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Morton, trap god.
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Jul 10, 2015 21:33
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How does one differentiate between a "trapping" character and a "zoning" character? Aren't they both basically the same thing, using projectiles and items to reduce your opponent's options? There's plenty of characters that can do that in this game to varying degrees.
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Jul 10, 2015 21:35
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I guess you could say it's a rectangle/square situation, trappers are all zoners but not all zoners are trappers. Except no one actually uses the term "trappers"
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Jul 10, 2015 21:42
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yeah at most you'll hear people say that a character has traps, it isn't really an archetype. same reason a divekick character is still just a rushdown character.
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Jul 10, 2015 21:49
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also P:M people who rightfully loathe the new announcer, the Skullgirls announcer made a voice pack that's like a billion times better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL9DJIHi5Y0 here's a download link, hopefully it works
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Jul 10, 2015 21:57
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Countblanc posted:also P:M people who rightfully loathe the new announcer, the Skullgirls announcer made a voice pack that's like a billion times better. It's actually repulsive to me, down to the pit of my stomach, that this video doesn't represent unmodded PM.
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Jul 10, 2015 22:06
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If you want a zoning character with traps, you want Duck Hunt, absolutely no question
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Jul 10, 2015 22:06
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The differences between zoners and trappers are pretty nebulous at times, but IMO the defining characteristics are "I wanna play keep-away" for zoners and "I want you to go here whether you like it or not" for trappers. Duck Hunt is definitely a trapper, but a zoner in Smash could only be Mega Man. Mega Man is a walking armory of projectiles, but only one or two of them have any utility besides being fired directly at the enemy; the only difference is which direction they go. His few close-range moves, if not at KO percentage, are best used to keep the enemy away from you so you can keep shooting stuff at them until they are at KO percentage. Most Smash characters encourage getting in close, but for Mega Man you always want to keep the enemy just out of arm's reach until you're going in for the kill. Duck Hunt has fewer projectiles, but they all have some unique mechanic to them: the can is shot around the arena at the player's whim and explodes on contact with an enemy or when shot enough times, the clay pigeon is a normally weak projectile that can be "detonated" in a multi-hit burst, and the Wild Gunmen are both delayed striker projectiles and meat shields. They're all somewhat slow, but they're also quite strong and there's nothing stopping you from throwing out all three at once; with some practice, it's pretty easy to mindgame the enemy into avoiding one thing so he'll get hit by the other thing. SL the Pyro fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 22:55
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Duck hunt is not a trapper, he's a hunter. The clue is in the name people.
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Jul 10, 2015 22:58
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Aston posted:Duck hunt is not a trapper, he's a hunter. The clue is in the name people.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:19
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A fun word for trappers who play keepaway games is Trapper Keeper, colorful characters born in the '90s. They seem impenetrable at first but don't worry, they will fall apart sure as day.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:23
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Reiley posted:A fun word for trappers who play keepaway games is Trapper Keeper, colorful characters born in the '90s. They seem impenetrable at first but don't worry, they will fall apart sure as day. They're also banned from school because of all the noise they make.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:24
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what was school like in Nazi Germany?
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Jul 10, 2015 23:27
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Countblanc posted:also P:M people who rightfully loathe the new announcer, the Skullgirls announcer made a voice pack that's like a billion times better. thank god. also i'm glad the person who recorded that understood the importance of mashing dedede's name
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Jul 10, 2015 23:30
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Sade posted:If you want a zoning character with traps, you want Duck Hunt, absolutely no question Oh yeah, completely forgot about Duck Hunt /Dog/Duo when I wrote that. They're fun, but I haven't really got the hang of them yet. mabels big day posted:How does one differentiate between a "trapping" character and a "zoning" character? Aren't they both basically the same thing, using projectiles and items to reduce your opponent's options? There's plenty of characters that can do that in this game to varying degrees.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:34
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If you want to read about frame data here is a cool website http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4 they don't have everyone yet but they seem to be working on it. For reference: Hitbox Active are the frames in a move where it causes damage. FAF is First Active Frame, or the first frame where you're no longer stuck in a move and can do something else. Base Dmg. is the damage percent a move does when it's fresh. BKB is Base Knockback, or how hard the move will throw your opponent away. WBKB is "weight-based knockback" and I'm honestly not sure how applicable that is (???) KBG is Knockback Gain, or how sharply knockback scales with damage percents. The game runs at 60 frames per second, if you want to translate moves into some rough idea of how many seconds it lasts
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Jul 10, 2015 23:47
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the site is pretty good for frame data but i dont agree with a lot of the difficulty choices
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Jul 11, 2015 00:56
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Tonetta posted:the site is pretty good for frame data but i dont agree with a lot of the difficulty choices Yeah those bars are kind of dumb and arbitrary.
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Jul 11, 2015 00:58
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on the other hand lucina's playstyle being 'forward smash' owns
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Jul 11, 2015 01:34
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Endorph posted:on the other hand lucina's playstyle being 'forward smash' owns Much unlike Lucina in Smash unfortunately
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Jul 11, 2015 02:19
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dunno if anyone is watching but theres been some hilarious matches so far. Team Leffen Mango actively trying to kill each other in 2s and M2k playing Pichu http://www.twitch.tv/smashstudios
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Jul 11, 2015 02:33
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King K Rool needs to happen. Also I badly need friends to play this game with on Wii U, please add Athropos to your friends so we can smash some fools or ourselves! Athropos fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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Jul 11, 2015 03:10
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Game and Watch + Sheik banned at evo
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Jul 11, 2015 03:55
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So what does that combo do that's so crazy, because for whatever reason they decided not to even mention what makes G&W and Sheik such a broken pairing??
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Jul 11, 2015 03:59
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Sheik's Vanish fills G&W's bucket in two uses and is an instant KO on hit.
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Jul 11, 2015 04:01
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Reiley posted:If you want to read about frame data here is a cool website http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4 they don't have everyone yet but they seem to be working on it. flare blade is 10 frames safer than Fsmash for roy, and 5 frames safer than dash attack, on a miss. note to self: stop throwing out fsmashes, protect your Boy.
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Jul 11, 2015 04:22
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It's a mystery why Sheik's up-b puts out a projectile hitbox, or counts for the bucket at all. It's like the last thing in the world to make sense for bucket filler.
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Jul 11, 2015 04:23
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it's a mystery why they made sheik and zss so loving annoying. jesus. ZSS's iframes on her flip especially. i'm just terrified the fans moaning about roy (who's pretty well-balanced IMO) will get him nerfed into melee levels of poo poo while Sheik and Zss and other boring-to-watch keepaway characters stay top tier. at least Sonic's up top representing Fun and Action, because otherwise the top 8 would be garbage.
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Jul 11, 2015 04:26
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Idk why they are banning that when Sakurai thinks it totally acceptable in the game..hes the one that greenlight sheiks explosions to count like pikachu's lightning jolts or Samus charged shot. Salty EVO
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Jul 11, 2015 04:27
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DoctorWhat posted:
the only thing "fun" about sonic is spamming every move that makes him dash into a ball and only playing that way
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Jul 11, 2015 04:28
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bef posted:the only thing "fun" about sonic is spamming every move that makes him dash into a ball and only playing that way yeah exactly. that's Pro Strats. it's called mixups and mindgames, pleb.
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Jul 11, 2015 04:32
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DoctorWhat posted:yeah exactly. that's Pro Strats. it's called mixups and mindgames, pleb. Taint Reaped agai - wait what
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Jul 11, 2015 05:05
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TheKingofSprings posted:Taint Reaped agai - wait what you wound me. my heart is Valerai Aichin'
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Jul 11, 2015 05:14
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bef posted:Idk why they are banning that when Sakurai thinks it totally acceptable in the game..hes the one that greenlight sheiks explosions to count like pikachu's lightning jolts or Samus charged shot. Salty EVO I think it may be an oversight, since this strat never worked in Melee or Brawl, and because Villager could pocket Sonic's Spring and Pac-Man's Trampoline, until that was patched out. Reiley posted:WBKB is "weight-based knockback" and I'm honestly not sure how applicable that is (???) For example, the star that King Dedede shoots with his Inhale will do more damage and knockback based on the character he's spitting. Heavier characters do much more (Bowser can kill fairly early); Jigglypuff does jack-all. I'm not certain if Kirby's Inhale has the same properties, or if they're as pronounced.
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Jul 11, 2015 05:21
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I didn't know that was even a thing!!! Always learning...... thank you
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Jul 11, 2015 05:34
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Smash...Smash is fun <3
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Jul 11, 2015 07:07
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bef posted:Smash...Smash is fun <3 You're not foolin' me
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Jul 11, 2015 12:32
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Reiley posted:It's a mystery why Sheik's up-b puts out a projectile hitbox, or counts for the bucket at all. It's like the last thing in the world to make sense for bucket filler. They made all bombs and explosions fill the bucket, like Link's bombs. Game and Watch is one of the best characters in this game, so he should be allowed in my humble opinion. I would love to see top 8 doubles be shiek/g&w dittos, sincerely.
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Jul 11, 2015 13:13
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I think G&W and Sheik are allowed, you just can't run the specific combo of them.
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Endorph posted:I think G&W and Sheik are allowed, you just can't run the specific combo of them. Well yeah but i want to see the combo because it's funny
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