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ShineDog posted:Suicide Squad seems like the best choice for a game after this. DC has a videogame problem that marvel doesn't really share where the characters the mainstream really knows are pretty much Batman, Batfamily, or ridiculously powered gods who probably don't make for the best games. Rocksteady is tied to WB. It's DC, some other WB related tie in or something original, basically. EDIT: Misread that as Sinister Six. Ignore me.
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QuantumNinja posted:I think it's ironic that you're complaining about difficulty in one breath and praising it in the next. The hardest fights on hard are tough but fair, if I gently caress up it's my fault. The tank combat is just random bullshit. In retrospect I should have put some points into batmobile armor, but you should be able to do the thing with as little aid as possible.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:The hardest fights on hard are tough but fair, if I gently caress up it's my fault. The tank combat is just random bullshit. In retrospect I should have put some points into batmobile armor, but you should be able to do the thing with as little aid as possible. On hard mode, it is reasonable for them to expect you to have picked your upgrades intelligently.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:36
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theflyingorc posted:On hard mode, it is reasonable for them to expect you to have picked your upgrades intelligently. Avoiding all armor upgrades is by far the most intelligent way to upgrade. You don't get enough upgrade points to get everything. So you might as well get upgrades that actually help you, give you more versatility for utility instead of wasting it on upgrades that give you no real benfit if you play well enough.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:43
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Aquasnake posted:Avoiding all armor upgrades is by far the most intelligent way to upgrade. You don't get enough upgrade points to get everything. So you might as well get upgrades that actually help you, give you more versatility for utility instead of wasting it on upgrades that give you no real benfit if you play well enough. lol no, if your planned strategy is "i will not make any mistakes", then you don't really get to complain that the game punishes your mistakes too heavily. I've grabbed armor as a pretty high priority in every game, because while I'm good enough to play the game on hard I have no interest in playing perfectly.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:46
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Throw all your upgrades into the batmobile, particularly the ones that make your shots hit harder or reload faster - its downright necessary in a way that "useless but cool batman combat move" isn't. I really wish they didn't nerf the disruptor so much - the finickiness of trying to "shoot" their gun combined with the gadget wheel means I rarely use it this time around. Come to think of it, that gadget wheel is really weird on the ps4. It seems like I generally have to keep the D-pad held down to keep it open, except some times a light tap will open it. And sometimes a light tap just pops it up real quick and then disappears.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:47
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theflyingorc posted:lol no, if your planned strategy is "i will not make any mistakes", then you don't really get to complain that the game punishes your mistakes too heavily. I never complained the game punishes too heavily, I've played through all the games on hard and I always get armor last, everything else is much better bang for your buck. You don't have to play perfectly, just decently. Aquasnake fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 20:52
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theflyingorc posted:That's a pretty inexcusable oversight, actually. Somebody's job should have been to go over the story in NG+ and make sure you can't sequence break with extra gadgets.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:01
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Narcissus1916 posted:Throw all your upgrades into the batmobile, particularly the ones that make your shots hit harder or reload faster
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Jul 7, 2015 21:02
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Aquasnake posted:I never complained the game punishes too heavily, I've played through all the games on hard and I always get armor last, everything else is much better bang for your buck. You don't have to play perfectly, just decently. Yeah but I'm talking about the other guy.  The most important upgrades are Tank Shot speed and the thing that makes your combo moves doable at 5 instead of 8.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:04
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redbackground posted:Yup. Once I realized just how often I'd be using Batmobile weaponry in the same kinds of fights, I made sure to prioritize them.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:16
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QuantumNinja posted:I think it's ironic that you're complaining about difficulty in one breath and praising it in the next. Eh, the Batmobile combat is frustrating and not fun enough that I don't want to be forced into long drawnout tank fights all the time. But I've also played 4 of these games and I'm not awful at combat and predator stuff. Those are pretty fun, especially with some of the new enemies and new gadgets to play with. Now I just wish we had more challenge maps.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:20
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Hahaha, took me loving forever to find the final Riddle. I was convinced it was a statue or something, and got increasingly annoyed that no more Riddler goons were spawning. It's the Batmobile. 
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Jul 7, 2015 21:23
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Sober posted:My train of thought was after seeing how many moves you start off with and how used I am to the combat/predator stuff, the upgrades were useless or wouldn't make as huge of an impact, even the armour for Batman. The Batmobile on the other hand kept getting a lot of use and was fairly new so I decided on those upgrades more often than not to give myself a little more breathing room. A lot of the gadget/fighting upgrades were things that I would use maybe like once or twice a game (esp. needing longer smoke pellets and various specialized takedowns). Quicker recharge on the canon? Yeah, I'm going to be using that a few hundred times. Same with the Batman armor--if I'm being shot or punched that much, I'm not Batmanning correctly. redbackground fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 21:26
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Narcissus1916 posted:Throw all your upgrades into the batmobile, particularly the ones that make your shots hit harder or reload faster - its downright necessary in a way that "useless but cool batman combat move" isn't. Yeah. Batmobile weaponry is the first set of upgrades, then the key combat moves (D&D, X5 specials, Free flow Mk 2, Criticals), Fear takedowns, and then armor or gadgets. At least once you get to Founders you start swimming in skill points.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:32
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Some of these trophies are going to be a pain in the butt--5 perfect critical shots in a row without taking damage? That is going to be really hard.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:49
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theflyingorc posted:lol no, if your planned strategy is "i will not make any mistakes", then you don't really get to complain that the game punishes your mistakes too heavily. Batman can take four or five hits from gunfire OR melee before he goes down, even on hard mode, at base health. Your health refills to completely full after any fight, even a non-story-related one. The health upgrades are completely useless even if you make mistakes. edit: Hell, Arkham Knight made it even easier re: gunfire because bullets actually plink away at you now instead of one hit = one health chunk.
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Emron posted:Some of these trophies are going to be a pain in the butt--5 perfect critical shots in a row without taking damage? That is going to be really hard.
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Jul 7, 2015 22:10
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Anyone have any ideas whats behind all these discarded prams around Gotham? Some are empty, some have hosed up little dollies in
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Jul 7, 2015 22:12
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poptart_fairy posted:Hahaha, took me loving forever to find the final Riddle. I was convinced it was a statue or something, and got increasingly annoyed that no more Riddler goons were spawning. I'm at like 85% and I got this riddle completely by accident 
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CJacobs posted:Batman can take four or five hits from gunfire OR melee before he goes down, even on hard mode, at base health. Your health refills to completely full after any fight, even a non-story-related one. The health upgrades are completely useless even if you make mistakes. The game has so many optional things to upgrade, but so many points, it'd be tough to really do anything wrong. For me having the special combo shock move and the combo grapple move was good, but I didn't need the combo gel move, etc. And in general I didn't use a lot of pre-placed explosive gels so I didn't upgrade those much, etc. I heard the double dodge on the batmobile was a key upgrade but I never needed to get it. There's no one way to do it really.
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Sober posted:If you're on PC it's not too difficult, just switch to mouse aim if you're on a controller. Luckily you can score them on AR challengers, so untouchable is probably your best bet. I'm on PS4. I ran through untouchable a few times, and the best I could get to was three. It's not the "don't take damage" bit, it's that sometimes I swear the crosshairs are on the vital spot and still miss. (Other times I just miss because I'm bad at video games)
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Jul 7, 2015 22:28
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The only upgrades you should only go for when you've nothing else to spend are the disruptor - stun sticks and disruptor - drone gun upgrades. Those should be the last of the last. Especially the latter, why would you use it, except for comedic purposes?
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So I gave the Riddler bullshit an honest try. After an hour or so of not even getting halfway past Bleake Island, I just called it quits, beat the game, and am about to youtube the Knightfall Protocol because for some reason despite Riddler being the only thing I'm missing I can't even trigger the incomplete ending. EDIT: Yup glad I youtubed it Calaveron fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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ShineDog posted:Suicide Squad seems like the best choice for a game after this. DC has a videogame problem that marvel doesn't really share where the characters the mainstream really knows are pretty much Batman, Batfamily, or ridiculously powered gods who probably don't make for the best games. They could just make a Green Arrow game. How much would they have to change really? I'm pretty sure the cast of Arrow wouldn't have much of an issue doing the voice work either.
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Sober posted:The only upgrades you should only go for when you've nothing else to spend are the disruptor - stun sticks and disruptor - drone gun upgrades. Those should be the last of the last. Especially the latter, why would you use it, except for comedic purposes? Tyree posted:They could just make a Green Arrow game. How much would they have to change really? I'm pretty sure the cast of Arrow wouldn't have much of an issue doing the voice work either. After watching Arrow, I feel a Green Arrow game would be better handled by Naughty Dog's style of melee combat, and I'm pretty sure they have more experience with ranged combat as well that would be vital for Green Arrow too. Now that I think about it, the parkour works as well. Aquasnake fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I'm at like 85% and I got this riddle completely by accident I never put two and two together when I got "subject obscured" if it was in shot!
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Aquasnake posted:Are you talking about the skills to completely invalidate stun sticks. And blow up drones that shoot at you? Two incredibly nice quality of life skills? Nah, the disruptor stun stick and drone disable skills are pretty useless. The Rec gun and disarm and destroy are both better for stun stickers and it's usually trivial to sneak up behind the dozen or so drone operators in the game.
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Man, going back to Arkham Asylum is such a refresher from this game. Arkham Asylum has, I think, four enemy types. This game has twelve. I really really like this game but they went super batshit overboard with how many gadgets/moves Batman has and how many types of enemies there are and the tactics they require. edit: Asylum has: - Normal mooks - Knife guys (require a cape stun) - Shield guys (require a stun/block break) - Zapper guys (require a dodge or otherwise attack from behind) Occasionally there are titan enemies but they're mostly for boss fights. This game has: - Normal mooks - Knife guys (require a cape stun) - Shield guys (require a stun/block break) - Zapper guys (require a dodge or otherwise attack from behind) - Medics (I won't count their resurrection/lightning-imbuing as multiple enemy types here) - Ninjas (don't even make sense in this game) - Drone guys - Tall guys (require a stun + beat down) - Tall shield guys (require a big stun + beat down) - Tall zapper guys (require a backflip + stun + beat down) - Tall knife guys (the same as the normal tall guys except they can do knife attacks) And at least one I can't remember off the top of my head. Half of that list just feels so unnecessary and cluttered. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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The drone gun distruptor is actually the one for the tanks. 8 Waynetech points. Better just spend those on the Batmobile armour upgrades, roll up and shoot the drat thing instead.
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CJacobs posted:And at least one I can't remember off the top of my head. Half of that list just feels so unnecessary and cluttered. The minigunners? Plus the electrified mooks.
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CJacobs posted:Man, going back to Arkham Asylum is such a refresher from this game. Arkham Asylum has, I think, four enemy types. This game has twelve. I really really like this game but they went super batshit overboard with how many gadgets/moves Batman has and how many types of enemies there are and the tactics they require. You can also quickfire REC to disable the stunsticks temporarily. REC vs shield or brute causes them to swipe wildly around them. Drone dudes are predator only. Brutes (the big tall guys) require a beatdown or 2 takedown combos (Y+B/Triangle+Circle). Shield brutes actually need an aerial attack INTO a beatdown. The more advanced brutes are just variations on the same - shield/stun stick/blades. The most elite ones swap inbetween mid fight but have the same methods to deal with. Remember if you use a hard counter against a specific enemy type (aerial attack vs. shield, beatdown vs. brutes) you get invincibility frames, whereas you don't if you just do them on the 'wrong' type. Also to note if you pick up a weapon (bat, pipe, etc.) then you can just basic strike - it goes through all enemy types.
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Calaveron posted:So I gave the Riddler bullshit an honest try. After an hour or so of not even getting halfway past Bleake Island, I just called it quits, beat the game, and am about to youtube the Knightfall Protocol because for some reason despite Riddler being the only thing I'm missing I can't even trigger the incomplete ending. The Riddler stuff worked in Asylum because it was a smaller space. Also, the riddles seemed better. They were rarely fun in City, and I wish Knight had just replaced them entirely with the races and death traps.
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CJacobs posted:Batman can take four or five hits from gunfire OR melee before he goes down, even on hard mode, at base health. Your health refills to completely full after any fight, even a non-story-related one. The health upgrades are completely useless even if you make mistakes. You people are playing a lot more cautiously than I do, apparently. Predator challenges are basically "how fast can I do this" Also, I finished every challenge room in City and I never got used to the timing on countering brutes in Arkham Knight.
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Funky Valentine posted:Considering the blunt hints that Barb's death wasn't real to begin with - like Joker physically moving the gun she picked up - it's a really loving stupid complaint. Well, that could have been part of the hallucination.
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theflyingorc posted:You people are playing a lot more cautiously than I do, apparently. Predator challenges are basically "how fast can I do this" Timeless Appeal posted:I like Catwoman's reaction to Riddler's bullshit. What's the point of actually tracking down the trophies if he's just going to indefinitely hangout in a pit anyway?
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Crashbee posted:Nah, the disruptor stun stick and drone disable skills are pretty useless. The Rec gun and disarm and destroy are both better for stun stickers and it's usually trivial to sneak up behind the dozen or so drone operators in the game. The drone upgrade is useful against any type of drone in the game that isn't a sentry gun. This includes tanks, the big turret platforms, helicopters, and flying drones. There are a few late game checkpoints where this makes it incredibly easy to ace without just using the batmobile.
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The only upgrades I've found to be completely useless are the Glide Gadgets. I saved all of those for last.
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Yeah I was annoyed by the cornhole-a-Cobra combat after a while. I get that they were going for Tank Predator mode to mix up the Batmobile combat. But there really aren't enough tricks to pull to make it satisfying. You either luck out with a tank that is far from his buddies, or you get the Cobra lure to draw one out. That's about it. In contrast, this is the most fun I've had with the regular predator mode in all four games. To be honest, I tended to cheese them from Asylum to Origins. I did a shitload of Inverted Takedowns to the point where I spent a lot of time cutting mooks down just so I could string up another. AK gives you so many options that you can change strategies on the fly. I'd go in for some kind of basic takedown and find I could pull off a Fear chain, or wind up close enough to a drone guy to hack his controller and take out three at once. And any disruptor takedown that made goons take themselves out was great.
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