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Let's not jump to any conclusions here. This could be some other fire elemental, or a perfectly natural fire caused by that no good Donovan's pipe smoking father.
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Jul 8, 2015 18:39
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Maybe the flame elemental just has resting bitch face and is actually really happy
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Jul 8, 2015 18:40
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Luminous Obscurity posted:The moral of GC is that nerdy dudes are The Worst. This has been my real-life experience as well. Fecha posted:And nerdy ladies are terrifying machine gods. Same.
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Jul 8, 2015 20:54
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Nihilarian posted:his daughter is the elemental that killed his wife. I'm not saying I see it that way. Just that I could see tony seeing it that way.
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Jul 9, 2015 00:52
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Oh now this is an interesting parallel to draw. They both kinda are in similar situations.
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Jul 10, 2015 08:04
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I didn't immediately make the connection that it's a flashback, so I guess I'll mention it here because I won't be the only person who does so. The corners are what shows it.
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Jul 10, 2015 08:09
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Interesting parallel indeed. Of course, nobody but Us The Audience knows that Coyote is horrifyingly editing Ysengrin's memories.
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Jul 10, 2015 08:23
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Akett posted:I didn't immediately make the connection that it's a flashback, so I guess I'll mention it here because I won't be the only person who does so. The corners are what shows it. And the hair right? Right?
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Jul 10, 2015 08:52
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SynthOrange posted:And the hair right?  I've been scatterbraned tonight, don't mind me. Akett fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 09:16
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Ditocoaf posted:Interesting parallel indeed. Speaking of, I wonder if Zimmy's being chased around by a certain scar again right now?
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Jul 10, 2015 10:14
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Akett posted:
I admit that for a moment I did consider "hmm, I thought Stonefaced Annie wasn't allowed out to the forest." You can blame the fact that she's wearing gray-blue.
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Jul 10, 2015 10:26
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Coyote does not love you back. Coyote loves coyote, and that is all. He does not need or care about the love of anyone else.
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Jul 10, 2015 11:33
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Coyote does not love you back. Coyote loves coyote, and that is all. He does not need or care about the love of anyone else. I'd agree with that. He does what makes him happy and gives him joy.
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Jul 10, 2015 12:12
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Coyote does not love you back. Coyote loves coyote, and that is all. He does not need or care about the love of anyone else. BravestOfTheLamps posted:I'm really glad this was brought up, since I think it's the perfect parallel.  Now, if/when Annie unfucks her head eventually (however many chapters down the line that'll be) I wonder if any of this parallel will stick with her and affect her attitude towards Coyote. Also FieryAnnie should totally summon up her blinker stone, do the etheric projection thing in reverse (i.e. form a real body for an ethereal being) and just up and leave as Annie2. That might crack SpergAnnie's mask. 
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Jul 10, 2015 13:39
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Fried Chicken posted:There is no subtext here
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Jul 10, 2015 13:57
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I've been wondering how ysengrin was going to fit in with Annie (as the volume picture had her next to him). I like ysengrin but his relationship with coyote and himself is very sad. I do not want Annie to become sadder 
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Jul 10, 2015 14:44
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Fire Annie should escape, float over to the Forest, and catch Coyote red-handed in being an unforgivable dick to Ysengrin.
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Jul 10, 2015 15:14
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Ditocoaf posted:Interesting parallel indeed. Ysengrin is aware his memories are hosed up. I do wonder if he suspects Coyote having something to do with it.
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Jul 10, 2015 15:22
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Look we can't judge coyote yet, we don't know the full reasons for why he fucks with ysengrin's head, and can't prove that he had anything to do with ysengrin's trying to hurt Annie. Anyway, removing those memories clearly leaves him happier overall so really isn't it a good thing that coyote's doing th-
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Jul 10, 2015 16:20
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Coyote is as bad as Tony but he's a charisma supernova so it's much harder to see. It's a really great parallel as well as contrast.
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Jul 10, 2015 16:40
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I've seen Coyote as a villain for some time now, I suppose it makes sense that he has parallels with the story's other major villain.
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Jul 10, 2015 16:45
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EmmyOk posted:Coyote is as bad as Tony but he's a charisma supernova so it's much harder to see. It's a really great parallel as well as contrast. Except there's no good reason to think Coyote ultimately cares about anyone.
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Jul 10, 2015 16:51
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YF-23 posted:Except there's no good reason to think Coyote ultimately cares about anyone.
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Jul 10, 2015 16:54
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JT Jag posted:Coyote likely cares about the Forest as a whole, because he lives there. I don't know to be honest but I think it's an interesting question whether he does or not. I don't now that he'd put the well-being of the Forest above his own entertainment, after all he hasn't always lived there. Like Lurdiak said I've been wondering about Coyote as a villain for a while now, namely since the memory incident. In my mind it certainly makes the Court banning her from the Forest before T-money showed up much more understandable.
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EmmyOk posted:Like Lurdiak said I've been wondering about Coyote as a villain for a while now, namely since the memory incident. In my mind it certainly makes the Court banning her from the Forest before T-money showed up much more understandable. Moreover, while we do know that the court was all sore about something way back when they felt that putting a murderghost between the court and the forest was a good idea (and in general that the court has done some lovely things because of fear of the forest and/or what lurks within), we don't really have any knowledge of anything the forest has done to make people at the court all nervous. While a lot of stories would state that it is only mankind that distrusts, fears and harms, and that nature is naturally peaceful and pure, I don't see that as the sort of story Siddell would tell. We've seen lots of good and bad people (and their associated actions) on the court's side, but only recently have we begun to see that things probably aren't as 100% happy and magical in the forest as we first thought. Memory manipulation comes to mind, but there's a bunch of other little hints too. Really, I've been wondering about Coyote as a potential villain, as well as the forest in general for a long time, based only on the fact that I really don't think the author is the type to tell a "Side A is good, Side B is bad" type of story. He often shows that both sides are full of nice and awful people that just happen to fall into two distinct flavors.
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One Legged Cat posted:Moreover, while we do know that the court was all sore about something way back when they felt that putting a murderghost between the court and the forest was a good idea (and in general that the court has done some lovely things because of fear of the forest and/or what lurks within), we don't really have any knowledge of anything the forest has done to make people at the court all nervous. Well, 1) a god showed up a gouged a massive loving canyon right through everyone's poo poo, that is probably very surprising and shocking 2) one of the demi-gods that hangs around in there has right out said 'destroy all humans' 3) there's a bunch of crazy strong animals and spirits and poo poo in there that are at least hostile to humans in the same way a bear is. Like bears are cool and all but you don't want them loving in your backyard right? So yeah I guess if the choice is either bears or murder-ghost the murder-ghost you set up so it's stuck in a hole and not in your backyard.
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Mazerunner posted:Well, 1) a god showed up a gouged a massive loving canyon right through everyone's poo poo, that is probably very surprising and shocking Yeah, exactly! It's easy to get angry at the dicks in the Court's history because we've seen the dickishness that the court has displayed, but I get the feeling that the forest also has a decent Naughty List that we simply aren't privy to just yet.
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Jul 10, 2015 22:00
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One of the earliest ideas of the comic was that the forest and court are foils to each other. They also both look down on the other. We, as the reader, are in the position of being able to judge them both. They are essentially the same. But different, of course.
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Jul 10, 2015 22:07
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I've always been very suspicious of the whole 'the court were aggressors against the forest' story that Coyote has pushed. Or even his take that before the divide things were that bad. I feel like that it might have just been that he wasn't happy with a situation everyone else was fine with, so he poked up a conflict.
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I don't know if this makes me dumb but I've always thought Coyote was a villain (though not "the" villain). He's charming and strange sure, but some of his myths (outside the comic) are downright mean. Admittedly he's cast as something different in this story but I don't think the author would have chosen such a chaotic symbol to base him on if he wanted a generally benign tricky figure (Anansi maybe?). It's possible I suppose since Re(y)nard differs considerably from his origins so far as well, especially since he doesn't seem to be trying anything on his arch enemy/uncle I(y)sengrim. Also nice touch I noticed when re-reading to make sure I didn't say anything embarrassing in this post: ever since the handover Renard has had Kat's mark on his head instead of Antimony's. I'm sure you guys noticed but I wasn't reading the thread back then. You'd think Anthony would notice that.
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Scaramouche posted:
It's not visible when he's inactive, and Anthony is unable to force him to "wake up", therefore he hasn't seen it yet.
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Scaramouche posted:Also nice touch I noticed when re-reading to make sure I didn't say anything embarrassing in this post: ever since the handover Renard has had Kat's mark on his head instead of Antimony's. I'm sure you guys noticed but I wasn't reading the thread back then. You'd think Anthony would notice that. The mark is something Renard chooses to show; it's not on him until he animates.
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Jul 10, 2015 22:17
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Giving Annie the tooth was also pretty sus. Why did he give it to her and why was he so empahtic that no one in the court could know she had it.
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EmmyOk posted:Giving Annie the tooth was also pretty sus. Why did he give it to her and why was he so empahtic that no one in the court could know she had it. For one thing? It has one of his eyes on it. 
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Jul 10, 2015 22:22
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Coyote did some things wrong.
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Jul 10, 2015 22:22
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Coyote was the dog that Steadman tripped over.
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EmmyOk posted:Giving Annie the tooth was also pretty sus. Why did he give it to her and why was he so empahtic that no one in the court could know she had it. No no, he wasn't. In fact many people in the court do know she has it. It's the forest he forbade her from telling about it. E: See here: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=824
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