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Airspace posted:Along with what's already been said, let me condense how your opinions of furrydom and anime looks to me in a single sentence for each. Sounds like another case of goons being goons.  I didn't mean to turn this into a Anime discussion but I am not surprised at all on the outcome of this.
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Megabound posted:Huh? Anime is a media, Furrydom is a clique of people, it is defined by its participants. Furry art is a media; it's ultimately what the fandom is based around, for better or for worse. Really, the two fandoms are pretty similar from all that I've seen- it's just that one is larger than the other. Sizone posted:More that people immediately point out that furydom has no moral high ground over it and that the two aren't really comparable. Both of which are true. I'm not interested in moral high-ground one way or another. I loving loathe anime as an art style and a fandom, and I don't need convincing that actually it's all amazing, or parts of it are excellent, or whatever. My life is happily anime-free, has been for 33 years (barring occurrences I've already described) and god-willing will remain so until the day I die. This is not a question of morals, but one of taste. Airspace posted:Along with what's already been said, let me condense how your opinions of furrydom and anime looks to me in a single sentence for each. Are you perhaps aware of what is known as 'hyperbole'? I'm well aware that anime isn't all loli or whatever the gently caress weird name the paedo-poo poo is given. In the same way that I hope, most people are well aware by now that furry is not entirely filled with dogfuckers or whatever. I've responded reasonably (I believe) to every accusation and insult thrown towards my past lifestyle and indeed my person in this thread so far- if you (plural) are so deeply offended by my dislike of anime, perhaps you should look at why that is? Or, you know, we could stop talking about the loving thing, which has little to no relation to the topic of this thread in the first place.
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Jul 6, 2015 15:32
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Camrath posted:This is not a question of morals, but one of taste. That's not the way you've been framing or arguing it, but you're right that it's time to drop it. Let's segue out gently, is there such a thing as a casual fur?
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Sizone posted:That's not the way you've been framing or arguing it, but you're right that it's time to drop it. Let's segue out gently, is there such a thing as a casual fur? Yeah- I answered that earlier, but I'd say probably the majority (though not a large majority) of the social scene could be defined that way. Certainly, taking the fandom as a whole rather than just the social side of it, I'd say that probably the largest percentile are just art fans whose interaction is entirely internet-based. On another note, this popped up in my feed on facebook today. It's Vice, so not terribly well written but this is the group I used to run; they've evidently changed some names but I know or knew most of the people that they talk about in it. http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/roaming-the-streets-with-londons-furries-929?utm_source=vicefbuk
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Camrath posted:Yeah- I answered that earlier, but I'd say probably the majority (though not a large majority) of the social scene could be defined that way. Certainly, taking the fandom as a whole rather than just the social side of it, I'd say that probably the largest percentile are just art fans whose interaction is entirely internet-based. I find this image to be particularly hilarious. He basically just sewed abs onto his suit.
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Jul 7, 2015 19:11
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ShadowCatboy posted:I find this image to be particularly hilarious. He basically just sewed abs onto his suit. Yeah. Muscle padding can look good if done well. That is.. Not done well. To put it kindly.
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"More prosaically, SciBat – who's real name is Gavin, a computer programmer from Hither Green – has thinning hair tied into a ponytail and wears an ill-fitting shirt covered in psychedelic patterns." What a flattering description of someone to post online for the entire world to see. How does it work, a bunch of people in fursuits meeting at a bar? Do they have to remove the heads to order a drink, or yell loudly? I bet those heads muffle all sound like crazy and make social interactions difficult.
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How common is it for furries to take on the dietary preferences of their fursonas? For example, a rabbit who becomes vegetarian, or a lion who refuses to eat anything but rare steak.
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TunaSpleen posted:"More prosaically, SciBat – who's real name is Gavin, a computer programmer from Hither Green – has thinning hair tied into a ponytail and wears an ill-fitting shirt covered in psychedelic patterns." I know who they're talking about. It's an accurate description. People don't actually meet up in fursuits/wear them all through the meet. There's a seperate changing area where people get dressed in them before the fursuit walk/whenever they want to get in costume. It's actually pretty uncommon for fullsuiters to hang around inside the bar- if only because it's crowded and hot, neither of which are things you want to deal with in fursuit. Most people only change for the walk then get out of suit after- the smell in the bar when the walk returns is.. potent to say the least. Citrus Sky posted:How common is it for furries to take on the dietary preferences of their fursonas? For example, a rabbit who becomes vegetarian, or a lion who refuses to eat anything but rare steak. Never heard of anyone doing this intentionally, though that's not to say that it hasn't happened. BiggerJ posted:Is it true that animation companies tend to (or used to) blacklist furries? It's a persistent rumour that's been around since at least the 90s that Warner Brothers dropped the Minerva Mink character from Animaniacs due to the amount of furry art produced of her, and one particular fan getting a bit stalky. This was before my time, but if there IS a ban then that's probably where it comes from.
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Camrath posted:I know who they're talking about. It's an accurate description. That story is loving amazing. I don't know where the official story is but I'll try to recall it from memory. So in the 90s the furry community was pretty tightly knit and everyone knew everyone (in the major areas I guess) and since they were so close there were a bunch of self-imposed rules they all followed and agreed to respect other people's "claims". So, in the 90s there was a local furry convention in LA that coincidentally happened near the WB animation studios where the animation staff worked. Some big name furry who was obsessed with Minerva Mink ended up staging a rather elaborate wedding or something, and there was official furry press release to those in the know that Minerva Mink was off limits to anyone else because this furry now had sole claim to her. I don't know how events conspired that the actual artists working on the show heard about this, something about overhearing it at a bar and then checking it out for themselves, but then the artists got pissed off, went back and drew a bunch of posters and drawings that was Minerva Mink saying things like "No man can tie me down, I'm still single and loving it" , and plastered them all over the hotel the furry convention was at. There was some serious fallout amongst the furries as people recognized official art when they saw it and the sensible people said "Look, you can't own a character, just let it go" while other people lost their poo poo and caused a fuckload of drama over it. I may not have the right character, but that event did happen over some fictional female furry cartoon character. There was also this guy http://unpromisedone.blogspot.com/2012/11/meet-dennis-quozl-falk-man-who-got-tiny.html pentyne fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Jul 8, 2015 12:09
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pentyne posted:
That definitely happened, all I can find though is this Blingee'd version of that picture. For obvious reasons I don't care to linger too long in a Google image search for this character.  I know I've seen the clean version before as well. This *might* be the event, according to the poster this took place in 2001 and the guy seems to be pretty well known? I think Animaniacs was already off the air by 2001 though. According to the comments dude's in jail for child porn now.
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Jul 8, 2015 13:20
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BiggerJ posted:Is it true that animation companies tend to (or used to) blacklist furries? If that was ever true, I can tell you it isn't anymore. I follow several people on Twitter who fit into both categories.
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Camrath posted:Furry art is a media; it's ultimately what the fandom is based around, for better or for worse. Really, the two fandoms are pretty similar from all that I've seen- it's just that one is larger than the other. lmao Citrus Sky posted:How common is it for furries to take on the dietary preferences of their fursonas? For example, a rabbit who becomes vegetarian, or a lion who refuses to eat anything but rare steak. This was a thing for a while in the late-90s mid-00s called 'lifestyling' that also sometimes included ditching shoes forever and living in the woods. TunaSpleen posted:"More prosaically, SciBat – who's real name is Gavin, a computer programmer from Hither Green – has thinning hair tied into a ponytail and wears an ill-fitting shirt covered in psychedelic patterns." Close, really. People get together in a bowling alley/bar/someone's house, sometimes a bunch of those people disappear into the bathroom and come out in suits. They either take off the heads or they have a friend they stick close to who can translate for them, depending on how nuts they are bout their personal fursuit rules. It is often really awkward and tends to draw weird looks.
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I've been to a lot of cons; Gaming, Anime, Comic, Furry, Brony; mostly as a semi-outsider to the communities. Maybe I'll make a post later comparing them: gaming/comic cons are basically fine and have mostly normalish people, but the others are bad in unique ways.
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Lhet posted:I've been to a lot of cons; Gaming, Anime, Comic, Furry, Brony; mostly as a semi-outsider to the communities. Maybe I'll make a post later comparing them: gaming/comic cons are basically fine and have mostly normalish people, but the others are bad in unique ways. 
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I live in Seattle, and generally whenever a generally nerdy con is nearby I'll go if I'm not doing anything. The main gaming con (PAX) is just pretty cool in general. Tons of stuff to do during the con, sponsored parties afterwards to promote games (often with free drinks or even open bars). Generally you can talk to a random person and they'll be pretty cool and not creepy. Emerald City Comiccon is really big. Lots of (more or less) celebrities show up, lots of people go to get things autographed. There are lots of things to buy (often directly from the artist), there's professional-level cosplay, etc. A lot of people are there to make or spend money, and the wide range of interested catered to kinda makes it not really have a concrete identity. The anime con (Sakuracon) I've pretty much outgrown (in my late 20s). Lots of ~high school kids running around acting *random* and a very high percentage of people in costumes. Don't really care about the con itself, I spend some time hanging out with old friends, and the rest of the time playing games; Go, Mahjong, DS games (Pokemon/Monster Hunter), etc. Most of the awkward older people seem the type that were in anime club in HS or college and never really moved on. Those three cons I think I could have a good time at even if I didn't know anybody, even if it just meant playing DS with some random people all day. The other two cons...not so much. Rainfurrest, the local fur con, is pretty crazy. I was kinda into that stuff in high school, but never went to any meetups or anything, and then realized I didn't want anything to do with it. A few years ago I randomly decided to go for part of a day without a badge just to see what was up; it was certainly awkward but I ran into enough people I knew were not creepy that I went for a badge the year after. It's definitely not something you'd want to visit without knowing anybody. You can kinda divide the attendees into normalish people who just happen to be into this sort of thing and like to party, people who are into into weird/creepy things, and a few weird old guys who just kinda do their own thing. Daytime is almost like a normal convention, dance competitions and panels and such (though with the occasional wtf scenes: people walking around in diapers or leather dog masks and leashes or wearing almost nothing). Then night hits and tons of people are openly drinking, there's a vague smell of weed all over the place, and god knows what is happening in that hotel room. It's actually kinda fun if you have a few noncreepy friends to hang out with the whole time; just need to drink a lot and watch the scenes. The pony con (Everfree) is something. There are fewer creepier people/scenes than at the furcon, but also kinda fewer cool people to hang out with; just a lot of awkward people who will tell you all about their OC or fanfic if you give them the chance. The cool people are often the sort who just like recent Western animation in general (Gravity Falls, Adventure time, etc.). There were actually more of that sort during the first year, but those people are gone now because nobody wants to associate with bronies. I still managed to hang out with some friends, drink a fair bit, and have fun last time I went, but it wasn't terribly easy.
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Lhet posted:I live in Seattle, and generally whenever a generally nerdy con is nearby I'll go if I'm not doing anything. Since you mentioned it, every anime con I have been to has had a fetlife orgy event. I would imagine it's that way for every con period. It's kind of unsettling but at the same time I do posses a morbid degree of curiosity as well.
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jiffypop45 posted:Since you mentioned it, every anime con I have been to has had a fetlife orgy event. I would imagine it's that way for every con period. It's kind of unsettling but at the same time I do posses a morbid degree of curiosity as well. I haven't noticed anything, but that con is run more or less professionally and they care about public image so any stuff like that is happening behind the scenes. TBH my anime con experience the last couple years doesn't even really have interesting stories, I've just hung out with old friends and played games. I kinda have semi-alright anime con stories from like 10 years ago, but even those aren't that exciting. The most interesting thing that comes to mind was going to a con a state away with like a $30 budget, staying with a friend, and getting locked out of their house and sleeping in a car. Lhet fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Jul 9, 2015 01:50
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Camrath posted:For sure! Jesus Christ. You never considered telling this piece of poo poo that he'd better gently caress off or you'd find him and gut him like a fish? He terrorized you and your family and you just kinda rolled with it like good British folk?
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Jul 9, 2015 06:34
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Tony Montana posted:Jesus Christ. You never considered telling this piece of poo poo that he'd better gently caress off or you'd find him and gut him like a fish? Oh no, I did exactly that, as did various other family members. However it had a manifest lack of success until we got the cops involved.
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Jul 9, 2015 11:00
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Tony Montana posted:Jesus Christ. You never considered telling this piece of poo poo that he'd better gently caress off or you'd find him and gut him like a fish? Most people are extremely opposed to moving to "I'll loving gut you if this doesn't stop" because it immediately escalates the situation and when dealing with people willing to do that crazy poo poo at the mild level you never want to provoke them to go further. Bringing the cops into it is a mixed bag and at best will result in a arrest if said crazybag is spotted and caught, jack-poo poo if sneak in to do damage and flee, worse so considering how behind the police are in general to tech crimes.
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Gonna throw my hat into the ring, so long as it's cool with the OP! I suppose I'm the mythical "normal" furry. I am a married 30-year-old woman in Canada who is in decent physical shape, have a great full-time position at a Fortune 500 company. Most of my friends are NOT furries and it's certainly not my primary social outlet, but I do have some stories that will curl your hair. I also happen to own a fursuit and attend about one convention a year. I've also done freelance art commissions for several years up until very recently. I used to be a lot more active in the community but in recent years my interest has waned quite a bit. So. If you have any questions for a semi-normal woman who is still involved with the fandom, have at it!
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SamLikesCake posted:I do have some stories that will curl your hair. In a more serious question, how many people would you say are like you? Average person, maybe owns a suit, that kind of thing? At least compared to those that are more 'serious' about it.
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Serperoth posted:
I'm on my phone right now, but I'll type up a decent post with lots of horror once I'm home at my PC. There are definitely more "casual" furries nowadays than say, ten years ago. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the kids who dove into the fandom in the late 90's and early 00's have grown up and are off in the world doing adult things. I don't think it's possible to go to 6 cons a year and hold down a full-time job. Maybe it is, but I haven't seen it and I have no interest in trying for myself. Most of my fandom friends are like me... full-time jobs, long-term relationships, one or two events a year. We generally meet up at the annual convention in Toronto and all room together. It's a chance to see friends from far away, drink a lot and party. And for every normal, healthy person in the fandom there's a teeming horde of mouth-breathing, touchy-feely BO factories.
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SamLikesCake posted:And for every normal, healthy person in the fandom there's a teeming horde of mouth-breathing, touchy-feely BO factories. Please give your best guess at the ration of men:women, and BO Factories:Normals. Serious question. My guesses: 6:1 , 8:1
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Worse fandom: bronies or furries? I'd go with furries as the worse one but you'd probably know better, since I don't hang around either group of people.
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Y-Hat posted:Worse fandom: bronies or furries? I'd go with furries as the worse one but you'd probably know better, since I don't hang around either group of people. How is this even a question? Furries are weirdos who wear fursuits; bronies are people with no social skills who literally define themselves around their ability to imbue every aspect of their life with a product for literal children. Also the brony porn is way more disgusting because it is inherently paedophilic
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After attending an anime convention last weekend I made the mistake of accepting any and all friend requests that came my way, thinking "everyone was super friendly, what can go wrong?" Cue the brony who friended me because I uploaded some pics of MLP cosplayers in my album and decided to spend the next hour badgering me about my opinion of his fanart shipping his two favorite characters. Then when I mentioned I saw a little girl dressed as one of the main character ponies (it was obviously a pre-made Halloween costume) he went on a rant about how she did it wrong and she should have gone as one of the little kid characters because she was too young to have wings or something idiotic like that. You know how Facebook's sidebar shows recent activity of your friends? This guy spent the rest of the day threatening to boycott the show if the writers ruined his headcanon cartoon romance. Holy poo poo, I'll take the furries instead.
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Of course Bronies are worse than Furries. It's like a laser-focused subset of furries. If Furries are Christianity, Bronies are Westboro Baptist.
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You mentioned J makes/made commissions--how much money is floating around in furry land? Whats the numbers on furries who make furry art, verses non-furries using them for a financial source? Are there furries who kickstart or crowd fund their stuff? I'm sure as a former admin you have lots of stories about the amount of money actually needed to fund a convention.
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SamLikesCake posted:Gonna throw my hat into the ring, so long as it's cool with the OP! Show us the suit.
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Jul 10, 2015 04:58
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Camrath posted:I know who they're talking about. It's an accurate description. Minerva Mink - Animaniacs Wiki Appearance. Minerva is an attractive, beautiful and sexy anthromorphic mink
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ashgromnies posted:Minerva Mink - Animaniacs Wiki I bet there were edit wars for weeks over which adjective should come first in that list.
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quote:Please give your best guess at the ration of men:women, and BO Factories:Normals. Serious question. 3:1 for males to females... I'm kind of pulling that out of my rear end, though. There are more women in the fandom than there used to be. The BO-to-normal ratio is a bit harder to tack down. At the top of a convention weekend it's probably 1:20 for stinky-to-clean. At the end of the con it's way, WAY higher. The same old story as anime cons, really. Some people think that they just don't need to shower every day. Or even every weekend. Put it this way... it's bad enough that SOAP is now something that you will find in every dealer's den. I poo poo you not. I mean, some of the soap is really awesome, but it says something about the clientèle. quote:Show us the suit.  For me fursuiting is definitely about escapism. I am generally a very shy person who hates being put on the spot or being even close to the center of attention, but the suit helps me open up a bit more. I've always loved making people laugh and this is an opportunity to do that. Since I've gotten the stupid thing I've actually become a lot more confident day-to-day. I'm no longer loving devastated when I screw up in front of other people, as I've learned to just kind of roll with it and laugh at myself. quote:Bronies versus Furries I'm not a brony, nor have I been to a brony con, so take this with a grain of salt I guess. There's a lot of crossover between the two groups. Most fur cons have a MLP panel of some kind, and you will occasionally see some pretty impressive (and some not-so-impressive) MLP costumes that are built by folks who primarily build fursuits. One thing I've seen a lot of is furry hate FROM bronies, which is HILARIOUS. You can't hold yourself to some high moral standard and say that furries are the scum of the earth, then immediately turn around and defend MLP porn. I always felt that bronies take themselves waaaaay too seriously. Most of the bad stories about the furry fandom come from furries who have experienced the weirdness themselves. Dude, we KNOW we're weird and we are gonna laugh at it. Bronies have this really defensive streak. Not to say that some furries aren't crazy defensive about it, but it seems to be a really common trait among the bronies I've met. Had a crazy migraine when I got home from work last night and didn't get a chance to write up any crazy stories, but I promise I'll post something tonight! I have to dig through a drawer to find a ridiculous pamphlet someone gave me at a con. I need to scan that poo poo and share it with the world.
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Eh, not necessarily - Her episodes look like they might have yielded more than a few complaints, especially "Moon Over Minerva": http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15vssm_minerva-mink-episodes-1-2_shortfilms
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Cockmaster posted:Eh, not necessarily - Her episodes look like they might have yielded more than a few complaints, especially "Moon Over Minerva": Wow, Minerva is a bitch.
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I unfortunately don't have any crazy stories, what few cons I went to I tended to just hang out with people I knew and they tended to be relatively grounded folks with a love of booze. I can tell you that it's a common thing to run into an entire floor of the hotel that smells like poo poo due to the particular strain of furries that love to go in groups. I can also tell you that they started adding, in addition to soap in the dealer's den, pleas to people to shower during the opening and closing ceremonies of the con, as well as most panels. I can ALSO tell you that there will always be someone's old DDR setup in whatever sweaty room they've dedicated to video games, and on the opposite side of the room will always be Smash Bros. And it will always be the louder of the two. Furries love them some Smash Bros. 
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Camrath posted:Having become completely disgusted with the way cons are run in the UK and Europe (I have/had personal beef with the organisers of Confuzzled and in particular the Nazi Horsefucker head of security for them and EF) I've not really been aware of this trend. To be honest, the last con I enjoyed without reservation was EF2011, for a whole list of reasons. CF2012 was dreadful but for RL related reasons and CF2013 I spent in an almost constant state of anxiety due to being harassed and stalked everywhere I went by the Nazi Horsefucker and his goons. However, that aside the part of cons I enjoyed most was basically getting shitfaced, people-watching and attending the raves. I went to MFF '07, but to be honest really wasn't impressed- though I mostly went there to meet with someone I had a crush on at the time. Ah, internet relationships.. How did we gloss over this and let Obdicut and the rest of the D&Dtards talk about the ~proper~ way to discuss the anthropomorphizisastization of animals? Did I miss the telling of this story or something?
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