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Maybe I'm just paying attention more right now but there seem to be more bugs and issues this patch than usual. That's not unsurprising considering the big changes that happened, but in addition to all the bugs related to the new poo poo there's also poo poo like the Zed minion debacle or Master Yi's passive not refreshing Alpha Strike.
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Sexpansion posted:Runeglaive Eve is poo poo, you hit a super late power spike that's not even worth it. Warrior -> triforce -> tank is way, way better if you want to do damage with Eve and you get fed early. Have you even played it post-buff? The base stats and proc make Runeglaive comparable to Warrior and she gets so-so value from armor pen. And lol suggesting triforce as a reasonable damage item on a jungle budget, at least with Runeglaive you can sit on a Giant's belt and grab Rylai's if you pick up a string of kills and still be pretty tanky. Most recent builds on probuilds have moved over to Runeglaive into tank now, too. Firebert fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 17:45
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the closer i get to plat, the more every single person plays like they're bronze :I
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Lovechop posted:the closer i get to plat, the more every single person plays like they're bronze :I spoken like a true autistic weeaboo
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Firebert posted:Have you even played it post-buff? The base stats and proc make Runeglaive comparable to Warrior and she gets so-so value from armor pen. And lol suggesting triforce as a reasonable damage item on a jungle budget, at least with Runeglaive you can sit on a Giant's belt and grab Rylai's if you pick up a string of kills and still be pretty tanky. Most recent builds on probuilds have moved over to Runeglaive into tank now, too. It does seem pretty popular, I admit. I still don't like it, but I am trash so I am probably wrong 
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Jul 10, 2015 18:19
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How do you guys feel about Tahm top? I tried it one game and completely poo poo on a Riven, every time she tried to all in me I just ate her. It was fun. Any ideas for item builds?
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I think Tahm is better suited for solo laning despite it sounding counter-intuitive. I think it's too hard for him to proc his passive as a support when he has to trade almost every time he wants to land a hit, let alone three in a row.
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Jul 10, 2015 18:59
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Thumbtacks posted:How do you guys feel about Tahm top? I tried it one game and completely poo poo on a Riven, every time she tried to all in me I just ate her. It was fun. Wouldn't she just be able to steadily chisel away at your HP by just dropping all of her cooldowns once then backing off? Unless she's going in when you have multiple stacks ready or using her spells stupidly or otherwise playing badly.
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fnox posted:I think Tahm is better suited for solo laning despite it sounding counter-intuitive. I think it's too hard for him to proc his passive as a support when he has to trade almost every time he wants to land a hit, let alone three in a row. Passive lasts longer than Q cooldown, so if you're able to land it you only need to be close to eat em. I usually do a mix of Qs and autos and it fills up without putting me in too much danger. Tahm has one of the longest unconditional melee ranges you can get so it's not always as hard as it seems. Catgirl Al Capone fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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fnox posted:I think Tahm is better suited for solo laning despite it sounding counter-intuitive. I think it's too hard for him to proc his passive as a support when he has to trade almost every time he wants to land a hit, let alone three in a row. I agree that he's a better top laner, but I could see him as a niche pick as a support vs. certain champions like Vi, Syndra, Zed, Naut, etc. Being able to effortlessly peel hard engage on your adc is pretty valuable. His laning phase would be Bard/Alistar-level weak but he'd be pretty good at roaming with his jungler post-6.
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Granted, that RIven may have been terrible. ANy ideas for runes/masteries or summoner spells for him up top? I'm thinking probably 9/21 with flash/TP, but maybe flash/ignite if you're solo...
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Magres posted:Wouldn't she just be able to steadily chisel away at your HP by just dropping all of her cooldowns once then backing off? Unless she's going in when you have multiple stacks ready or using her spells stupidly or otherwise playing badly. Tahm has a pretty good amount of built-in sustain which just grows as the game goes on. Riven has gently caress all for sustain and Tahm also has %health damage. If she all-ins you it's balls easy to get three stacks, eat her, and spit her at your tower. Because of how Tahm's E works you effectively need to kill him twice. Riven relies heavily on all-inning people and deleting them while Tahm relies on being fat and refusing to die. Yeah she can chisel off your health but you can actually ruin hers if she tries to. Tahm has an absurd amount of sustain and loving earns "tank" as his primary role. He's kind of like a Shen top lane philosophy; you don't win lanes you win games. Once solo lane Tahm gets some tank items and some beef going he's going to become incredibly difficult to kill.
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oh, so thats how that items supposed to be effective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P2Xll1i4Ts
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Tahm has a pretty good amount of built-in sustain which just grows as the game goes on. Riven has gently caress all for sustain and Tahm also has %health damage. If she all-ins you it's balls easy to get three stacks, eat her, and spit her at your tower. Because of how Tahm's E works you effectively need to kill him twice. Riven relies heavily on all-inning people and deleting them while Tahm relies on being fat and refusing to die. His sustain is through Thick Skin, right?
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It seems like almost all new champions, unless they are ADCs, start out as laners then get nerfed over and over until they are junglers or supports.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:21
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Magres posted:His sustain is through Thick Skin, right? A lot of it yes. His inherent regen is good but Thick Skin gives him back more health than it might look like. Being able to regen back 20% of damage taken at one rank is actually pretty huge. With the shield that also almost doubles his effective hit points. Given that he scales off of health well on top of that grabbing tank items that ramp his regen up higher is a good idea on top of it. At max rank Thick Skin can regen back 44% of whatever damage he takes. That's a huge reduction in damage.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:26
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So are people maxing W or E last on him?
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Luna Was Here posted:oh, so thats how that items supposed to be effective wait wait What the hell is this
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^^^ Yeah what the hell did I just watch
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Jul 10, 2015 19:37
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It's an item from the upcoming game mode that lets you take on the appearance of another champion.
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ImpAtom posted:It's an item from the upcoming game mode that lets you take on the appearance of another champion. Imagine having Teemo's global taunt but on a Malphite or Wukong
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Jul 10, 2015 19:44
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Tahms fish armor is even more powerful against me because I literally cannot see the grey health bar.
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Lovechop posted:the closer i get to plat, the more every single person plays like they're bronze :I This is actually easily explained because you're getting better and recognizing more mistakes, so the skill levels appear to be decreasing when they are increasing. 
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ImpAtom posted:So are people maxing W or E last on him? Max Q last. W is insane damage and waveclear, E is amazing sustain. EDIT: Also, I just went 14/0/7 as jungle Kayle. This is fair and balanced.
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TastyLemonDrops posted:Max Q last. W is insane damage and waveclear, E is amazing sustain. I should have clarified, I meant support. It seems like not having W up since you're using it to harass there would hurt a lot.
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TastyLemonDrops posted:Max Q last. W is insane damage and waveclear, E is amazing sustain. post the link to your match history
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I went Q > W > E on Tahm solo top. The bite is a lot of minion damage for sure and the tongue hits pretty hard too. Felt okay with a point in E. I feel like either way once peoplw get comfortable seeing him they'll beat the poo poo out of him in a solo lane.
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Yeah you can probably do okay with him in a solo lane but the question is why. I don't feel like he offers anything post-laning that another top laner wouldn't do better. Jungle I could see a case for but from the couple games I've specced with him he seems to have a really hard time clearing even with fish armor. The dude practically begs to be run in bot lane where he can just sit around and make the lane gankproof no matter how pushed in you are.
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His ability to save his poorly positioned ADC was really annoying me because my only really good skill is punishing poor positioning.
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like, the problem I see with him botlane is that he serves mostly to deny an all in, but he can't all in himself. if like, a Thresh goes in on him he can absolutely turn that around, he has all the means to retaliate, but if Thresh doesn't do jackshit other than trade he'll have to go super aggro to get any hard CC down. Q also seems to be really telegraphed so it's a lot simpler to dodge than like a Braum Q despite being very similar abilities. IDK it may be just too early to judge and people seem to not get the Q-W interaction, or don't seem to notice how loving absurd the regurgitate damage is.
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I don't know, I thought Tahm teleporting to lane with another character to turn a 1v2 into a 3v2 was pretty good all in. Just because he doesn't have a ton of all in potential before 6 doesn't mean he's bad in bot lane. Seems like his W doesn't work right with Relic Shield though
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A Stupid Baby posted:Yeah you can probably do okay with him in a solo lane but the question is why. I don't feel like he offers anything post-laning that another top laner wouldn't do better. For jungle, take W first, and start krugs. Smite big krug, eat big krug, kill small krug. W is his damage mitigation skill in jungle, not E. And because it does a ridiculous amount of damage, you clear quickly too. I prefer devourer instead of cinderhulk, but you could make a case for either. His ult passive makes his autos hurt like a bitch, and an earlier passive proc to save Q for a stun is nice.
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Servaetes posted:I went Q > W > E on Tahm solo top. The bite is a lot of minion damage for sure and the tongue hits pretty hard too. Felt okay with a point in E. I feel like either way once peoplw get comfortable seeing him they'll beat the poo poo out of him in a solo lane. I think what you level first on Tahm is really situational. If it's a bad matchup and you need to not die then E. If you can play aggressive then Q. If you can manage to stack hard enough to eat somebody often then W.
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http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1882701640/39051084?tab=overview because sometimes screw this game. I think the Tahm was trolling, ate me at least 3 times to save the otherwise dead fizz.
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 Guess the hero, win a prize.
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Azzents posted:
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Azzents posted:
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Azzents posted:
Going to guess it's a fake ADC like Teemo or Kayle, or a real ADC. If it is a real ADC I am gonna say someone who should never need ER so I am gonna guess Vayne or Cait.
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rabidsquid posted:Going to guess it's a fake ADC like Teemo or Kayle, or a real ADC. If it is a real ADC I am gonna say someone who should never need ER so I am gonna guess Vayne or Cait.  You did it! You don't actually win anything though, sorry.
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