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Pubbie beartwats lately, usually been too dumb to even try to turnfight, too dumb to turn properly without losing altitude bad, too dumb to get the most out of the turning potential, then so dumb they just turn in flat circles with the camera forwards trying to find you all the while you pull some mean moves in your lumpy flying fridge setting up a perfect assault vector. IL-10 supremacy. (in loose response to turnfighter and beercanbacon talk like) Tank Boy Ken posted:I suggest to manage the fight by not turnfighting. Turnfighting a Beercan in a 109 is do-able in a F4. The G-2 and G-14 might also be able to do it (I never tried). And the Beercan can't outturn every Spitfire, just the later Marks. With a K4 you should attack his energy state first. So using the better aerodynamics against it. Improvise a Herbst maneuver, some WT planes are that messed up 
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MrLonghair posted:Pubbie beartwats lately, usually been too dumb to even try to turnfight, too dumb to turn properly without losing altitude bad, too dumb to get the most out of the turning potential, then so dumb they just turn in flat circles with the camera forwards trying to find you all the while you pull some mean moves in your lumpy flying fridge setting up a perfect assault vector. gently caress you. Could you stop hogging all those extra stupid pubbies. I'd like to get some of those too. Every time I decide to "Oh this time I might get to do reach ground targets" in any IL-plane, the following happens: Some fighter comes and shoots me down, without so much as giving me a single shot opportunity. And I usually bother to get a bit of altitude to be able to "pick up some speed". Flying attackers is usually an exercise in frustration for me. The Herbst maneuvre looks a bit like the "red tail move". Just with the exit direction being the same as the entry direction. So basically a Cobra maneuvre, just more like a short hammerhead.
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Jul 6, 2015 12:24
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I feel like you guys are talking about some sort of bizarre alternate-universe Bearcat because yes it will outturn any Spit later than an LF IX (guess which ones it gets matched with most often) and I still have no clue how you're going one-on-one using a 109. Whether you turn in the vertical or the horizontal, enter a flat or a rolling scissors, or even do something dumb like stall climbing it will outmanoeuvre you. There are many ways of dealing with Bearcats in any of the fighters it faces but getting into a dogfight with one is definitely not one of them.
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Jul 6, 2015 13:03
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BBJoey posted:I feel like you guys are talking about some sort of bizarre alternate-universe Bearcat because yes it will outturn any Spit later than an LF IX (guess which ones it gets matched with most often) and I still have no clue how you're going one-on-one using a 109. Whether you turn in the vertical or the horizontal, enter a flat or a rolling scissors, or even do something dumb like stall climbing it will outmanoeuvre you. There are many ways of dealing with Bearcats in any of the fighters it faces but getting into a dogfight with one is definitely not one of them. The main reason Bearcats lose 1v1 is the auto-lobotomizer built into them that seems to turn their pilots to idiots. Bearcats are criminally good. Also after spending all day yesterday at the naval aviation museum, looking at a bearcat next to the rest of the war's fighters is a bit like seeing a line of low-wing Cessna mail carriers the. Seeing a low-wing Red Bull air races airplane.
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Tank Boy Ken posted:gently caress you. Could you stop hogging all those extra stupid pubbies. I'd like to get some of those too. Every time I decide to "Oh this time I might get to do reach ground targets" in any IL-plane, the following happens: Some fighter comes and shoots me down, without so much as giving me a single shot opportunity. And I usually bother to get a bit of altitude to be able to "pick up some speed". Flying attackers is usually an exercise in frustration for me. Nah, Longhair doesn't get all the idiot pubbies, but that might be because he probably doesn't play tanks nearly as much. Had a round last night where I ended up in the middle of the field in my SU-100Y on Karelian, in full view of multiple enemies and yet didn't die. It wasn't like I was unseen, my tracks were knocked off multiple times forcing me to repair while under fire before I could bring my gun around and yet the enemy team couldn't figure out "Shoot the giant, currently stationary box with only 60mm of armor that's full of men and ammo" for the longest goddamn time. Hell, it was arcade mode, they could have dragged hte penetration cursor over me and seen nothing but green, but nope just shoot the tracks and spray me down with MG fire. 
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Jul 6, 2015 13:34
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BBJoey posted:
That's one of the reasons they need to separate the loving ques again. I hate flying British and ending up on a team full of B-25s/17s.
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BBJoey posted:I feel like you guys are talking about some sort of bizarre alternate-universe Bearcat because yes it will outturn any Spit later than an LF IX (guess which ones it gets matched with most often) and I still have no clue how you're going one-on-one using a 109. Whether you turn in the vertical or the horizontal, enter a flat or a rolling scissors, or even do something dumb like stall climbing it will outmanoeuvre you. There are many ways of dealing with Bearcats in any of the fighters it faces but getting into a dogfight with one is definitely not one of them. Yeah the Griffon Spits turn worse than the Beercans. The IXs will outturn it and the clipped ones do have an edge in roll rate. Though if I fly high level  the Tempest II is my prefered solution. The 109 F4 will simply outturn/-maneuver any F8F. The 109 K4 climbs as good (or better) as the F8Fs, especially if you want to save WEP time on the F8F. Thus you'll start with an altitude advantage. And can BnZ it. I just flew both Beercans yesterday and would say that the rollrate and high speed behaviour on the K4 should also be better. Though I do not recall a single recent fight against a Beercan in which my K4 didn't have a massive altitude advantage at the time of the merge. Getting caught lower than a Beercan is certainly dangerous for any late 109, since the Beercan can make good use of an altitude advantage. The last fight against two Beercans in which I started with an altitude advantage was in a Yak-9UT. They did have about 1.5km advantage and tried to chase me. Which was simply countered by diving slightly and letting them bleed altitude. Once they were on co-alt they bleed some more speed and started to lose altitude. Then dived on some unsuspecting La-9 and crashed (due to compression?). EDIT Though I'd be interested to try out some 1vs1s between different 109s/F8Fs. This would at least guarantee a working brain behind each plane. Those could be some nice dogfights. Tank Boy Ken fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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BBJoey posted:I feel like you guys are talking about some sort of bizarre alternate-universe Bearcat because yes it will outturn any Spit later than an LF IX (guess which ones it gets matched with most often) and I still have no clue how you're going one-on-one using a 109. Whether you turn in the vertical or the horizontal, enter a flat or a rolling scissors, or even do something dumb like stall climbing it will outmanoeuvre you. There are many ways of dealing with Bearcats in any of the fighters it faces but getting into a dogfight with one is definitely not one of them. Tank Boy Ken posted:The last fight against two Beercans in which I started with an altitude advantage was in a Yak-9UT. They did have about 1.5km advantage and tried to chase me. Which was simply countered by diving slightly and letting them bleed altitude. Once they were on co-alt they bleed some more speed and started to lose altitude. Then dived on some unsuspecting La-9 and crashed (due to compression?). Tank Boy Ken posted:EDIT
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Jul 6, 2015 14:44
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Server-side patch dropped my T-54 reloads to below 10 seconds. 
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bacon flaps posted:Server-side patch dropped my T-54 reloads to below 10 seconds. Just in time for me to finish up some golden wagers and get a T-34-100, too.   e: unexpected benefit: Compared to other tanks of this tier, the T-34-100 is pretty much silent when immobile. Tigers trying to sneak up on you, can't. Sard fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Jul 6, 2015 17:47
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The Hurricane Mk. IV is the most hilarious plane in this game now. To think I thought the D-5 Stuka was good at blapping air targets. Also I put in a application for LAME. Same username as my SA name.
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Jul 6, 2015 17:59
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I actually managed to earn the free fighter this time around! I did it at br 2.7 or so and the line about dragging your team kicking and screaming to victory is true (all three times i blew up 30+ ground targets). Also new brit planes are noice.
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 Pubbies snatching defeat from the jaws of victory ended my wager. 15/3 W/L, 17 games were at 4.7 BR while my lineup was 3.7. Good thing that the T-34 '42 is balanced enough to gently caress up all the German 4.7s with ease. Pe-2-31 Peshka also gets a honorable mention, I find it a lot better than the now-castrated Il-2(M) in CARB.
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Same, my golden wager ended after 10 games when I had a string of aggressively terrible pubbie teams. Unrelated, how is the T-34E as a tank?
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ProfessorCurly posted:Same, my golden wager ended after 10 games when I had a string of aggressively terrible pubbie teams. The premium is amazing because it has spaced armor which neuters HEAT so it's like a faster, more durable KV-1. Presumably the only reason it hasn't had a BR bump is that it isn't super common and I'm sure that there are terrible pubs that can't use it at all. The non-premium is only marginally less amazing, so much so that it got a bump in BR very shortly after its release. Like all T-34s, the Es are good tanks.
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ProfessorCurly posted:Same, my golden wager ended after 10 games when I had a string of aggressively terrible pubbie teams. Last time I put on my golden wager, on my first game I encountered the fabled Competent US Pubbie Team and on my second game I lagged out on take off, repaired for 2 minutes and then was teamkilled by some rear end in a top hat strafing me on the airfield. It's a curse.
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WebDO posted:The premium is amazing because it has spaced armor which neuters HEAT so it's like a faster, more durable KV-1. Presumably the only reason it hasn't had a BR bump is that it isn't super common and I'm sure that there are terrible pubs that can't use it at all. Unlike the T-34-STZ, the E only has extra armor on the sides and nothing extra on the front. The STZ only gets more frontal armor but nothing on the sides. They're both great though.
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WebDO posted:The premium is amazing because it has spaced armor which neuters HEAT so it's like a faster, more durable KV-1. Presumably the only reason it hasn't had a BR bump is that it isn't super common and I'm sure that there are terrible pubs that can't use it at all. Uncommon? they're all over the place now. When I was playing on the weekend, I spawned into a match with another 9 of them. It's really good. As mentioned it's spaced armour which neaters HEAT, which you still sometimes encounter from some of the German short 75mm guns. The spacing also degrades the effectiveness of large HE bloop shells. Also with them both being nicely angled it gives twice the chances to bounce! Ignoring the spacing however it adds something like an additional 16mm of armour, giving a total of something like 80mm LoS on the sides. You can have confidence to fairly strongly angle your armour even if it exposes your sides a fair bit. If it got the extra front plate from the STZ welded onto it, it would probably be the hands down best tank in the game (and would probably have to go upto 4.3 or something honestly, it probably should be 4.0 as is).
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Some of dat pilot poo poo (not me): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaKwDTU2wxI Definitely my favorite kind of war thunder content: more long form air combat decision loop type stuff, less 420 no scope skill shot.
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Shanakin posted:Uncommon? they're all over the place now. When I was playing on the weekend, I spawned into a match with another 9 of them.  I've never seen many 34Es, just the STZs, but yes, it's a good tank that gets away with hilarious things regardless.
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WebDO posted:
Maybe it's just all the Asians/Australians that buy them but I see them a loooot in my play times at least. Also when we get a team like that, it's frequently one of those matches where the enemy is lucky to get a single kill. Shanakin fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Even though that Enduring Conflict mode wasn't up, I decided to give SB a try. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33UQiIPurB0 e: Accused of hacking immediately after. Corky Romanovsky fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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warbles posted:Definitely my favorite kind of war thunder content: more long form air combat decision loop type stuff Is that the minutes of nothing happening between 360 no scope kill shots?
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warbles posted:Definitely my favorite kind of war thunder content: more long form air combat decision loop type stuff, less 420 no scope skill shot. Please do not subpost me.
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Mercrom posted:I don't think the Bearcat turns better than a Spitfire at any speed, even 750km/h. From fighting Bearcats, they should out turn a Spitfire until both are at very low speeds.
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BBJoey posted:Please do not subpost me. Should I edit my videos less tightly? Most of the times I just find my plane doing its thing better than the enemy to be boring.
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bacon flaps posted:Server-side patch dropped my T-54 reloads to below 10 seconds. See, now I am really regretting getting the IS-3 first instead of the T-54. 
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Wooper posted:Should I edit my videos less tightly? Most of the times I just find my plane doing its thing better than the enemy to be boring. No I was responding to the other guy, I edit even more aggressively than you.
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warbles posted:Some of dat pilot poo poo (not me): That is an aggressively awful Yak-9 pilot, holy poo poo.
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Sim battle is now US vs Germany. Is that worth queuing for as a bomber or am I in for an awful time compared to fighting Japan?
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BBJoey posted:No I was responding to the other guy, I edit even more aggressively than you. I'll edit you into the ground, oval office.
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Okay I don't really know what I'm doing but here is four and a half minutes of unedited footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnLp-HxXyUI I hope you like it.
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Wooper posted:I'll edit you into the ground, oval office. I will bury you in a deluge of jumpcuts motherfucker.
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Dandywalken posted:Sim battle is now US vs Germany. Is that worth queuing for as a bomber or am I in for an awful time compared to fighting Japan? May be a bit harder from a burst mass standpoint. You probably have sneak around more against Germany.
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warbles posted:Some of dat pilot poo poo (not me): i think you may like grmlz then
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Wooper posted:Okay I don't really know what I'm doing but here is four and a half minutes of unedited footage. Still think "Taking Out the Trash" would have been a good title for this.
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Wooper posted:Okay I don't really know what I'm doing but here is four and a half minutes of unedited footage. This was no poo poo good just because of the commentary, and splicing up the kills for something like this would lose a lot. But 90% of the time games are not 4 tense minutes of murdering everyone.
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Xerxes17 posted:See, now I am really regretting getting the IS-3 first instead of the T-54. IS-3 is still super good against anything without HEAT, since every tank is vulnerable to that. bacon flaps fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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