Doublestep posted:

hmm, yes, this ability that outdamages ruin with 2 targets, and ruin iii with three targets, this is useless garbage that i should never use in aoe situations

Kitfox88 posted:

I clap for strangers and stuff too. Being nice is fun!

Doublestep posted:

hmm, yes, this ability that outdamages ruin with 2 targets, and ruin iii with three targets, this is useless garbage that i should never use in aoe situations

Furnaceface posted:

The number of people that complain about filling up every available hotbar and still missing stuff in this very thread tells me that the game still has massive ability bloat even with the focus on being controller friendly.

nuru posted:

personally don't use it in my AOE rotation.

Doublestep posted:

??????

"i personally don't do good dps"

Truga posted:

GW1 is limited to 8 abilities, GW2 to 10. You can play both just fine on a gamepad, and a lot of people prefer to play at least gw1 that way (dunno about 2).

e: I'm actually really glad they're limited by controllers because gently caress having 40000 skills, 39998 of which are used in very specific scenarios.

nuru posted:

I'm a SCH. Hi.

Technogeek posted:

If at any time you start to feel like you don't get how SMN works, take heart, for at least you aren't the poster of this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/245755-smn-dreadwyrm-trance.-To-me-it-is-useless.-Help-me-to-understand-how-to-use-it.

Doublestep posted:

stop talking about smn then???

like you're being flat out wrong and misinformation really sucks

Niton posted:

As a Scholar, it's still nice to use in the rare situations where your Expert tank can handle 5+ mobs, but it's a lot more niche than it is on Summoner, since our filler spells are 200 and 170 potency. Summoner should basically be spamming it any time it's safe to on 3+ mobs once their higher potency spells have been expended.

e: Also it's great for overworld stuff and soloing~

Niton posted:

As a Scholar, it's still nice to use in the rare situations where your Expert tank can handle 5+ mobs, but it's a lot more niche than it is on Summoner, since our filler spells are 200 and 170 potency. Summoner should basically be spamming it any time it's safe to on 3+ mobs once their higher potency spells have been expended.

e: Also it's great for overworld stuff and soloing~

quote:

**Naoki Yoshida** :
> (laughs) We heard that a lot of players find the machinist's DPS to be low, however we've had the dev team run tests on it and the machinist job can do a lot of damage. I'm sure most players use that DPS recording software, and it can be outdated or the skill rotation used by the team and the players is different. At the moment we're looking into the origin of this difference.

> I want to stay cautious on that topic. We understand that people complain about the machinist's dps being too low. There's a big difference between the numbers given by players and numbers given by the dev team members who have a very high experience of the game and perfect mastery of the machinist job. Thus we try to understand if a mistake could have been made on the dev team side regarding the DPS calculation or if the players are just not yet used to the machinist since Heavensward was only released a few days back, which is most likely not enough to master the job.

rock2much posted:

edit: hah! I didn't even see that you ordered a g600 until after I quoted the earlier post.

nuru posted:

I was wrong and stand corrected. I acknowledged that.


That and that 5th cross slot is the only place to fit Aero as well.

Thumbtacks posted:

Technogeek posted:

If at any time you start to feel like you don't get how SMN works, take heart, for at least you aren't the poster of this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/245755-smn-dreadwyrm-trance.-To-me-it-is-useless.-Help-me-to-understand-how-to-use-it.

Thumbtacks posted:

**Naoki Yoshida** :
> (laughs) We heard that a lot of players find the machinist's DPS to be low, however we've had the dev team run tests on it and the machinist job can do a lot of damage. I'm sure most players use that DPS recording software, and it can be outdated or the skill rotation used by the team and the players is different. At the moment we're looking into the origin of this difference.

> I want to stay cautious on that topic. We understand that people complain about the machinist's dps being too low. There's a big difference between the numbers given by players and numbers given by the dev team members who have a very high experience of the game and perfect mastery of the machinist job. Thus we try to understand if a mistake could have been made on the dev team side regarding the DPS calculation or if the players are just not yet used to the machinist since Heavensward was only released a few days back, which is most likely not enough to master the job.

"maybe if u guys werent lovely youd do better"

Technogeek posted:

If at any time you start to feel like you don't get how SMN works, take heart, for at least you aren't the poster of this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/245755-smn-dreadwyrm-trance.-To-me-it-is-useless.-Help-me-to-understand-how-to-use-it.

quote:

The way I understand it, you have to build III stacks of aethertrail attunement. In order to build these stacks you have to use bane, fester, or energy drain. Well, according to my rotation, these skills are situational and never used abundantly.

Niton posted:

I run Aero/Blizz2 and skip Stoneskin. Even with the changes, i've yet to run into a single situation where i've found myself wishing I had Stoneskin on top of Adlo. It's still good, mind, but if the same person is pre-casting Adlo and Stoneskin, it's both a ton of time and (more importantly) a ton of mana.

Thumbtacks posted:

The problem is that if he's right, which he presumably is, then their parses should be considered the best possible ones and only compared to ones of roughly equal level. Obviously if you compare the parses made my someone that has basically "mastered" a class with the average idiot, then obviously their numbers will seem lower than I expected.

The question is whether or not they make "good dps" more accessible to average players, and if they can do it without making it less enjoyable.

I'd like to see the actual numbers, although I'm sure they won't release those.

ActionZero posted:

Votekick this person from the game.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

I hope the Hildibrand quests feature some character cameos. There's a nice FF6 vibe happening in the postgame and I'd love to see Terra or Sabin show up, especially the later, in the form of suplexing a train.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

I hope the Hildibrand quests feature some character cameos. There's a nice FF6 vibe happening in the postgame and I'd love to see Terra or Sabin show up, especially the later, in the form of suplexing a train.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

I hope the Hildibrand quests feature some character cameos. There's a nice FF6 vibe happening in the postgame and I'd love to see Terra or Sabin show up, especially the later, in the form of suplexing a train.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Also Locke insisting he's a thief treasure hunter

Furnaceface posted:

I was really sad that 2 of my favorite things Final Fantasy werent in this game, someone suplexing a train and the Jester job.

mightygerm posted:

Its possible that they aren't using optimized rotations for the other dps they are comparing them to. The cited reason for ninja being OP at release was that their inhouse rotations weren't as good as the ones the players came up with.

mightygerm posted:

Its possible that they aren't using optimized rotations for the other dps they are comparing them to. The cited reason for ninja being OP at release was that their inhouse rotations weren't as good as the ones the players came up with.

hobbesmaster posted:

Its also possible that the turret's behavior on the live server is different from the dev server. SMN pet potency seem to be buggy as well according to reddit. Except in the SMN case any potential missing DPS would bring the class from "good" to "lol why did you bring a BLM"

SirPhoebos posted:

For my hotbar setup, I got 5 bars shared over all classes and the rest un-shared. Right now for Paladin I have 1 to = as my rotation attacks and interrupts, I set F1 to F12 as abilities I use frequently but not all the time, and I have Shift-1 to Shift-= as cooldowns. When playing a healing class, I use the 1-bar for my soloing abilities and the 10-bar as group abilities. So far I haven't had any issues, but I am given to understand that 2.x stuff has become trivial with the expansion (which is not unsual, tbf)

Thumbtacks posted:

"maybe if u guys werent lovely youd do better"

Opposing Farce posted:

I'm counting each set of 8 as a "bar" in this case, although that's probably the wrong way to frame it since the game considers two sets of 8 a bar. In either case it's just a matter of terminology and the point is you can just barely cram all of your combat actions onto the bars you have readily accessible with a controller.