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I can't believe the Republican primary is already delivering and it's still summer 2015. Even if they manage to whittle the field down the sound bites that come out of this debate and this debate alone are going to be depraved. ComradeCosmobot posted:Slate reports on how Fox News has added one small provision to their debate criteria designed to keep Trump out. Brilliant power play by the GOP. What are the odds on Donald Trump ACTUALLY filing?
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:no you cocksuckers dont do this to me First they cancel Firefly, now this!!
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Slate reports on how Fox News has added one small provision to their debate criteria designed to keep Trump out. That story points out that Jeb and Cruz have already filed for extensions to file their financial disclosures and Walker's 30 days to file doesn't expire before the first debate so none of theirs are due before the first debate. Is FOX going to force everyone to file the disclosure or be excluded? FOX and the GOP may have just poo poo their pants more than they know. radical meme fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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I see a lot of posters in this thread saying that Bernie Sanders doesn't have minority appeal, which is something that kind of baffles me. I mean we're talking about the candidate that got his start protesting segregated housing, one of the only two sitting congressmen who marched on DC with Martin Luther King, and who doesn't shut up about black unemployment. I think it's kind of Sanders' fault so far that this stuff isn't getting reported on, but will minorities really be so shy voting for the guy that Barack Obama campaigned for in 2006?
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Jul 10, 2015 11:37
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Also,Trump is now making fun of the paralyzed. Republicans, please nominate this guy.
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Jul 10, 2015 12:01
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Ted Cruz's new book is being kept off of the New York Times best sellers list because "the overwhelming preponderance of evidence was that sales were limited to strategic bulk purchases."
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Jul 10, 2015 12:04
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Nanomashoes posted:Also,Trump is now making fun of the paralyzed. Republicans, please nominate this guy. Since there's no way the universe is kind enough to give him the nomination, I wonder how he will finally flame out.
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Nanomashoes posted:Also,Trump is now making fun of the paralyzed. Republicans, please nominate this guy. quote:Not content with insulting a female reporter’s intelligence and professionalism, Donald "When did we beat Japan at anything?" Trump apparently mocked a conservative critic for being paralyzed. Trump extension continues to own 
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Full Battle Rattle posted:I can't believe the Republican primary is already delivering and it's still summer 2015. Even if they manage to whittle the field down the sound bites that come out of this debate and this debate alone are going to be depraved. This is pretty tame compared to 2011. At this point there had already been 2 debates and my liver was feeling it. I barely have a buzz so far this election cycle. gently caress you Prince Reibus. This poo poo only happens once every 4 years and now you wanna ruin my fun for such a base motive as, "we don't want our general candidate to dirty his suit jacket in the primary." I now understand how football fans feel when they talk about cutting regular season games to prevent traumatic brain injuries. I want my GOP bloodsport god dammit. edit: Here's a protip for Mr. Reibus if you're reading this: Your party sucks poo poo and preventing debates ain't gonna change that, bro. Sanders gonna stomp all you mother fuckers. Kill you're parents. Sanders/Booker 2016 ErIog fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 12:27
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Nanomashoes posted:I mean we're talking about the candidate that got his start protesting segregated housing, one of the only two sitting congressmen who marched on DC with Martin Luther King, and who doesn't shut up about black unemployment. I think it's kind of Sanders' fault so far that this stuff isn't getting reported on, but will minorities really be so shy voting for the guy that Barack Obama campaigned for in 2006?
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Jul 10, 2015 12:53
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Dolash posted:Edit: Trump winning a plurality and the convention handing the nomination to someone else would be the high watermark for American democracy. Today's electorate is so unfamiliar with conventions that serve a purpose beyond optics I can hardly imagine the mental gymnastics we'd see out of This Is Are Country if a brokered convention nominated Jeb!
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Jul 10, 2015 13:09
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 I don't know anything about YouGov and polls don't mean anything this early but... 
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For what it's worth (probably not much) Trump has said he's going to file his finances and won't need either of the 45 day extensions.gradenko_2000 posted:Sorry if this is a stupid question, but a lot of what I hear is that you absolutely must make it to the RNC/Fox debate. Is this an actual requirement/rule of the Republican convention as far as picking the nomination, or is it just assumed that you need this in order to be able to win the nomination, which is otherwise still going to go through the primary process? There's nothing in the RNC nomination rules about debates. Stereotype posted:You don't need to do anything to win the nomination. The RNC can basically pick whoever they want and are not required to have any democracy, but they obviously can not do that because Republicans would be enraged if their party didn't give them any say in who won (that's their job, against minorities). This isn't how the RNC nomination rules process works. The delegate selection criteria for the convention are locked in at the previous convention and can only be changed at the next convention. In 2012 the RNC adopted rules that all delegates, are bound to vote on the first ballot for their pledged candidate, which in the case of caucuses will be determined by the results of the precinct caucus vote. If more than 50% of the delegates are pledged to a candidate before the convention, that person is the nominee. There are a few unpledged delegates, like the state party chairs, and there can be credential fights and so on, but it's a fairly locked down process. The Democrats, on the other hand, being Democrats, let basically every Democratic national office holder and all the Governors and all the past DNC chairs and all the past Presidents attend the convention as unpledged delegates.
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Christie resurrects his "respect not love" message from the 2012 RNC for his first ad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKuidwMSgKI
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Martin O'Malley will crash your picnic and recite poetry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXeWl137Kos
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So WHEN Donald Trump doesnt get the nomination, how likely is it for him to run independent and just keep this chuckletrain running
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Bread Set Jettison posted:So WHEN Donald Trump doesnt get the nomination, how likely is it for him to run independent and just keep this chuckletrain running He's said he might do that if he doesn't like the nominee, imaging a Trump campaign past June 2016 is putting the cart waaaaaaaaaay before the horse.
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Joementum posted:Martin O'Malley will crash your picnic and recite poetry. O'Malley is doing a drat fine job getting the "Awkward" vote. 
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Joementum posted:He's said he might do that if he doesn't like the nominee, imaging a Trump campaign past June 2016 is putting the cart waaaaaaaaaay before the horse. I'm doing just fine watching the current Trump campaign Hell, we have a month to go before the first debate and if he keeps polling like this, no amount of Fox News trickery will keep him out of the first debate. Here's my question though: Does Trump even go to the debate? What if he decides "My IQ is higher than theirs, I'm so awesome I don't need to debate them"?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Slate reports on how Fox News has added one small provision to their debate criteria designed to keep Trump out. "Fox News is stressing that it hasn’t changed the criteria, and instead is simply clarifying them." Yeah uh-huh  Why does FoxNews always have to destroy my dreams? Sure, it'll boost his cred to be excluded in such a fashion, but we need him to attend at least one real debate. BanjoFish posted:I don't know anything about YouGov and polls don't mean anything this early but... Welcome to two pages ago.
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Alter Ego posted:I'm doing just fine watching the current Trump campaign No matter how huge his IQ, The Donald is physically incapable of turning down the amount of attention a national Debate would provide. Really though, the funniest thing right now is how the RNC attempts to get Trump to reign it in or find ways to shoulder him out are just making him stronger.
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Alter Ego posted:Here's my question though: Does Trump even go to the debate? What if he decides "My IQ is higher than theirs, I'm so awesome I don't need to debate them"? There's absolutely no way his ego lets him skip out.
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Is that the PPACA? Rand is trying so hard...
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Some quick advice, Huckabee: if you're going to steal an old LBJ ad you should probably take out the "Courtesy of the Democratic National Committee" text.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYD8MzHvig
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Joementum posted:Some quick advice, Huckabee: if you're going to steal an old LBJ ad you should probably take out the "Courtesy of the Democratic National Committee" text. But if you're going to use that text, I can't think of any better place for Huckabee to put it than over footage of a nuclear explosion and absolutely nothing else.
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If Trump doesn't file paperwork with the FEC, what's the worst that can happen? Does anybody believe the FEC will do its job and enforce the rules?
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Nanomashoes posted:I see a lot of posters in this thread saying that Bernie Sanders doesn't have minority appeal, which is something that kind of baffles me. I mean we're talking about the candidate that got his start protesting segregated housing, one of the only two sitting congressmen who marched on DC with Martin Luther King, and who doesn't shut up about black unemployment. I think it's kind of Sanders' fault so far that this stuff isn't getting reported on, but will minorities really be so shy voting for the guy that Barack Obama campaigned for in 2006? It's not that Sanders himself entirely lacks minority appeal; rather, it's that the polls show him lagging pretty far behind Clinton with minorities at the moment. He hasn't really been campaigning towards minorities yet, either, focusing most of his efforts on his preexisting base: white liberals in the north. That doesn't mean he can't win over the minority vote, just that he hasn't done so yet and hasn't really started trying.
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DOOP posted:If Trump doesn't file paperwork with the FEC, what's the worst that can happen? Does anybody believe the FEC will do its job and enforce the rules? Even if they don't, it gives a legit excuse for the RNC to toss him out. I think he'll do it. The crazy bastard will actually do it, though I suspect the disclosure he files is going to be full of so many insane claims and contradictions it'll be practically useless. He's polling in a position where he has an actual shot at the nomination (or at least can tell himself he does). His ego won't let him step out now.
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Tempest_56 posted:Even if they don't, it gives a legit excuse for the RNC to toss him out. Even then, as long as there are no (egregious) laws broken, no one who has decided to vote for Trump will care. They've already elevated him to Reagan status. Everyone who's not crazy already knows that Trump's got more financial skeletons in his closet than the entire GOP field combined, but the non-crazy people aren't going to vote for him.
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Joementum posted:For what it's worth (probably not much) Trump has said he's going to file his finances and won't need either of the 45 day extensions. Yeah, the 2016 RNC would be hilarious if they used the Democrats voting rules. Otoh, it could be even more fun if, somehow, Jeb! or Scott doesn't get 50%. Unrelated, but Re: Trump; he still hasn't filed his FEC disclosure forms, and I can't possibly see him being willing to disclose so much about his company. So this is all likely for not.
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Isn't there a rule where candidates cannot take part in non-RNC sponsored debates? Yes, Fox and CNN are getting around It by having "forums" but if Donald Trump gets dropped off of this one and tries to create his own, would any of the other candidates risk it? Also, no television station would pick up the debate so where would it even be shown. MSNBC? 
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Isn't there a rule where candidates cannot take part in non-RNC sponsored debates? Reince has said that no candidate who participates in a non-sanctioned debate should be invited to a sanctioned debate. It's unclear how or whether he can enforce this.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Yeah, the 2016 RNC would be hilarious if they used the Democrats voting rules. If Trump has actively planned this i'm pretty sure like others he'll release only I think the required 3 years of financial statements. Similar to what Romney did.
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Hollismason posted:If Trump has actively planned this i'm pretty sure like others he'll release only I think the required 3 years of financial statements. Similar to what Romney did. Donald? Planned. ahahahahaha But even three years would be more than he's ever publicly released about the inner-working of his "empire."
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:
A month ago I would have agreed with you, but at this point he's gone in balls deep. He's higher in the polls than anyone imagined, and he's already burned a ton of bridges in his business that it would feel like a waste for him to not play this thing out. He's long past the point where he can about face and say "sorry Mexican's, you guys are great, no hard feelings?" and expect to get back his tv show and Macy's and Univision deals, among others. I never thought I'd say this but I think the Trump campaign train is running at full steam and will continue to do so till at least Iowa. This may make me a terrible human being, but the same part of me that can't look away from a 10 car pile up on the highway, wants to vote for Trump in the primary to see how big a disaster his campaign in the general would be. And in the <1% chance he wins the nomination AND the presidency (let's say Hillary murders a puppy on live TV), we can at least expect a record number of congressional veto overrides to keep the federal government from completely imploding.
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Joementum posted:Reince has said that no candidate who participates in a non-sanctioned debate should be invited to a sanctioned debate. It's unclear how or whether he can enforce this. Trump is Kobayashi staging his own Hotdog Eating Competition in protest
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I'd honestly like to know more about his actual Campaign, specifically who is staffers are. How much money is he taking in etc.. http://www.p2016.org/trump/trumporg.html This is all I found on it, looks like he just released some stuff on his staff which was why I could find articles. Oh I didn't see this part Iowa quote:State Director Chuck Laudner Hollismason fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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