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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Making them humanlike is stupid, because then people might mistakenly think they have feelings, or deserve rights or respect. Agreed - however, on the other hand, that also means you can have sex with them. It's a double-edged sword. I hope the game will explore this moral ambiguity.
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ED-E deserves rights and respect. But only ED-E.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:50
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ED-E is alright. But these C-3PO-looking motherfuckers? Bitch please.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:50
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Machines are not people and do not have free will. If this game doesn't let me side against the robots I'll be very mad.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:51
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Funky Valentine posted:ED-E deserves rights and respect. ED-E is a robot-shaped friend.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:52
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Machines are not people and do not have free will. If this game doesn't let me side against the robots I'll be very mad.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:52
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Strudel Man posted:You can, but it'll be the bad choice, and Three-Dog will say mean things about you.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:53
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Machines are not people and do not have free will. If this game doesn't let me side against the robots I'll be very mad. I bet it's possible but it will be the evil choice because the Institute harvests baby souls to further their research or some poo poo.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:54
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If the speculation that the PC is an android turns out to be correct, Zoq Fot is going to have a Twilight Zone level "WHAT?! It can't be?" reaction before finding controls to turn his gun on himself.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:54
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It's tough to rule out machines being capable of free will, especially in fiction. You can't really even prove that people do.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:54
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John Fallout: (Whilst dumping Nuka Cola barrels over the side of the Brotherhood jet frigate during the Boston Tea Party reference quest) (whispering) Tax this, motherfuckers.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:55
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I was thinking more about the post-Broken Steel ending where you do the non-stupid thing, but yeah, that works too.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:55
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Fooz posted:It's tough to rule out machines being capable of free will, especially in fiction. You can't really even prove that people do. Did Asimov put you up to this? If I ever meet him in real life...
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Jul 8, 2015 20:56
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Bicyclops posted:If the speculation that the PC is an android turns out to be correct, Zoq Fot is going to have a Twilight Zone level "WHAT?! It can't be?" reaction before finding controls to turn his gun on himself. If the PC is an android then the only correct choice will be to fulfill his programmed purpose and serve his creator.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:56
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Are we about to have The Transporter Debate?
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Machines are not people and do not have free will. If this game doesn't let me side against the robots I'll be very mad. They seem to be going for a Bladerunner vibe, and the "Androids" in Bladerunner weren't robots, they where heavily genetically modified humans. Maybe in a post-apocalyptic world with no industrial infrastructure it is easier to make biological androids?
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Jul 8, 2015 20:57
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The bad endings will be if you succumb to a glitch or subversion and turn against your creator, mistakenly believing you are self-aware and have freedom of choice.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:58
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Machines are not people and do not have free will. If this game doesn't let me side against the robots I'll be very mad. I'm going to lock you in a room with the Talos Principle and no food.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:58
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Sharkopath posted:I'm going to lock you in a room with the Talos Principle and no food. 
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Jul 8, 2015 21:01
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Robots are our friends who use lasers to subdue our enemies.
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Jul 8, 2015 21:03
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The Transporter Debate always begins with the Matrix AI rights thing, moves on to Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom or something comparable, and then gets transported out into space.
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Jul 8, 2015 21:03
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Sharkopath posted:Robots are our friends who use lasers to subdue our enemies. One day perhaps I could learn to respect a robot...maybe even love them. But today is not that day.
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Jul 8, 2015 21:04
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Sharkopath posted:Robots are our There. A category that allows you to assert humanity's dominance over them but still requires you to treat them with both love and respect.
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Jul 8, 2015 21:07
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Why even eat if I can just transport the nutrients straight into my blood? Fallouts are good games and I am excited to play the new one.
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Jul 8, 2015 21:08
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Jul 8, 2015 21:11
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Rutibex posted:They seem to be going for a Bladerunner vibe, and the "Androids" in Bladerunner weren't robots, they where heavily genetically modified humans. Maybe in a post-apocalyptic world with no industrial infrastructure it is easier to make biological androids? They weren't based off the human genome, it's just that the demand for lifelike androids was so strong that they end up making them almost indistinguishable. It was the same in Rossum's Universal Robots. The robots could be confused for human, but had had their artificial muscles woven on looms. The play is the the origin of the word Robot by the way, the word robota is Czech for forced labor.
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Jul 8, 2015 21:31
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Phlegmish posted:One day perhaps I could learn to respect a robot...maybe even love them. But today is not that day. Look, my pappy told me that those...things ain't people. They just different. That's what his pappy tol' him, and his pappy 'fore that. I'm set in my ways, dammit.
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FISTO is our robo savior. Tearing down barriers one felatio at a time. Hihohe fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Jul 8, 2015 21:42
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A quest in which Rod Serling narrates the beginning, everyone calls the androids "ro-butts" and everyone experiences Cold War paranoia over which person might be a robutt, tearing their community apart.
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Jul 8, 2015 21:49
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sout posted:It's all basic houses and perhaps giant dick statues from here on out. ...I kinda think this should be the thread title.
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Jul 8, 2015 21:54
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BenRGamer posted:...I kinda think this should be the thread title. It should be Monster Brew crew.
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Jul 8, 2015 21:55
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Man who is the Old Man's voice in Bethesda games, do they keep him locked in their headquarters or something
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Jul 8, 2015 21:59
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frajaq posted:Man who is the Old Man's voice in Bethesda games, do they keep him locked in their headquarters or something I think it's Jim Cummings. After a while all old people in Bethesda games start to sound like Tigger.
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Jul 8, 2015 22:00
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Bicyclops posted:Are we about to have The Transporter Debate? What's there to debate? It's a good action film.
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Fooz posted:It's tough to rule out machines being capable of free will, especially in fiction. You can't really even prove that people do. Spoilers, machines don't have free will, the PC is being controlled remotely and their actions are being dictated by someone watching through a computer screen. Insert short video of todd howard making the inception noise with his mouth and doing this: 
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I'd say the only time you'd ever want a life-like robot if is you want to create a total loyal spy or assassin, like in Terminator. But the trailer just shows a bunch of angry man-shaped robots shooting at you because Bethesda just does poo poo they think is super cool.
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Jul 8, 2015 23:08
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Funky Valentine posted:ED-E deserves rights and respect. What about Fisto. 
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OwlFancier posted:Spoilers, machines don't have free will, the PC is being controlled remotely and their actions are being dictated by someone watching through a computer screen. The Bureau: XCOM Declassified already pulled a stupid loving stunt kinda like that
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SunAndSpring posted:I'd say the only time you'd ever want a life-like robot if is you want to create a total loyal spy or assassin, like in Terminator. But the trailer just shows a bunch of angry man-shaped robots shooting at you because Bethesda just does poo poo they think is super cool. Those look more like the synthetics from Alien Isolation, which makes me think they're cheapo androids not actually designed to think they're human and are probably just berserk like all the Mr. Handies and Protectotrons you find roaming the wastes shooting things. Maybe they were designed for poo poo like standing at kiosks or sexing, but now they shoot people.
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Lotish posted:Those look more like the synthetics from Alien Isolation, which makes me think they're cheapo androids not actually designed to think they're human and are probably just berserk like all the Mr. Handies and Protectotrons you find roaming the wastes shooting things. Maybe they were designed for poo poo like standing at kiosks or sexing, but now they shoot people. This is my guess. We already know perfectly human androids exist. It's pretty normal and sensible for there to also be robots that are simply humanoid in form but clearly robots.
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