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Talmonis posted:The bolded is actually what concerns me about this blocklist. From what I've read in this thread, it adds you to the list if it even detects that you follow a set number of "known" GamerGaters and has nothing to do with your actual posting habits. That could very easily catch innocent people who don't belong there, and to get it removed you have to prostrate yourself to some hipster and "prove" yourself? gently caress that. What does it matter, though? What are they losing if someone blocks them? Are you still under the impression this is used for hiring and firing decisions or something?
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Slanderer posted:To normal people, this is proof that you are batshit crazy true believer. These do not substantiate your claims. Did you even read what you linked? Don't you understand? EVERYTHING is a smoking gun! You just aren't looking it at right. Like that guy earlier in the thread that had absolute irrefutable proof that Brianna Wu staged an elaborate false flag attack on herself. His evidence? A screenshot of her making a snarky passive-aggressive comment about Gamergate on Steam. It's consistently the worst internet detective work I've ever seen. They're really piecing together the puzzle here, even if it does mean cutting the wiggly bits off the jigsaw pieces and occasionally substituting navel lint to fill in the gaps.
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Talmonis posted:The bolded is actually what concerns me about this blocklist. From what I've read in this thread, it adds you to the list if it even detects that you follow a set number of "known" GamerGaters and has nothing to do with your actual posting habits. That could very easily catch innocent people who don't belong there, and to get it removed you have to prostrate yourself to some hipster and "prove" yourself? gently caress that. See this is actually a fairly reasonable concern. Again though, we've been given no evidence that any employers are actually checking prospective employees against this list in their hiring process.
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Nonsense posted:You've never ridden the bus, nor know what I'm talking about, and you brought loving womendoittoo!!1 and purses. Be silent dog. I ride the Metro to Chicago every day, five days a week. This why manspreading is laughable to the vast majority of people. Wanderer posted:Anthony Burch has people come onto his Twitter to talk poo poo about his relationship with his (ex?)wife sometimes, and is still tight enough with Gearbox that he's credited as a writer on the third episode of Tales from the Borderlands. Frank still writes for the Guardian and I can pretty much say the same as everyone else.
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NutritiousSnack posted:I ride the Metro to Chicago every day, five days a week. This why manspreading is laughable to the vast majority of people. I ride the NYC subway. It's something that happens. Is it a huge deal? No. Does it happen? Yes. Is it weird to deal with? You betcha. How did this come up again?
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NutritiousSnack posted:Women do it and...get this...put their purses and bags on other seats. But get this, and this is the amazing part, when the bus fills up both women and men stop taking up space and let other people sit next to them. Do note that there are assholes of both genders who behave quite obnoxiously even on the crowded bus, this still doesn't warrant legislating against Manspreading seriously or pushing for a Purse Seating prohibition. Rather creates more problems than it solves, rendering it a questionable solution indeed.
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Talmonis posted:For example; I'm not a fan of Anita Sarkeesian's work, but I follow her to see what new idiocy she or Macintosh will spew forth next. If GamerGate had a blocklist, I'm sure I'd be on there for the people I watch the tweets of. Who cares. Why would this matter or impact your life in the slightest? NutritiousSnack posted:So the fact Alex, Harper, and Burch are unemployed for stupid statements they've said is good and normal? And by "fact" you mean "lie"
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Dominic White posted:Don't you understand? EVERYTHING is a smoking gun! You just aren't looking it at right. Like that guy earlier in the thread that had absolute irrefutable proof that Brianna Wu staged an elaborate false flag attack on herself. His evidence? A screenshot of her making a snarky passive-aggressive comment about Gamergate on Steam. dominic I've been informed you have a list of people GG killed 
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Dominic White posted:Don't you understand? EVERYTHING is a smoking gun! You just aren't looking it at right. Like that guy earlier in the thread that had absolute irrefutable proof that Brianna Wu staged an elaborate false flag attack on herself. His evidence? A screenshot of her making a snarky passive-aggressive comment about Gamergate on Steam. Well now that you, the man with the objectively worst opinions about everything, is here and shown yourself to be anti-gamergate, the pro-gamer gate side can rejoice in the moral victory of being on whatever side you're not. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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bloodysabbath posted:Because AAA games are totally super important vehicles for social issues that will Change The World (tm) Mass media is still important enough to be worthy of criticism and analysis. A triple-A mass market game can still have a social impact and a message, both of which are worth exploring and discussing. Arguing otherwise is just placing an arbitrary gate.
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Talmonis posted:The bolded is actually what concerns me about this blocklist. From what I've read in this thread, it adds you to the list if it even detects that you follow a set number of "known" GamerGaters and has nothing to do with your actual posting habits. That could very easily catch innocent people who don't belong there, and to get it removed you have to prostrate yourself to some hipster and "prove" yourself? gently caress that. Gamergate does have blocklists, and just like anyone's twitter (or somethingawful, or porn, or website) blocklist, you have to opt-in to use it. You're not using an adblocker, are you?
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Hulk Krogan posted:See this is actually a fairly reasonable concern. Again though, we've been given no evidence that any employers are actually checking prospective employees against this list in their hiring process. There are definitely false positives on the GG Autoblocker, but they're almost always corporate accounts that follow people automatically, like KFC. And if I've blocked someone on twitter and they're not a jerk? Well, they can email me or contact me on skype - my details are public. If anyone contacted me (nobody has) I'd look at their twitter history for ten seconds (usually enough to see if they're a raging tool) and just click Unblock.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Frank still writes for the Guardian and I can pretty much say the same as everyone else. You're pretty willfully dense about this, huh. O__O posted:Well now that you, the man with the objectively worst opinions about everything, is here and shown yourself to be anti-gamergate, the pro-gamer gate side can rejoice in the moral victory of being on whatever side you're not. He's not Vox Day, so he's still pretty safe there.
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Fluo posted:dominic I've been informed you have a list of people GG killed I've been informed you're a racist who can't tell two Asian guys apart: Fluo posted:Good example, Arthur Chu former nazi, all round idiot. When he was AGG people would fall over themselves defending him. When he switched they brought up the same poo poo people did when he was on their side.
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Useful Distraction posted:And by "fact" you mean "lie" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Snark posted:Do note that there are assholes of both genders who behave quite obnoxiously even on the crowded bus, this still doesn't warrant legislating against Manspreading seriously or pushing for a Purse Seating prohibition. Who is legislating against manspreading? People complained about it and, at least here in NYC, they put up some signs on the subway telling people not to take up more space than necessary on a crowded train. By the way these signs appear alongside about a dozen other signs telling people not to eat or clip their toenails on the train, not to block the doors, etc.
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NutritiousSnack posted:So the fact Alex, Harper, and Burch are unemployed for stupid statements they've said is good and normal? Wasn't alex lifschitz the one who had a potential employer bombared with hate mail about him after GG internet detectives found out where he had a job offer? Because, uh, that doesn't exactly look great for GG.
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Obdicut posted:What does it matter, though? What are they losing if someone blocks them? It could very well be made public at some point to Doxx people. If your name is on that list, and you didn't want to kiss the feet of some trumped up gatekeeper out of principle or laziness or what have you, you very well could suffer consequences for it. As again, it's a list of people they suspect of being harassers and Gamergate affiliates. That sort of accusation would be damaging to any respectable person's reputation. There is no proof that this is currently happening, but we're not exactly privy to various HR units internal processes. I would rather not be on this list, just in case.
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Slanderer posted:Wasn't alex lifschitz the one who had a potential employer bombared with hate mail about him after GG internet detectives found out where he had a job offer? Yep. They were willing to still hire him, but he decided it would be best to not take the job because of the amount of hate they were getting.
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Torpor posted:This thread is like an ouriboros of terrifying proportions. Or the worlds greatest tribute to sisyphus. Can we make Quinn a mod just to gas the thread? I think it would be poetic. Then there are people like who, are the most pathetic of all.
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Talmonis posted:It could very well be made public at some point to Doxx people. If your name is on that list, and you didn't want to kiss the feet of some trumped up gatekeeper out of principle or laziness or what have you, you very well could suffer consequences for it. As again, it's a list of people they suspect of being harassers and Gamergate affiliates. That sort of accusation would be damaging to any respectable person's reputation. Just FYI, blocklists are public. That's how they're shared. Should lowtax ban people who post their ignore list? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3720225 Fansy fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Wanderer posted:You're pretty willfully dense about this, huh. I can quote Game of Thrones to make most posts more illuminating to you. Slanderer posted:Wasn't alex lifschitz the one who had a potential employer bombared with hate mail about him after GG internet detectives found out where he had a job offer? That's what he said. The same could be said for the Doom 4 Dev, the creator of Kingdom Come Deliverance, and a dozen other people. Unlike them he had been fired previously for stupid poo poo he said on twitter and social media, so it's likely either they found out about it on their own or GG just redirected towards that. Which is indeed hypocritical but something people here think is cool.
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Fansy posted:Gamergate does have blocklists, and just like anyone's twitter (or somethingawful, or porn, or website) blocklist, you have to opt-in to use it. I would ask for citation, but I don't actually care. If anyone is using such, it's quite stupid regardless of agenda. Unless you plan on going through such a list to ensure they're valid, you're doing yourself a profound disservice. Dominic White posted:There are definitely false positives on the GG Autoblocker, but they're almost always corporate accounts that follow people automatically, like KFC. And if I've blocked someone on twitter and they're not a jerk? Well, they can email me or contact me on skype - my details are public. If anyone contacted me (nobody has) I'd look at their twitter history for ten seconds (usually enough to see if they're a raging tool) and just click Unblock. Almost always? If the purpose of the Autoblocker is to stop harassers and not just keep you from seeing people you disagree with, the reports seem to suggest the false positives are much higher than that. If it's purpose is to just filter out dissenting opinion, you're golden. It'd still be stupid. As for your lovely unblocking system you have worked out, how many people do you expect to petition you to unblock them? Even if not especially if it was unjust? Are your words just that coveted?
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Talmonis posted:It could very well be made public at some point to Doxx people. If your name is on that list, and you didn't want to kiss the feet of some trumped up gatekeeper out of principle or laziness or what have you, you very well could suffer consequences for it. Solution: If you don't want to be flagged by this incredibly basic, open-source and fully documented autoblocker, don't go following all of Gamergate's biggest ringleaders on Twitter. If you really can't resist the urge to fill your timeline with 8chan garbage and calls to 'correct' SJWs five times a day? Well, a lot of people won't want to hear from you. Deal with it. The Snark posted:As for your lovely unblocking system you have worked out, how many people do you expect to petition you to unblock them? Even if not especially if it was unjust? Are your words just that coveted? If someone is upset that I'd block them on Twitter, presumably they want to talk to me! In fact, a lot have created burner accounts just to yell at me, which kinda proves that they really, REALLY care what I think of them. And then I block the burner accounts.
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Serf posted:Yep. They were willing to still hire him, but he decided it would be best to not take the job because of the amount of hate they were getting. Yeah this was an utter lie.
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Talmonis posted:It could very well be made public at some point to Doxx people. If your name is on that list, and you didn't want to kiss the feet of some trumped up gatekeeper out of principle or laziness or what have you, you very well could suffer consequences for it. X So for totally hypothetical reasons that aren't actually happening, it could be bad if something happened. True. This is kind of an absurd reason to be afraid of it. If someone is doxxing everyone on that list, they could be doxxing everyone through some other method too--the fault is not the list, it's the moron doing the doxxing. quote:As again, it's a list of people they suspect of being harassers and Gamergate affiliates. That sort of accusation would be damaging to any respectable person's reputation. This is a really enormous stretch. Can you actually name or show anyone using this list for any purpose whatsoever other than to block people on their twitter feeds? Are you against all blocklists entirely? Do you understand their utility? I don't use twitter and the reason they exist seems instantly obvious to me. quote:There is no proof that this is currently happening, but we're not exactly privy to various HR units internal processes. I would rather not be on this list, just in case. Again, the fault would be on the HR people then, not the list itself. This is similar to people freaking out about the industry-email-list that existed, citing that some people were using it to do bad things; if true, that's on the people doing the bad things with it, not the existence of the email distribution list itself.
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Talmonis posted:It could very well be made public at some point to Doxx people. If your name is on that list, and you didn't want to kiss the feet of some trumped up gatekeeper out of principle or laziness or what have you, you very well could suffer consequences for it. As again, it's a list of people they suspect of being harassers and Gamergate affiliates. That sort of accusation would be damaging to any respectable person's reputation. I think Randy posted (or was going to post) the membership lists of public and member-only (but not private) gamergate facebook groups (which people joined voluntary). This was met with screaming about both doxxing (somewhat warranted, but that's unclear if its just names w/o links to profiles) and blacklisting. I was amused that people thought blacklists were something you could sign up for.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Yeah this was an utter lie. Got any proof of that?
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The Snark posted:As for your lovely unblocking system you have worked out, how many people do you expect to petition you to unblock them? Even if not especially if it was unjust? Are your words just that coveted? A GamerGate sympathizer leaked those actual "deliberations" and it was just them making fun of the people asked them to get off the blockbot.
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Serf posted:Got any proof of that? Got any proof it's true? Especially since he was unemployed for awhile for stupid poo poo he said on twitter.
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Dominic White posted:Don't you understand? EVERYTHING is a smoking gun! You just aren't looking it at right. Like that guy earlier in the thread that had absolute irrefutable proof that Brianna Wu staged an elaborate false flag attack on herself. His evidence? A screenshot of her making a snarky passive-aggressive comment about Gamergate on Steam. It's odd because there's actually a free project to educate people on the correct methods of "citizens investigative journalism" that have actually been used to help fight actual corruption all around the world. https://www.bellingcat.com/ You even get to draw squiggly lines around things! The difference is the guy who set this up is actually legit, knows what he's doing, and actually takes some measure of quality standards. He's even a goon, so it's not outside the realm of possibility for the rest of us to accomplish this.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Got any proof it's true? Especially since he was unemployed for awhile for stupid poo poo he said on twitter. I mean it's what they guy said. Given that no one at the company he was going to work for has said anything to the contrary I see no reason to doubt him.
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Nonsense posted:I don't even know what the gently caress is going on in this thread anymore, who the gently caress brought up sea lions. I'm saying there have been literal threads on SA with dudes pretending they have balls that get crushed sitting like a n****l human being. Please don't use that problematic word.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Got any proof it's true? Especially since he was unemployed for awhile for stupid poo poo he said on twitter. Isn't the burden of proof on you there?
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NutritiousSnack posted:Got any proof it's true? Especially since he was unemployed for awhile for stupid poo poo he said on twitter. The only "proof" of anything is what Alex himself said happened.
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The Snark posted:If anyone is using such, it's quite stupid regardless of agenda. Unless you plan on going through such a list to ensure they're valid, you're doing yourself a profound disservice. There are ~500,000,000 tweets per day. I thank you for your concern, but I'm not too worried about missing tweets concerning video game journalism conspiracies. https://blocktogether.org/ (subscribe to @randi_ebooks)
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Serf posted:I mean it's what they guy said. Given that no one at the company he was going to work for has said anything to the contrary I see no reason to doubt him. His previous history, why he lost his job in the first place to the general poo poo he claims when on twitter, forgetting GG entirely. Wanderer posted:Isn't the burden of proof on you there? Because this thread has an insanely high threshold for claims that anti GG does this for some odd reason.
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