters isn't Anita Sarkeesian's main goal. It isn't Brianna Wu's main goal. How is debating them supposed to get more diversity in video games? It's like they have everything to lose and nothing to gain from attending.
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Dreylad posted:I think the best thing for that anonymous image board to do would be to lead by example and start up their own journalism site, because they sure as poo poo aren't going to have the same kind of influence that advertising dollars have on established news sites There are some videogame sites sympathetic to GG (techraptor, escapist) and they are boring as gently caress. Props to them on actually doing something productive.
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The Snark posted:To which I would say actions are speaking louder. I'm pretty sure that the people who GamerGate has cherrypicked to be their mortal enemies don't feel like they're qualified to represent the entirety of the world's population opposed to the unethical behavior of GamerGate.
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Literally The Worst posted:Look you won't show up to my debate on whether or not the Holocaust happened, that means that I'm right and the Jews are liars, you loving pussy bitch Every time a journalist comes and gives a talk in my home town I march over there and loudly demand during the Q&A for them to explain how could jet fuel could possibly melt steel beams.
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Unfunny Poster posted:I've been waiting for that answer for over 200 pages and around a year now. Same here.
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SedanChair posted:If I was debating them I would ask this: Unfunny Poster posted:I've been waiting for that answer for over 200 pages and around a year now. It's not. Question answered! Throw up all the strawmen you like, it isn't that cut and dried. If it were, this would have been over a long time ago. Mr. Koretzky, if you read that update, has interviewed KKK. He didn't find that here and I think you're fooling primarily yourself if you believe that's what the panel will find. I suppose I can save you the trouble of declaring the entire panel closet Gators as well? We'll just get that out of the way. The Snark fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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blackguy32 posted:I don't think it is threatening to anyone. If it was, more people would know about it and talk about it. It really seems at the end of the day a non-entity. One side is probably ignoring it because it honestly is a waste of their time. Why debate with gamergaters about this? Debating gamergaters isn't Anita Sarkeesian's main goal. It isn't Brianna Wu's main goal. How is debating them supposed to get more diversity in video games? Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu aren't journalists so why would they be invited? Does GamerGate know that they're not journalists?
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computer parts posted:Watch out, someone might throw that Ghandi quote about laughing at people your way. That Ghandi quote doesn't apply anyway, unless you replace "then they fight you," with "then they block you on Twitter and declare victory." Popular Thug Drink posted:We just have different perspectives. You see it as a show of cowardice, I see it as an indication that very few people are willing to acknowledge this as anything more than a sad and pointless sideshow meant to provide false legitimacy to an intellectually and ethically hollow harassment campaign. Both perspectives are valid, but I feel mine is more widespread than yours. Literally The Worst posted:I'm sorry, I got him confused with the other piece of poo poo, who does work for Breitbart. My mistake guys, it's confusing keeping track of this many dumpsterfires. I repeat: this debate was set up by one of SPJ's regional directors, who had nothing to do at all with GG before this, and has repeatedly said that he genuinely wants to hear both sides. The debate will be moderated by experienced journalists who also haven't been involved with GG. It's as close to neutral ground as anyone is going to get. But "you can't be neutral on a moving train," "you're either with us or against us," etc. INH5 fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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The Snark posted:It's not. Question answered! I think that, because gamergate has a core of misogyny, the long running obfuscation of this ugly truth is in fact why it has not been and never will be resolved. You don't tidly resolve the accusation that feminists seek to destroy games, because it's a conspiracy theory and cannot be disproven. INH5 posted:I repeat: this debate was set up by one of SPJ's regional directors, who had nothing to do at all with GG before this, and has repeatedly said that he genuinely wants to hear both sides. The debate will be moderated by experienced journalists who also haven't been involved with GG. It's as close to neutral ground as anyone is going to get. So what? Just because there's a dumb argument on neutral ground doesn't address the fact that GG is arguing incoherently for reasons they're not sure about against opponents who don't really exist.
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fatherboxx posted:There are some videogame sites sympathetic to GG (techraptor, escapist) and they are boring as gently caress. I thought Escapist took a neutral stance?
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In an interview with Louis C.K. Donald Rumsfeld refused to answer the question "Are you a lizard person?" And now I can't get anyone from the US Government to respond to my query! What could it mean??
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Unfunny Poster posted:I thought Escapist took a neutral stance? Yeah, they didn't ban all discussion about it or anything. quote:So would it hurt to do something about all this? One site, the Escapist, did issue new ethics policies and allowed civil discussion of Gamergate early after the start of the controversy, and Gamergate members, shockingly, seemed satisfied, as the Escapist did not make the Gamergate community’s boycott list, even after the Escapist subsequently ran 10 interviews with anonymous female game developers, many of whom were sharply critical of Gamergate. http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/10/how_to_end_gamergate_a_divide_and_conquer_plan.2.html
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The Snark posted:It's not. Question answered! Since INH5 won't answer my question maybe you can. If GamerGate is a group primarily concerned with ethics, why does every major GamerGate discussion board spend the majority of their time discussing feminism and leftist politics? They also seem to have an unspoken rule that in situations of conflicting interest, if you put ethics before hatred of feminism, you get labelled an ethics-cuck and shut out of discussion. Why is that?
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Unfunny Poster posted:I thought Escapist took a neutral stance? They openly did. But then this February, they fired Moviebob and hired several prominent GG supporters. They also around the same time made a statement that they are going to focus their coverage on video games instead of politics, which was obviously intended to pander to the GG demographic. circ dick soleil posted:Since INH5 won't answer my question maybe you can. If GamerGate is a group primarily concerned with ethics, why does every major GamerGate discussion board spend the majority of their time discussing feminism and leftist politics? They also seem to have an unspoken rule that in situations of conflicting interest, if you put ethics before hatred of feminism, you get labelled an ethics-cuck and shut out of discussion. Why is that? I've spent countless hours watching GG boards, and I have literally never seen anyone use the term "ethics-cuck." The answer, BTW, is that all the low-hanging ethical issue fruit got picked months ago and so there isn't much left to talk about nowadays besides Twitter drama. INH5 fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:I think that, because gamergate has a core of misogyny, the long running obfuscation of this ugly truth is in fact why it has not been and never will be resolved. You don't tidly resolve the accusation that feminists seek to destroy games, because it's a conspiracy theory and cannot be disproven. It had an original core of sexists and/or idiots who thought it was any business of theirs who Zoe Quinn cheated on and with who, but that was quite some time ago. It's been nigh a year on and several context-changing events since in which the players have changed even if the hashtag, the stupid stupid hashtag, has not. Also, ye masterful strawman puppeteers- at this number of them dancing at once it just sounds like you're trying to reassure yourself more than anyone else.
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The Snark posted:It had an original core of misogynists and/or idiots who thought it was any business of theirs who Zoe Quinn cheated on and with who, but that was quite some time ago. It's been nigh a year on and several context-changing events since in which the players have changed even if the hashtag, the stupid stupid hashtag, has not. So why keep using the hashtag? The Snark posted:Also, ye masterful strawman puppeteers- at this number of them dancing at once it just sounds like you're trying to reassure yourself more than anyone else. It's a bit silly that you're refusing to answer uncomfortable but accurate questions by labeling them as strawmen.
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INH5 posted:They openly did. But then this February, they fired Moviebob and hired several prominent GG supporters. They also around the same time made a statement that they are going to focus their coverage on video games instead of politics, which was obviously intended to pander to the GG demographic. I mean, to me that sounds more like assumptions and supposition with regards to "their intent of pandering to GG" and not that they're making sure their video game site focuses on video game coverage.
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INH5 posted:I repeat: this debate was set up by one of SPJ's regional directors, Why does this matter? Is this supposed to add some sort of legitimacy to this whole debacle? Because unless the SPJ itself is supporting this what this guy's day job is is completely and utterly irrelevant.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:So why keep using the hashtag? Heritage not Hate.
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Literally The Worst posted:Look you won't show up to my debate on whether or not the Holocaust happened, that means that I'm right and the Jews are liars, you loving pussy bitch It's an interesting phenomenon that wrong and/or malevolent people are generally the ones pushing for debates, especially when their opinions are fringe.
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The Snark posted:It's not. Question answered! It definitely saves me the trouble, because if the answer is "who women gently caress has nothing to do with journalistic ethics" then the entire GG movement can pack up and go home. There's nothing else to it.
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The Snark posted:It had an original core of sexists and/or idiots who thought it was any business of theirs who Zoe Quinn cheated on and with who, but that was quite some time ago. It's been nigh a year on and several context-changing events since in which the players have changed even if the hashtag, the stupid stupid hashtag, has not. What specific context-changing events would those be, per chance?
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Unfunny Poster posted:I mean, to me that sounds more like assumptions and supposition with regards to "their intent of pandering to GG" and not that they're making sure their video game site focuses on video game coverage. It goes like so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23kmhc3P8U
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Popular Thug Drink posted:So why keep using the hashtag? Because it had become a symbol of rebellion at that point I assume. After all, it's modern core was more or less shoved into it by people eager to slap at monsters who didn't care to get precise. circ dick soleil posted:Since INH5 won't answer my question maybe you can. If GamerGate is a group primarily concerned with ethics, why does every major GamerGate discussion board spend the majority of their time discussing feminism and leftist politics? They also seem to have an unspoken rule that in situations of conflicting interest, if you put ethics before hatred of feminism, you get labelled an ethics-cuck and shut out of discussion. Why is that? I suspect INH5 doesn't spend that much time on 8chan. Niether do I. I don't think, for having a forum for Gamergate, they necessarily represent such an amorphous group either.
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The Snark posted:Because it had become a symbol of rebellion at that point I assume. After all, it's modern core was more or less shoved into it by people eager to slap at monsters and didn't care to get precise. This is the same argument at the center of Heritage, not Hate.
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Unfunny Poster posted:I mean, to me that sounds more like assumptions and supposition as to their intent of pandering to GG than making sure their video game site focuses on video game coverage. By itself, no, but this happened around the same time as they hired a bunch of GG supporters, including one person, Liz Finnegan, who at the time had no professional journalism experience at all and was only widely known for her involvement with GG. It's obvious that they are currently targeting the GG demographic, even if they want to stay out of the actual issues brought up by GG.
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Who women decide to gently caress is relevant to journalistic ethics because she slept with men for good reviews. Well, arguably one man she slept with gave her a good review. Which is why their argument is "Bob Smith from Gamersite.com should be fired for corruption" and not "Zoe Quinn is an ugly lying slut and SJWS are destroying my video games."
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INH5 posted:I repeat: this debate was set up by one of SPJ's regional directors, who had nothing to do at all with GG before this, and has repeatedly said that he genuinely wants to hear both sides. The debate will be moderated by experienced journalists who also haven't been involved with GG. It's as close to neutral ground as anyone is going to get. In what way is it a "debate," though? Just seems like that Breitbart idiot, Christina Hoff Sommers and a bunch of other gamergate people are gonna be talking at each other. Also, computer parts posted:Watch out, someone might throw that Ghandi quote about laughing at people your way. INH5 posted:That Ghandi part doesn't apply anyway *Gandhi
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Popular Thug Drink posted:So why keep using the hashtag? Which uncomfortable but accurate questions? I refer chiefly to the strawmen babbling about why they can't discuss aliens. Popular Thug Drink posted:This is the same argument at the center of Heritage, not Hate. Eh, people collectively are not that bright- this does not necessarily make them evil and wrong across the board.
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The Snark posted:Because it had become a symbol of rebellion at that point I assume. computer parts posted:Heritage not Hate.
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The Snark posted:Because it had become a symbol of rebellion at that point I assume. After all, it's modern core was more or less shoved into it by people eager to slap at monsters who didn't care to get precise. So then, why are you flacking for a group that has a misogynistic witch hunt as its core and "symbol of rebellion"? Decent folks would find that repellent.
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Oh no, I used the word rebellion, a legion of Confederate Strawmen Zombies have risen from the grave to seek brains. Defiance might have been a better term, when AGG especially had at the time, had the insane delusion they could and would kill a hashtag.
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Unfunny Poster posted:I mean, to me that sounds more like assumptions and supposition with regards to "their intent of pandering to GG" and not that they're making sure their video game site focuses on video game coverage. A common refrain of GG is that they're for "keeping politics out of games". Hilariously, this has led to instances where you have people saying just that next to a Solid Snake avatar. At the same time The Escapist got rid of Movie Bob, they also hired two new writers, both from the GG community, one of whom had no experience writing about games but who had writing experience from running a conservative blog. It was ridiculously blatant what was happening.
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Useful Distraction posted:In what way is it a "debate," though? Just seems like that Breitbart idiot, Christina Hoff Sommers and a bunch of other gamergate people are gonna be talking at each other. That's because no gamergate opponents are willing to show up to debate them. I thought we went over this already.
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