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Since it was asked in-game earlier, I figured I'd post what I'm doing for rarity aetherical reductions. I'm trying to decide which ultimately is better of the two rotations below. Full disclosure, I'm awful at math and statistics and am overall p stupid Discerning > Methodical x3 = will net you a single ~512 collectability item, which is a 6/8 rarity item. Impulsive > (If proc) Single Mind > Methodical > Single Mind > Discerning Eye > Methodical = will net you 3 items with ~500 collectability, also 6/8 rarity. Relies on a 30% chance to proc opener; if it fails to proc, you really should just methodical twice and move on. I'm unsure if there's a better rotation, and have spent the better part of a couple days trying to find more information on how to hit 8/8 rarity, but so far everything I've found involves use of Last Ditch and tons of luck.
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Zereth posted:Every time I try to follow a link to a specific post it doesn't work. your computer is trying to protect you because it loves you doesn't want to see you suffer
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Jul 11, 2015 05:11
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Zereth posted:Every time I try to follow a link to a specific post it doesn't work. Mobile links don't work on desktop and vice versa because Square is good at computers. If you're on mobile, try request desktop version Or just take it as a sign
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Jul 11, 2015 05:12
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ApplesandOranges posted:I put down marks if I see the DPS going for two different mobs at once. This actually makes sense as a summoner, because the less monsters that are alive, the less dots you have going. Ideally as a summoner you want every monster to die around the same time. And this is also why kill marks are stupid.
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Jul 11, 2015 05:14
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If a tank marks in non-raid content, mark the tank as 1 and start attacking 2.
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Jul 11, 2015 05:17
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I got to 54 on Monk today. I know it shouldn't be hard but I am having a gently caress of a time dividing my combat-free (either in a boss or between packs) GCDs between putting myself in a form to keep up buffs/GL and actually getting to bloody use Forbidden Chakra. Is this just a practice thing or does anyone have any advice? Does MNK change much more from here to 60?
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Jul 11, 2015 05:23
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The moment a pull stops I just slam Meditation until I have 5 stacks. There's usually enough time between pulls to get at least that up, and if I have some extra time I get in a Form Shift or two. At 56 you get
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Jul 11, 2015 05:35
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ApplesandOranges posted:I put down marks if I see the DPS going for two different mobs at once. Once you hit ~30-40 and get your tank stance, marks are pretty much meaningless. Besides, at 50+ black mages and summoners will do double or triple the dps on aoes as opposed to single-targeting.
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Jul 11, 2015 05:36
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Opposing Farce posted:Marks can be useful in low-level dungeons where you might not have the tools you need to effectively keep aggro but once you have your tanking stance and definitely once you hit 50+ you should have enough AoE threat generation at your disposal that keeping aggro isn't a concern regardless of what the DPS are doing, at least so long as you're paying even just a little bit of attention to the threat meters. If they have Flash, Overpower, or Unleash, a tank has all the tools you need to effectively keep aggro. If they still can't, that's them loving up.
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Jul 11, 2015 05:40
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Yeah, even on Paladin Flash and cycling targets is enough to keep threat. The only time I ever mark stuff is when people are ignoring some mechanic that needs to be killed because it's casting Doom or whatever.
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Jul 11, 2015 05:45
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i literally never do anything except 2x overpower - flash and you can have my aggro when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers
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Jul 11, 2015 05:50
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i've been running vault all evening and let me tell you if i can pull aggro off you as MCH, you are loving something up
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Jul 11, 2015 05:53
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i kept pulling aggro off of my DK mt (as War) during ravana so eventually i had to skip entire gcds what is the actual way to not take aggro off of bad tanks?
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Jul 11, 2015 05:55
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:i kept pulling aggro off of my DK mt (as War) during ravana so eventually i had to skip entire gcds Boot them and get a tank in FC chat. Seriously, tanking in MMOs now is about cooldown management, not threat management.
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Jul 11, 2015 05:57
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Niton posted:Use WTFast, it completely fixes things since it hides the game's traffic from the (netflix) throttling. It worked! All the negative reviews are weird with people claiming it didn't work. A lot of them seem to be outside the US, maybe it only works for North America? Shame about them trying to bribe for reviews too, the product seems to stand well enough on its own, certainly worked for me.
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Jul 11, 2015 05:59
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ApplesandOranges posted:I put down marks if I see the DPS going for two different mobs at once. This is me. I'm sorry. Mostly out of spite for the tank either marking a mob that no one is attacking or not marking the one I'm already on. Ciaphas posted:I got to 54 on Monk today. I know it shouldn't be hard but I am having a gently caress of a time dividing my combat-free (either in a boss or between packs) GCDs between putting myself in a form to keep up buffs/GL and actually getting to bloody use Forbidden Chakra. Is this just a practice thing or does anyone have any advice? Getting stacks to use Forbidden Chakra isn't really practical to fit into your rotation, and the best thing to do is save it for an alpha strike and build up stacks during down time. Also you get tornado kick at 60 which is off GCD and great as a finisher on the last mob in a pull, or an "Oh poo poo I'm about to lose greased lightning" button. year199X fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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Jul 11, 2015 06:01
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I'll mark a mob in a giant aoe pull that has a gently caress off ground effect. Becsuse when you do these pulls you're still going to focus your auto attacks on at least one mob while spamming the aoe attacks. So if the first one to die is the most annoying one it works out. Also when I do small but quick pulls they die quicker when I mark a 1 and 2 on two of the mobs in the pack so the dps attacks accordingly. Usually works out and my runs are always 18-25 mins long.
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I've been having a lot of issues with Verizon lately as well, so it could be an ISP-wide thing. Robo Reagan posted:Boot them and get a tank in FC chat. Seriously, tanking in MMOs now is about cooldown management, not threat management. It wasn't an issue of him dying (he did die though), it was just me pulling aggro off of him while OTing.
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Jul 11, 2015 06:06
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Rei_ posted:i've been running vault all evening and let me tell you if i can pull aggro off you as MCH, you are loving something up I ran Vault earlier tonight on my DRG and a MCH and I kept pulling aggro from a DRK. He took a ton of dmg too while tanking bosses, not sure what was going on.
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Jul 11, 2015 06:07
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Kuai posted:I got kicked out of an Aery for AOEing on SMN and "not following target marks" A lot of tanks still haven't learned of the glory and majesty that is Painflare. Painflare HARDER. It's the only way.
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Jul 11, 2015 06:08
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:i kept pulling aggro off of my DK mt (as War) during ravana so eventually i had to skip entire gcds Pretend that Butcher's Block doesn't exist and just rotate Storm's Eye/Storm's Path. If you're still pulling aggro, get a new MT.
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Jul 11, 2015 06:09
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TwistedNails posted:I ran Vault earlier tonight on my DRG and a MCH and I kept pulling aggro from a DRK. He took a ton of dmg too while tanking bosses, not sure what was going on. the amount of tanks i've ran into even post 50 that think grit and darkside are mutually exclusive has been overwhelmingly high, maybe it was that
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Jul 11, 2015 06:15
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At first I thought they were exclusive when I was setting up my bars after turning into a DRK for the first time. Then I hit both buttons. It's amazing what you can learn in two seconds just by trying something rather than assuming it.
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Rafzakael posted:Since it was asked in-game earlier, I figured I'd post what I'm doing for rarity aetherical reductions. It obviously requires luck, but I've hit 8/8 just by doing Utmost Caution + Single Mind + Impulsive twice, then two more impulsive (or impulsive and then methodical if it procced). If at least 3 of them proc, it should be 8/8. I have 576 perception, though (and try to use food buffs on top of that). It's not really worth it because you don't seem to get anything special from it, just landborne/leafborne aethersand, which don't seem to have a use currently. They probably will eventually though so I'm tempted to buy up all the cheap ones on the mb.
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bonewitch posted:Once you hit ~30-40 and get your tank stance, marks are pretty much meaningless. You don't do that much more dmg with aoe unless its like 10 mobs. Its only a very minor increase of total damage to aoe 3 mobs.
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Jul 11, 2015 07:03
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Rand Brittain posted:The best thing about lalafells is how everybody takes them completely seriously and nobody in the game ever treats them as children or adorable or in any way less worthy of serious consideration than, say, a roegadyn. fear over being associated with creepy pedophiles has destroyed your brain
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So another Goon MCH and I did some testing earlier and found something really interesting. He was complaining that his DPS was really low and watching his rotation, I couldn't figure out why. Then I noticed his Lead Shots were ticking for about half of what mine were. His gear wasn't a lot worse (I was 175 vs. his 170, we both had the 180 gun), but the damage per tick was so much less. To test, I swapped out some accessories to get down to 170, and sure enough, my DoT was ticking for around as much as his was. So long story short, it looks like the scaling on MCH damage might be kind of crazy.
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As a healer, I'd just like to give a shout out to PLDs who use Clemency. Not just on themselves, but on the DPS, or even on me when I have stuff to do and haven't noticed my own life dropping. You guys are the best. 
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Jul 11, 2015 08:22
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Silvergun1000 posted:So another Goon MCH and I did some testing earlier and found something really interesting. He was complaining that his DPS was really low and watching his rotation, I couldn't figure out why. Then I noticed his Lead Shots were ticking for about half of what mine were. His gear wasn't a lot worse (I was 175 vs. his 170, we both had the 180 gun), but the damage per tick was so much less. To test, I swapped out some accessories to get down to 170, and sure enough, my DoT was ticking for around as much as his was. I wonder if the same applies to all the other classes and the new ilvls are just skewed as gently caress
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Silvergun1000 posted:So another Goon MCH and I did some testing earlier and found something really interesting. He was complaining that his DPS was really low and watching his rotation, I couldn't figure out why. Then I noticed his Lead Shots were ticking for about half of what mine were. His gear wasn't a lot worse (I was 175 vs. his 170, we both had the 180 gun), but the damage per tick was so much less. To test, I swapped out some accessories to get down to 170, and sure enough, my DoT was ticking for around as much as his was. I made a reddit thread for visibility https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3cw4st/the_problem_with_mch_may_be_that_their_scaling_is/ pandaK posted:I wonder if the same applies to all the other classes and the new ilvls are just skewed as gently caress A curious thought, maybe? edit: vvv ty math is hard psymonkey fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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psymonkey posted:I made a reddit thread for visibility https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3cw4st/the_problem_with_mch_may_be_that_their_scaling_is/ Just looking for any sort of causal relationships, maybe there's some sort of mathemagical bullshit that goes on once you cross the 900 stat threshold ("The difference in DEX was 19. (889 vs 918)"). Also that's a difference of 29 points, just nitpicking.
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psymonkey posted:Whenever I see a tank start putting down marks I know I'm in for a good time. They are almost always atrocious at holding aggro. When I switched from tank to SMN and started taking aggro all the time I was like "maybe it's me?" Then when I switched back to tank and had 0 issues holding aggro for smn's I was like "no, it's definitely them". I put down marks because not killing the mob that applies the Debuff Du Jour makes everyone's life harder, the activity slower, and everyone's more miserable as a result. It staggers me how few people know to prioritize the Alpgrot Orobon in Dzmael Darkhold, for example. Tanks and not-tanks both. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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Jul 11, 2015 09:21
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Ciaphas posted:I got to 54 on Monk today. I know it shouldn't be hard but I am having a gently caress of a time dividing my combat-free (either in a boss or between packs) GCDs between putting myself in a form to keep up buffs/GL and actually getting to bloody use Forbidden Chakra. Is this just a practice thing or does anyone have any advice? No, the new monk skills were just poorly thought out and form shift makes the rest of them redundant for almost all current content outside of Ravana Ex.
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pandaK posted:I wonder if the same applies to all the other classes and the new ilvls are just skewed as gently caress New ilevels definitely are not super consistent. Going from an Yasha Casting Chest to Asuran Casting Chest, 170 to 180, is +3 INT (75 -> 78). Going up to a Gordian chest of casting from Asuran, or 180 to 190, is +8 INT (78 -> 86). I don't know if that's relevant to the point, though, as while a difference of 29 DEX is significant I wouldn't expect dot damage to double.
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Ever get a tank so god drat stupid you swear they're trolling but it turns out they're really THAT stupid? Had one of those in a Bismarck learning party. Holy poo poo.
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psymonkey posted:I made a reddit thread for visibility https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3cw4st/the_problem_with_mch_may_be_that_their_scaling_is/ I find this hard to believe. You don't mention very much about how you tested it or the sample size. I find it super unlikely someone at i175 has bigger dot ticks than me when I have i180. Maybe there is some weird side stat fuckery but my dot doesnt even tick for 500 on a crit. Did you test this for more than like 2 ticks. Dots will mash into one big pile that ticks for a combined damage though it shouldn't do it from two different sources but maybe it does now. Lunch! Finally! fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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Jul 11, 2015 10:01
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Magil Zeal posted:New ilevels definitely are not super consistent. Going from an Yasha Casting Chest to Asuran Casting Chest, 170 to 180, is +3 INT (75 -> 78). Going up to a Gordian chest of casting from Asuran, or 180 to 190, is +8 INT (78 -> 86). I don't know if that's relevant to the point, though, as while a difference of 29 DEX is significant I wouldn't expect dot damage to double. Okay I'm gonna go off on a tangent but drat am I noticing a ton of the same names I saw in GW2 in FFXIV (so far Ascalonian and Asuran).
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Jul 11, 2015 10:08
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Well Asura and Yasha are Japanese (and others) mythological concepts while Ascalon is a city that was important in the Crusades, and the latter pops up in the Knights of the Round ability names.
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Eej posted:Well Asura and Yasha are Japanese (and others) mythological concepts while Ascalon is a city that was important in the Crusades, and the latter pops up in the Knights of the Round ability names. The reference to the city is kind of indirect. St. George's legendary dragon-slaying weapon was named Ascalon (after the city), and in-game, Ascalon is King Thordan's sword.
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Oh yeah I totally missed that. I blame 5AM posting.
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