And so, Harry Potter learned the same lesson Master did after Blaster's death.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 07:54 |
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# ? May 3, 2024 21:54 |
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JosephWongKS posted:I don’t believe that Eliezer will actually let his author avatar get hurt for even the briefest moment, but I’m willing to give him props if he does. Worse, he'll do it, but in a way that will have you rescind your props, and then give negative props.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 00:04 |
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Chapter 13: Asking the Wrong Questions Part 8 quote:
No atheists in a foxhole, and no “All parents were like that, no adult would lower themselves far enough to place themselves on level ground with a child and listen” or "I conclude you're another crazy adult I can't talk to” in a “Bigger kid is about to break my finger” hole. quote:
Note that Eliezarry didn’t say that “I wouldn’t have tried to kill you”. At least he’s honest about his sociopathy. quote:
Glad to see another reasonable authority figure in the story.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 08:07 |
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Yeah I see what Yud did here. Rowling actually mentioned that she used Avada Kadabra because it means "I strike down that which is before me". It was apparently an incantation some ancient doctors used in one place when they were treating disease, this was supposed to destroy the ill plaguing the patient. Not a lotta rationality so far.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 15:43 |
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This chapter doesn't seem to have anything to do any "Methods of Rationality". The first chapters read a bit like an episode of the magic school bus about social science, but this weird game and the bullying thing have nothing to do with or even any of the Less Wrongisms I'm aware of.
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# ? Jul 9, 2015 18:28 |
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Monocled Falcon posted:This chapter doesn't seem to have anything to do any "Methods of Rationality". The first chapters read a bit like an episode of the magic school bus about social science, but this weird game and the bullying thing have nothing to do with or even any of the Less Wrongisms I'm aware of. ... Mind, the bullying thing goes off into some goddamned stupid directions later on. But still.
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# ? Jul 9, 2015 18:40 |
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This is where the story starts veering into the whole "Ender's Game" alt-plot, yeah. It's been mentioned before that the story doesn't seem to know what it wants to be... which isn't to say everything about it is bad, it's just spotty as gently caress and marred by weird nonsense at every turn. Actually I prefer this particular plot to some of the rest, perhaps since it most closely resembles an actual story with character development (though it's hard to see at this point).
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# ? Jul 9, 2015 18:54 |
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Xander77 posted:Don't be willfully dense - dealing with bullies is a standard part of the bildungsroman / Ender's game formula. A story which consisted of nothing but "Less Wrongisms" and lectures about them, omitting an actual plot, would be even more insufferable than what we got. I think you misunderstand me. Why does the story suddenly turn into Ender's Game? Wasn't following the plot of the first book, but stopping every chance to smugly lecture the audience the point?
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 00:35 |
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Monocled Falcon posted:I think you misunderstand me. Why does the story suddenly turn into Ender's Game? Wasn't following the plot of the first book, but stopping every chance to smugly lecture the audience the point? Yud doesn't know the plot, he's never read the books.
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 03:26 |
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Chapter 13: Asking the Wrong Questions Part 9 quote:
The “boy” is a first year student, in his second day of school. When and where did he learn the Killing Curse? Did his parents teach him? If so, those are some mighty irresponsible parents. Does the wizarding world have Child Protection Services? quote:
Character development! Could this be the start of Eliezarry’s road to being a decent and likable person?
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 03:44 |
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JosephWongKS posted:
Ahahaha
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 04:20 |
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Piell posted:Yud doesn't know the plot, he's never read the books. Is this actually true? Several paragraphs in the next couple chapters were copy-pasted pretty much verbatim out of the first book. Did he just read the wiki to get the general plot/character names, and then flip to random pages to copy material or what?
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 08:42 |
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Monocled Falcon posted:This chapter doesn't seem to have anything to do any "Methods of Rationality". The first chapters read a bit like an episode of the magic school bus about social science, but this weird game and the bullying thing have nothing to do with or even any of the Less Wrongisms I'm aware of. If the stupid bullshit game goes where I'm expecting it to go, then it actually does tie into the stupid bullshit Timeless Decision Theory, about how entities who can perfectly predict each other's actions can negotiate between past and future, which ties heavily into the stupid bullshit Roko's Basilisk thing.
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 02:31 |
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The worst thing is all the bullshit informed attributes that anyone who meets Harry will now get into peculiar situations but dealing with lovely bratty kids isn't peculiar at all.
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 03:16 |
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I'll say this once, just so this circlejerk can hate me for it: I liked this fanfic.
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 04:20 |
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Siegkrow posted:I'll say this once, just so this circlejerk can hate me for it: What parts of it, and why? This isn't GBS, nobody will tell you you're a horrible person or whatever.
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 04:24 |
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Hell, before I learned about Yudkowsky I thought it was OK too, and didn't understand the hate for it. SA remedied that.
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 22:19 |
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Yeah, I liked it too. I thought it was a fun ride and it had some neat ideas. Once I realized how much of it was a metaphor the story was for Yud's own belief's, I started to see through the cracks.
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# ? Jul 12, 2015 00:59 |
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I dunno, I've learned to make a clear difference between a person and his work. What I mean is, for example, I can enjoy Hitler's paintings while still hating his guts.
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# ? Jul 12, 2015 05:13 |
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If Hitler provided the art for his political propaganda, it would be harder to appreciate the work than it was before you knew it was propaganda at all though.
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# ? Jul 12, 2015 05:40 |
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Siegkrow posted:I can enjoy Hitler's paintings Bad news:
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# ? Jul 12, 2015 06:03 |
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Hitler's paintings weren't any good though so you still shouldn't profess to enjoy them.
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# ? Jul 12, 2015 14:07 |
The Time Dissolver posted:Hitler's paintings weren't any good though so you still shouldn't profess to enjoy them.
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# ? Jul 12, 2015 21:08 |
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The Nazis would have won!
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 02:50 |
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Murphy Brownback posted:Is this actually true? Several paragraphs in the next couple chapters were copy-pasted pretty much verbatim out of the first book. Did he just read the wiki to get the general plot/character names, and then flip to random pages to copy material or what? Big Yud posted:[I r]ead the first 3 books, watched the next 5 movies, checked the wiki often, and most importantly, read at least a hundred other Harry Potter fanfictions. I know off the top of my head who Fleur Delacour's little sister is, in fact I've read a whole book about her bonding to Harry Potter's ghost after he dies in the Second Task of the Triwizard tournament.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 03:05 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:
Fanfiction of fanfiction. i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Jul 13, 2015 |
# ? Jul 13, 2015 05:52 |
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i81icu812 posted:Fanfiction of fanfiction. Autistic turtles all the way down.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 05:54 |
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Chapter 13: Asking the Wrong Questions Part 10 quote:
Has Eliezarry already forgotten that barely a few minutes ago, “Slowly, the Slytherin started to bend his index finger backwards”? Dude seemed totally prepared to go ahead and break Eliezarry’s finger in front of all those nice witnesses. quote:
Neville may be the best character in the series so far. I hope he continues to stand up to Eliezarry after this. quote:
That’s not how the Dark Side worked in the Star Wars movies, if I recall correctly. You don’t have to cut yourself off completely from negative emotions to avoid falling to the Dark Side. You are allowed to feel negative emotions so long as you do it in moderation and not give in to the baser impulses of fear / anger / hate / etc. quote:
My guess is that Eliezarry has a piece of Voldemort’s soul in him (consistent with canon) and Voldemort’s soul is responsible for his sudden bursts of wrath (departure from canon), and that Eliezarry will progressively become more and more of a Death Eater as time goes on and Voldemort’s soul gains more and more control of Eliezarry. This will be the “big plot twist” of the story.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 10:02 |
While he's executing it poorly I will give some credit to the idea of a well-read, bright child encountering various Life Lesson Moments and finding out that the solutions may work, but have to be earned, not just willed. You could probably do something with that. It's a sort of double twist.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 10:18 |
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JosephWongKS posted:My guess is that Eliezarry has a piece of Voldemort’s soul in him (consistent with canon) and Voldemort’s soul is responsible for his sudden bursts of wrath (departure from canon), and that Eliezarry will progressively become more and more of a Death Eater as time goes on and Voldemort’s soul gains more and more control of Eliezarry. This will be the “big plot twist” of the story. There's about ten thousand Dark!Harry fanfics that do it better, too. Quite a number of the ones I've read use that method.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 10:23 |
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A big problem with what's going on here is the inconsistency in whether we're supposed to interpret Harry as an oddly-raised child who has trouble fitting in, with preconceptions of how he's supposed to act that get dismantled as he makes mistakes and tries to make up for them, or as a scientific wunderkind whose every word is undeniable truth and will lecture both other characters and the reader at every opportunity. In this scene, it's clear the intent is to portray Harry's previous behavior as incorrect and try to give him some growth, but it's not handled very well. Still, it's not a bad scene in principle, if you ignore all the cryptic note nonsense.
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 13:10 |
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The Force and the Jedi philosophy vary depending on the source. The movies, particularly the prequels, are the most restrictive. You can't feel any emotion, not fear, not love for family, nothing. Once you're a Jedi you have no will of your own, you do whatever the force tells you to do. It's very puritanical, in its own way.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 02:34 |
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"Harry Potter Becomes A Communist" posted:"There are two kinds of people in this world, Mr. Potter," said Quirrell in a racist voice of colonialist imperialism. "There are the smart people who matter and the stupid people who shouldn't exist. The world rightfully belongs to the smart people who matter. It just so happens that most of these people who matter are white males, but that is in no way an indication of me being a white supremacist."
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# ? Jul 15, 2015 10:15 |
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Hahahah what the gently caress Is this some kind of parody of awful stereotypes or what?
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# ? Jul 15, 2015 17:33 |
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The Shortest Path posted:Hahahah what the gently caress It's called Harry Potter Becomes a Communist, and upon following the link, apparently Commie Potter is a fan of Robert Mugabe. I honestly don't know whether it's making fun of communists, or trying to promote communism, or if it's just the insane fever dream of a babbling retard, and I really don't want to read enough to find out.
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# ? Jul 15, 2015 18:44 |
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PT6A posted:It's called Harry Potter Becomes a Communist, and upon following the link, apparently Commie Potter is a fan of Robert Mugabe. It's a crackfic that's a gently caress-you to various HP fics and to anyone who knows too much about Western communism.
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# ? Jul 15, 2015 18:52 |
PT6A posted:It's called Harry Potter Becomes a Communist, and upon following the link, apparently Commie Potter is a fan of Robert Mugabe.
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# ? Jul 16, 2015 10:49 |
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anilEhilated posted:These two are literally the same thing.
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# ? Jul 16, 2015 15:22 |
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It's even better than that. Later in the thread he says Big Yud posted:That's already a sufficient answer, to some degree; but the main problem was that after Book 3 I read enough Harry Potter fanfiction that my brain started to think of the Potterverse as a grownup place and when I went back to Book 4, it felt too young.
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# ? Jul 19, 2015 03:56 |
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# ? May 3, 2024 21:54 |
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Reflections85 posted:the fanfiction he read was more "grownup" than the fourth book and, having read this wonderfully grownup fanfiction, he could no longer read the actual series. Oy vey. Fanfiction mirrors its writers, and Harry Potter caught a lot of fanfic writers in their "darker and edgier is better" phase all at once. What this means is that a 25-year-old man was highly impressed by the shallow, emo work of people ten years younger than him. (You can tack "Did I mention I'm a crackpot and immature man-child?" onto the end of every paragraph Yudhowsky writes and it'll always make sense.)
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# ? Jul 19, 2015 10:31 |