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Amethyst posted:What does the fact that Brianna Wu was born with the shiniest silver spoon in her mouth ever have to do with anything? Brianna Wu, who spends all day every day on twitter lecturing people about their privilege? Even assuming this is true, this actually isn't hypocrisy, and the fact that you think it is implies you don't understand what people lecturing you about privilege means.
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Dominic White posted:Broadly well reviewed, according to Metacritic, I gather it sold decently, there's a PC port coming... But if someone took a poo poo on your chest you'd give it a 9/10 so that means little coming from you
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Neurolimal posted:Not sure why you're trying to drag whatever grudge you have against me into this thread, just pointing out that going "nuh-uh" when someone asks you to back up your assertions doesn't do much to make you or gamergate look good. I don't have a grudge. You spiced up those first few threads. Also cheesy anime pizza.
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Jul 10, 2015 03:12
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Dominic White posted:Broadly well reviewed, according to Metacritic, I gather it sold decently, there's a PC port coming... Revolution 60 is not a good game. This is an objective fact, and is plainly obvious if you watch 10 seconds of video footage of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2sGM9DwyZw Get this: those obviously wrong metacritic review scores are the kind of thing that get the gamergate morons frothing at the mouth angry!
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Amethyst posted:Get this: those obviously wrong metacritic review scores are the kind of thing that get the gamergate morons frothing at the mouth angry! Aaah, people liked a game that you don't like, which is clearly unethical because people aren't allowed to have other opinions! Glad we're getting to the heart of the matter. 'Objectively bad' and 'Objectively wrong' are complete bullshit non-terms in the context of inherently subjective opinions on media. Please stop using them.
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It's interesting to think back to how this (particular) thread started- with a guy claiming that the women of Street Fighter aren't sexy. And now it's ended up with arguments about twitter screenshots. And the only thing in between that has been shown to be correct is the irrelevant reminder that people who wear fruit hats in public don't make good decisions. But what's interesting in here (apart from the things I can't say anymore  ) is that you have all these people insisting that they can't control the conversation, that controlling conversation is actually evil. People have compared this nonsense to Occupy, but funnily enough, Occupy went to great lengths to shut down white supremacists, conspiracy theorists, etc. and keep them out of the internal conversations and thus decision-making. Externally, of course, the media zoomed in on them and on the homeless people directed towards Occupy by the police, but internally a number of safeties were in place to keep crazy and malevolent people from hijacking things. If people really were concerned with harassment by the thing-they-are-definitely-not-associated-with-or-a-follower-of-but-agree-completely-with-in-practice, they would do well to learn from that example. But Occupy was put together by anarchists, who don't really put stock in "human nature", while GG seems to be a libertarian venture, focused on a belief in "human nature".
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Dominic White posted:Broadly well reviewed, according to Metacritic, I gather it sold decently, there's a PC port coming... That was the second post I've ever made in this thread so I'm hardly shifting any goalposts. I haven't harassed anyone on twitter and haven't leveled any slurs at any of these women. Brianna Wu being a giant hypocrite is funny. You should laugh at her.
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Jul 10, 2015 03:15
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Amethyst posted:Revolution 60 is not a good game. This is an objective fact, and is plainly obvious if you watch 10 seconds of video footage of it. You'd probably think they'd get more results attacking those obviously wrong review givers than the people making the games, assuming you weren't a complete idiot, that is.
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Jul 10, 2015 03:17
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Ddraig posted:You'd probably think they'd get more results attacking those obviously wrong review givers than the people making the games, assuming you weren't a complete idiot, that is. Hrrm.. Attack reviewers you disagree with (clearly unethical), or an all-female mobile development team (SUPER UNETHICAL). The Gamergate Dilemma.
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Jul 10, 2015 03:19
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Ddraig posted:You'd probably think they'd get more results attacking those obviously wrong review givers than the people making the games, assuming you weren't a complete idiot, that is. It's hard when the game maker in question says things like she is one of the leading unreal engine devs. How can you resist that?
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Denim Dude posted:It's hard when the game maker in question says things says she is one of the leading unreal engine devs. How can you resist that? By being an adult rather than a child, and having willpower.
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Jul 10, 2015 03:22
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Dominic White posted:Aaah, people liked a game that you don't like, which is clearly unethical because people aren't allowed to have other opinions! Glad we're getting to the heart of the matter. Wow, this is some insightful post modern perspective, and definitely not an intellectually lazy everything is relative man bullshit deployed to defend a game that looks like this:  out of a misguided sense of political obligation
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Jul 10, 2015 03:22
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Denim Dude posted:It's hard when the game maker in question says things like she is one of the leading unreal engine devs. How can you resist that? I know. I just can't help myself. if I see someone I disagree with, I get everyone I know to band together to make their life miserable for months too! It's just the natural, instinctive thing to do if you're apparently a pack of screeching hyena-mutant CHUDs.
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Jul 10, 2015 03:23
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Dominic White posted:Hrrm.. Attack reviewers you disagree with (clearly unethical), or an all-female mobile development team (SUPER UNETHICAL). The Gamergate Dilemma. i'm not "attacking" her, you idiot, I'm criticizing her lovely game
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Jul 10, 2015 03:23
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Denim Dude posted:It's hard when the game maker in question says things like she is one of the leading unreal engine devs. How can you resist that? So is it about ethics in games journalism or ethics in developer's sense of self importance? Because if it's the latter why has Peter Molyneux resisted their wrath? There's a missing connection, I'm sure of it. What could it be?
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Jul 10, 2015 03:24
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Amethyst posted:Wow, this is some insightful post modern perspective, and definitely not an intellectually lazy everything is relative man bullshit deployed to defend a game that looks like this: It can't be as lovely as this piece of crap turd:  Can you imagine how politically motivated you'd have to be to like something as ugly as that game?
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Jul 10, 2015 03:24
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Denim Dude posted:First part, I assume Twitter post times are sync'd to your local time. Notice how they both end in :14. So someone was in a different timezone? I don't use twitter either. How is it 'doxxing' to do that, but not to talk about Wu's parents giving her money? I don't get this reticence. The twitter explanation seems likely, and that Wu may have gotten money from her parents, the lucky duck. This obviously proves that something something. Anyway, cool that you admitted that you were wrong. Any chance you're wrong about McIntosh too? Also--why is it important? And the other dude, who claimed Sarkeesian is also from big money--can you back that one up? Also--why is it important? Amethyst posted:What does the fact that Brianna Wu was born with the shiniest silver spoon in her mouth ever have to do with anything? Brianna Wu, who spends all day every day on twitter lecturing people about their privilege? Even assuming that your characterization of her tweeting was correct, you do know that someone can be rich and still experience stuff like sexism, transphobia, etc., right? Being rich doesn't insulate you from that.
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How anyone could defend that visual abortion is loving beyond me, but hey, go ahead.
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Jul 10, 2015 03:25
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Amethyst posted:Wow, this is some insightful post modern perspective, and definitely not an intellectually lazy everything is relative man bullshit deployed to defend a game that looks like this: Dapper Dan posted:How anyone could defend that visual abortion is loving beyond me, but hey, go ahead. What do you think of Dwarf Fortress's graphics? 
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Jul 10, 2015 03:26
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People have to defend it for ideological reasons.
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Jul 10, 2015 03:27
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Effectronica posted:By being an adult rather than a child, and having willpower. I don't know. even adults can still laugh at funny things. Gamergate has been consistently funnier than most of the shows on television. Do you call people who laugh at TV shows children too?
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Jul 10, 2015 03:27
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Obdicut posted:What do you think of Dwarf Fortress's graphics? They're fine, because they're trying to be a rouge-like and made by one guy with OCD. That's made by an entire female game development studio over nearly half a decade.
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Dapper Dan posted:How anyone could defend that visual abortion is loving beyond me, but hey, go ahead. Looks pretty awkward to me (needs some shadows, stat!), but for an iOS game meant to run on older-gen hardware? Makes sense. Never played it. Don't have any iOS devices, so can't. Don't particularly want to, but it seems relatively well regarded as a game, so...? I'm apparently the worst? Apparently anyone that gave it a positive review is Objectively Wrong and also The Worst too. I wonder what other games are Objectively Bad? Anyone got a list?
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Effectronica posted:It can't be as lovely as this piece of crap turd: Not only is there a thirty year technological gap between these two games, they have completely different goals. The aim of that strategy game is to represent an abstract structure as clearly as possible, and it achieves that goal. Rev60 is aiming to stage drama in an effective, cinematic fashion, and it fails.
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Wu's game is unsightly, but at least it's ugly in a early 2000s sort of way.
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Obdicut posted:How is it 'doxxing' to do that, but not to talk about Wu's parents giving her money? I don't get this reticence. Brianna Wu tweeted what she tweeted. Johnathan McIntosh never said hey guys my dads name is ______ _____!
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Denim Dude posted:I don't know. even adults can still laugh at funny things. Gamergate has been consistently funnier than most of the shows on television. Do you call people who laugh at TV shows children too? Excuse me, I thought you were responding to a comment someone else made, instead of free-associating wildly.
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Amethyst posted:Not only is there a thirty year technological gap between these two games, they have completely different goals. The aim of that strategy game is to represent an abstract structure as clearly as possible, and it achieves that goal. This is blatant politics, and ideological besides. Seriously, you, and the rest of the people whining about the graphics, are third-rate gamers and you should not be allowed to talk about gaming anymore.
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Dominic White posted:Looks pretty awkward to me (needs some shadows, stat!), but for an iOS game meant to run on older-gen hardware? Makes sense. We're going to play a game. What year did this iOS game come out?  The answer? 2010. It was the first unreal engine 3 iOS game. They're made in the same engine. Mutation posted:Wu's game is unsightly, but at least it's ugly in a early 2000s sort of way. Nobody tries to ape early 3d because it was rear end ugly. That's why nobody goes from pixel art to PS1. Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Dapper Dan posted:We're going to play a game. What year did this iOS game come out? Always wanted to play that. Unfortunately it runs at about 5fps on my 3GS, which is the one and only Apple device I've ever owned, rendering it effectively unplayable.
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Effectronica posted:This is blatant politics, and ideological besides. Oh no!!!! Not p-p-p-politics!!!! quote:Seriously, you, and the rest of the people whining about the graphics, are third-rate gamers and you should not be allowed to talk about gaming anymore. ahahahahah you just tried to leverage gamer cred, to defend a game that is nothing but a series of unfailable quick time events.
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Effectronica posted:It can't be as lovely as this piece of crap turd: That looks like it could be an older game so maybe the graphics are actually pretty decent compared to the other games for the same platform, of that time.
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Amethyst posted:Oh no!!!! Not p-p-p-politics!!!! So did you just puke onto the keyboard and not read what you wrote earlier or what? quote:ahahahahah you just tried to leverage gamer cred, to defend a game that is nothing but a series of unfailable quick time events. Funny how instead of talking about the poor gameplay, you talk about how it looks. You're shallow, the Artist Formerly Known As Blue Stymie, very shallow.
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Effectronica posted:This is blatant politics, and ideological besides. They're allowed to criticize a game
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Effectronica posted:So did you just puke onto the keyboard and not read what you wrote earlier or what? I talked about both. You literally just quoted a post where I talked about the gameplay, you stupendous idiot.
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Dapper Dan posted:They're fine, because they're trying to be a rouge-like and made by one guy with OCD. That's made by an entire female game development studio over nearly half a decade. Oh, okay, I thought you were saying the graphics were bad by calling it a 'visual abortion'. Amethyst posted:Because identity politics has been hijacked by reactionary capitalists as a huge distraction and it's working. Brianna Wu Is a synechdoche of the whole phenomenon. Look up her posts about how loving awesome capitalism is I'm sorry, this conspiracy theory is too weird for me. Denim Dude posted:Brianna Wu tweeted what she tweeted. Johnathan McIntosh never said hey guys my dads name is ______ _____! Okay. Given that you claimed he'd said that his dad had a private island when he didn't and this was verifiable in like 5 seconds, I don't actually trust your information about his dad. I also am confused as to why any of this is relevant. Obdicut fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Effectronica posted:Excuse me, I thought you were responding to a comment someone else made, instead of free-associating wildly. Yeah but Brianna Wu saying she is a leading unreal developer is funny. I like to laugh at the funny things.
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