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I really like the fluff around the Skaven and I'm wondering...are any of the Thanquol books worth reading? Any Skaven books in general? So much goon praise for the Dan Abnett I might have to finally read some of these 40k books too...
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Gameko posted:I really like the fluff around the Skaven and I'm wondering...are any of the Thanquol books worth reading? Any Skaven books in general? The Thanquol trilogy by C.L Werner is pretty decent if you like Skaven (who doesn't). Also, book 2 of the Gotrek and Felix saga, Skavenslayer, the first appearance of Thanquol, is really good. Worth mentioning that Skavenslayer's events happens around twenty years earlier than the ones in the trilogy.
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Jul 11, 2015 01:25
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Sounds like if I go through Eisenhorn, then Gortek and Felix for a few book, than Thanquol, I'll have plenty of light reading for the summer through fall. Thanks bunches!
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Jul 11, 2015 02:50
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Gameko posted:I really like the fluff around the Skaven and I'm wondering...are any of the Thanquol books worth reading? Any Skaven books in general? Werner's Thanquol trilogy isn't all that well written, the plots are kind of threadbare and none of the secondary characters were memorable at all, but Thanquol himself is one of the most hilariously written characters I've ever read about. Werner does an amazing job of capturing the mindset of a paranoid schizophrenic, and it is awesome. I would definitely read them.
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Jul 12, 2015 01:56
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CL Werner also wrote Siege of Castellax, the only hams book so bad I had to put it down after 100 pages. I left it on a table at my game club and hopefully some poor sod picked it up, started reading, and then did the right thing and burned it.
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Jul 13, 2015 16:15
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SRM posted:CL Werner also wrote Siege of Castellax, the only hams book so bad I had to put it down after 100 pages. I left it on a table at my game club and hopefully some poor sod picked it up, started reading, and then did the right thing and burned it. Which is interesting, because he also did the Matthias Thulmann WItch Hunter trilogy, which I thought was pretty drat good.
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Jul 13, 2015 16:31
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Gameko posted:I really like the fluff around the Skaven and I'm wondering...are any of the Thanquol books worth reading? Any Skaven books in general? thanquol is a recurring character in the gotrek and felix books, which are fairly highly rated as far as warhammer books go
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Jul 13, 2015 16:59
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CL Werner seems to really get Fantasy, but not 40k so much for some reason.
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Jul 13, 2015 17:25
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SRM posted:CL Werner also wrote Siege of Castellax, the only hams book so bad I had to put it down after 100 pages. I left it on a table at my game club and hopefully some poor sod picked it up, started reading, and then did the right thing and burned it. that book had a few moments but it was boringly grimdark for me. same with any of the flesh tearers drek. I have only seen the "rip and tear" poo poo done well few times and that was with angron and kharn.
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Jul 13, 2015 17:59
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Dapper_Swindler posted:that book had a few moments but it was boringly grimdark for me. same with any of the flesh tearers drek. I have only seen the "rip and tear" poo poo done well few times and that was with angron and kharn. It went from grim dark to cartoony villainy. The book opens with the main villain breaking a guy's arms, putting him on a chain over a pit of boiling metal, and for every minute he doesn't try and make the sign of the aquila, the guy gets lowered another centimeter. There's absolutely no reason to do that aside from twirling your moustache and cackling. Then later they murder a bunch of their own pilots for some reason (to inspire fear or loyalty?) and then bitch about how their airforce is getting overpowered by the Ork airforce because they don't have enough pilots. It's like they had Cobra Commander running a Grand Company, but somehow sucked all the fun out of it.
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Jul 13, 2015 18:07
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berzerkmonkey posted:Which is interesting, because he also did the Matthias Thulmann WItch Hunter trilogy, which I thought was pretty drat good. I dunno, I'm halfway through the third Witch Hunter book and it's alright. I suppose I did enjoy the bit at the end of the second book where four different and opposed factions all show up for a party all at once and then everyone starts fighting everyone else but for the most part these books have been just kinda there. Competent, but ultimately uninspiring.
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Jul 13, 2015 19:24
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Well, in full disclosure, I did read them when they came out, which was years ago. I suppose in that time standards for WFB books have risen, so if I went back and read them again, I might not like them as much, or at all. I will say that, at the time, there were other WFB books that I just thought were utter trash and couldn't get through for fear of dying of boredom, so that's gotta say something...
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Jul 13, 2015 20:13
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Really, it's just that CL Werner is a lot better writing WFB than 40k.
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Jul 13, 2015 20:15
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Arquinsiel posted:Also relevant is that GW doesn't really bother with rank all that much and you've got Sergeants and "Veteran Sergeants" effectively doing the same job, but somehow being different. Dude could be Colour Regimental Sergeant Major 1st Class and actually have more clout than Captains depending on what the writers felt like declaring was the regimental structure for that unit. It was fun watching Abnett figure out that regiments aren't just a collection of a hundred odd platoons. Edit: Also that one regiment being founded in the first Eisenhorn novel having 50,000 dudes. Hunterhr fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 03:39
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I am willing to let poo poo slide because it's clear that they were left with nobody that wasn't an NCO (somehow) before they even made it off-planet at Tanith. Very telling though, I felt, was how they were referred to as "<leader>'s mob" all the time. There would be just enough of them in there to die as necessary, but still achieve the objective. It works, and is only an irritance to me because I was the fool who made a Ghosts army for 40k after getting into WWII gaming and actually had the first clue about command structures.
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Hunterhr posted:It was fun watching Abnett figure out that regiments aren't just a collection of a hundred odd platoons. I'm pretty sure not knowing about Lieutenants was a genuine Abnett misstep, but Regiments being anywhere from <1k to tens of thousands of men each is something that's been in 40k since before I started following it, which was well before Eisenhorn. A "regiment" of Imperial Army was traditionally "the amount of Army soldiers that the regiment's warship could carry" during the Great Crusade. (I guess old 40k didn't have dedicated troop transports.) After the Heresy, Army authority was decoupled from Navy authority, but the softness of the "regiment" definition persisted throughout the ten thousand years following the Army's transformation into the Guard. Long story short, it has always been part of 40k that a regiment is however big the author wants it to be. Edit: tangential: Abnett is terrible at estimating density, both population-wise and also "how much should a really big spaceship weigh." Sulecrist fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 12:41
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The other odd thing about 40k is that Battalion and Division level organizations are pretty much nonexistent in the Imperial Guard. The regiment is the standard unit size for the Guard. Squads, platoons, companies, regiments, and then it's cut off.
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Jul 15, 2015 19:17
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Arcsquad12 posted:The other odd thing about 40k is that Battalion and Division level organizations are pretty much nonexistent in the Imperial Guard. The regiment is the standard unit size for the Guard. Squads, platoons, companies, regiments, and then it's cut off. I think the whole "shuffling forces around IN SPACE" tends to be detrimental to specific permanent levels of organization.
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Jul 15, 2015 19:31
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Klaus88 posted:I think the whole "shuffling forces around IN SPACE" tends to be detrimental to specific permanent levels of organization. That and the whole collapse of civilization, the roaches in the wall trying to reassemble the gone glory of the homeowners, cargo cult of how society is supposed to work thing.
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Jul 15, 2015 20:31
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Also the whole reason why Imperial Guard organization is cut off at the regiment level is to contain and marginalize any Guard units that turn traitor. They don't want a rogue Guard unit that has infantry, armor, artillery, etc like what happened during the Heresy, so they keep Guard organization at single-purpose regiments and then encourages inter-regimental feuds to slow heresy spreading from one contaminated unit to another. Only a few Guard forces of ironclad loyalty like the Cadians are allowed to employ mixed forces.
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Jul 15, 2015 21:08
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guys look stuff: http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/15/new-warhammer-40000-action-rpg-announced I wonder if it will die like eternal crusade
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Jul 16, 2015 04:21
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Waroduce posted:guys look stuff: They made The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing, which was a very well-recieved and well-supported ARPG. So it's right in their wheelhouse. MMO's are kind of a different beast.
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Jul 16, 2015 04:26
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So anybody thrown themselves on the grenade and read the new Age of Sigmar book yet? http://www.blacklibrary.com/Home/gates-of-azyr-eb.html
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Jul 16, 2015 12:53
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I guess that means no more novels starring heroic rat catchers? 
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Jul 16, 2015 13:57
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gently caress it, it's a fiver. Which is a fair price to know whether I ever need to read a Warhammer Fantasy novel again. I'm going in. If I don't return tell my wife, who the hell are you? I'm not married.
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Jul 16, 2015 14:05
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Deptfordx posted:So anybody thrown themselves on the grenade and read the new Age of Sigmar book yet? It's Chris Wraight, so it's probably very good.
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Jul 16, 2015 14:19
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Whens the 20 dolla night lords short come out
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Jul 16, 2015 15:54
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Well that sure was something. I'll put this in a spoiler box, just in case, but there's not much to spoil. It's not great. But that's not necessarily the authors fault. It's a 200 page novella, and it's basically a set up story for the AOS box set. Like the piece of fiction you often get at the start of a pen and paper RPG that sets the tone for the game. So it's pretty much, here is the basic set up, here are the characters with some brief back story. Here are the new models and a brief glimpse of what they do on the field. There is a big fight. The end. It may well be possible to write an actual novel in this new universe, with a decent story and plot. That remains to be seen. This is not such a novel, but it's clearly not meant to be. Stray observations. - All trace of the Old World is gone. Those thinking (or wanting) there's still an actual civilisation somewhere where there are regiments of pikemen and caparisoned cavalry are going to be disappointed. The main setting of the action is beyond 'The Road' level Apocolyptic when it comes to Humanity. Actual people are a few scattered tribes, hunted by cannibals. There are a few Khornate cities and citadels mentioned but no real detail gone into. - The Stormcast Eternals  have a weird vibe. I can see why people have started calling them Sigmarines. It's not just the Look. They - Even by Black Library standards. The names are pretty stupid. 'Bloodsecretor' et al. - The main Khorne guy seemed to be doing Magic. Blasting stuff apart, launching psychic attacks etc. Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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Jul 16, 2015 16:12
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So no rat catchers
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Jul 16, 2015 17:39
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If there are, they'll be called Vermin Slaughtquisitors and be accompanied by a Gargantuan Killhound.
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Jul 16, 2015 17:46
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Deptfordx posted:If there are, they'll be called BloodVermin Slaughtquisitors and be accompanied by a Ur-Gar
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Jul 16, 2015 20:30
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Changing my name to Bloodeptford Xecutioner
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Jul 16, 2015 20:35
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ADB wrote poo poo about First Claw during the HH, but I can't be assed to keep using the mobile app to read it. Just write a new Night Lords book already.
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AndyElusive posted:ADB wrote poo poo about First Claw during the HH, but I can't be assed to keep using the mobile app to read it. Just write a new Night Lords book already. there is a scene where Talos is hallucinating or something and remebers being on the Walls of the Palace on Terra with Variel when he was a first Sargent its p fuckin sweet bro e: in one of the original trilogy
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Jul 17, 2015 03:53
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I know this is a safe space which is why I am going to post the following: ADB is starting a choose your own adventure game on his blog complete with polling, so if you are at all interested in following alone now is the time! The first installment just went up. https://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/the-archmage-zorbulon-part-one/
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You have not mislead me, Black Library thread. Night Lords was real good ya'll. I just went and ordered First Heretic, The Emperor's Gift, and Talon of Horus. Anything else I should grab? Ahriman looks interesting but it's loving $32 on Amazon, so uh, no.
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Jul 17, 2015 23:07
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I liked ahriman alot Gods/lord/whatevrr of mars trilogy Blood of Asehim that whole wolves series Betrayer Fear to Tread Know No Fear 1-3 of Horus Heresy Grey knights omnibus Jk on the last one
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Jul 17, 2015 23:16
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Helsreach btw get that asap
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Jul 17, 2015 23:21
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victrix posted:You have not mislead me, Black Library thread. Night Lords was real good ya'll. After First Heretic, read Know No Fear then Betrayer since they're all connected and loving awesome.
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victrix posted:You have not mislead me, Black Library thread. Night Lords was real good ya'll. I'm not a fan of the Ahriman books at all. They have a few interesting sequences here and there, but they're mostly a slog to read.
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