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twistedmentat posted:Wasn't Vanisher on Wolverine's X-force? Yeah. If I recall correctly, they had Elixir give him a big brain tumor as blackmail.
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It was also in the shape of the X-Men logo. I like how basically everyone in Wolverine's X-Force goes full sociopath but then after it's over everyone's cool with all of the former members again.
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Jul 11, 2015 16:55
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Elixir was a really good character. I wish they hadn't hosed him up and abandoned him so hard.
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Jul 11, 2015 17:32
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That X-Force series gets a lot of poo poo, but it really isn't that bad and even gets good in parts. But the Wolfsbane/yiffing poo poo is just a total waste of time.
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Jul 11, 2015 17:46
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DrProsek posted:It was also in the shape of the X-Men logo. Haha I forgot about that. It was always hard for me to see that team as bad, because they were killing Purifiers, and gently caress those guys, gently caress them hard.
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Jul 11, 2015 18:29
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notthegoatseguy posted:That X-Force series gets a lot of poo poo, but it really isn't that bad and even gets good in parts. But the Wolfsbane/yiffing poo poo is just a total waste of time. Is Wolfsbane ever in a series where she isn't the worst part of that series?
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Jul 11, 2015 19:04
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I've never read that X-Force, but I've always liked Wolfsbane in X-Factor. Even her accent was really charming to me.
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Jul 11, 2015 19:06
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I thought the art went really well with that book. I actually liked it for quite a while, I just got to a point where I always flipped past the Wolfsbane pages. The issue where they slaughter a poo poo load of Marauder clones was probably my favorite part.
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Wanderer posted:Man, there's an article for you: the bizarre dumping ground of Louise Simonson's late-'80s Marvel output. There's also Power Pack, but that's not late 1980s per se. The Marvel Wiki has a pretty neat tag feature if you want to see all the Morlocks she created to get murdered, or reacquaint yourself with GOSSAMYR. Also a problem with the original Stabby X-Force was yeah, they were going against the Purifiers and a bunch of other like relentless genocidal maniacs, so the idea that maybe it's bad to take the lives of Double SuperHitlers is a bad idea never really seemed like a big moral quandary. At least Remender turned it into "killing Hitler as a baby". Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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Jul 11, 2015 21:54
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notthegoatseguy posted:That X-Force series gets a lot of poo poo, but it really isn't that bad and even gets good in parts. But the Wolfsbane/yiffing poo poo is just a total waste of time. Yeah, while I don't think it's overall good and it does deserve most of the poo poo it gets, it does have some genuinely redeeming arcs/moments. If Marvel ever did a rerelease of it with the aforementioned yiffing cut out (her early plotline with her dad had such promise but then it turned into that  ), clean up the art a little (the overall style, while not my thing, works for the book but there were some scenes legit too dark for me to see), give Stryfe a makeover so I don't burst out laughing every time he's onpanel, etc then I think it would actually an overall good series.
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Jul 11, 2015 22:58
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DrProsek posted:give Stryfe a makeover so I don't burst out laughing every time he's onpanel. Just remembered when I stopped reading.
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notthegoatseguy posted:But the Wolfsbane/yiffing poo poo is just a total waste of time. Hahah what. Does she get sucked into the online furry community or something 
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DrProsek posted:give Stryfe a makeover so I don't burst out laughing every time he's onpanel, this except every Rob Liefeld-designed character
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Jul 14, 2015 05:11
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SynthOrange posted:Hahah what. She gets a Norse wolf god boyfriend, and he impregnates her. Yadda yadda.
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Probably Magic posted:She gets a Norse wolf god boyfriend, and he impregnates her. Yadda yadda. I knew the first part, as its in Asgardian Wars, but the second part 
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twistedmentat posted:I knew the first part, as its in Asgardian Wars, but the second part She almost miscarries too. It's cool though, her boyfriend sells his soul to heal Elixer who saves them both. X-Force 2008 really isn't that bad, but it desperately needed to drop everything with Wolfsbane after her first arc with her dad/the Purifiers. That was good and had some great character drama. After that though she goes straight to yiffing and never returns. Four Score posted:this except every Rob Liefeld-designed character Well yeah, I think everyone but Deadpool who didn't already get a makeover needs one, but Stryfe is most noticeable for just being so bad with so little effort to fix him. I don't think he changed at all from his early 90s appearances.
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twistedmentat posted:I knew the first part, as its in Asgardian Wars, but the second part The bigger sin is that it then led to a really boring tangent in X-Factor up until close to the end of the series, if I recall.
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Jul 14, 2015 06:14
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Everything involving Wolfsbane in X-factor was really bad. Rah Rah catholicism, yiffing, horrible accent I can barely read, dramatic temper tantrums. I don't believe in bad characters, but that's a character that has yet to be written well.
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Jul 14, 2015 09:50
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Tsk, she's not Catholic, you ignoramus! She is terrible though and needs to be fired into the sun.
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Probably Magic posted:The bigger sin is that it then led to a really boring tangent in X-Factor up until close to the end of the series, if I recall. Not just boring, actually terrible. Like the worst Peter David's written in years. It was just awful.
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Jul 14, 2015 11:46
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X-Factor's epilogues were actually quite nice. It was that godawful hell on earth final arc that made you go, really? This is your big finale? And of course Wolfsbane and her furry miracle child had to be central to it.
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I will say I did like the Strong Guy stuff. Gets resurrected, everyone is told he doesn't have a soul, accidentially kills a guy, everyone starts giving him the cold shoulder. series of unlikely events lead to him and his would be love interest not getting together, leaves team, take a job for the devil, kills antichrist, becomes lord of hell.
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Sentinel Red posted:Tsk, she's not Catholic, you ignoramus! I keep thinking she's Irish and therefore Catholic due to the accent and heavy religious bent. My biggest issue with X-Factor remains Madrox and Layla Miller getting together. It's so loving creepy.
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PaybackJack posted:I will say I did like the Strong Guy stuff. Gets resurrected, everyone is told he doesn't have a soul, accidentially kills a guy, everyone starts giving him the cold shoulder. series of unlikely events lead to him and his would be love interest not getting together, leaves team, take a job for the devil, kills antichrist, becomes lord of hell. Yeah, everyone unnecessarily shits on Strong Guy that whole time. Whatever "soul" he is missing, he's obviously a human with feelings still, and they just keep on treating him like a leper. Leave Strong Guy alone! 
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hope and vaseline posted:X-Factor's epilogues were actually quite nice. It was that godawful hell on earth final arc that made you go, really? This is your big finale? And of course Wolfsbane and her furry miracle child had to be central to it. Honest to god, I 100% forgot about the Hell on Earth War until reading this. Even without the lovely Wolfsbane poo poo, that arc sucked.
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I just reread X-Men Legacy #300 and god drat that is a good book. Everyone should read that if you haven't already, it's completely stand alone.
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drat, I forgot about ForgetMeNot.
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He plays a part in Spurrier's X-Force, an excellent book about very hosed up people doing hosed up things to themselves and others because they can't talk about their problems.
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ElNarez posted:He plays a part in Spurrier's X-Force, an excellent book about very hosed up people doing hosed up things to themselves and others because they can't talk about their problems. Yeah, that was a good book. Very weird at times but good. I wonder what the plan will be for Hope going forward.
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twistedmentat posted:I knew the first part, as its in Asgardian Wars, but the second part Haha, I can deal with that. Because I was already exposed to that decades earlier by 'What If?' the New Mutants stayed in Asgard? where she has puppies with the guy.
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So uh, is it me or while Uncanny was really fast paced, it was still really good? GOLDBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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twistedmentat posted:GOLDBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That guy's a legend!
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twistedmentat posted:So uh, is it me or while Uncanny was really fast paced, it was still really good? Am I going to be the odd one out if I say 'no'? That was like.. way too fast, and seemed ludicrously heavy handed. I was expecting it to end up being an illusion by the Stepfords at the end, with a 'and this is why we shouldn't go public' thing. Like, the dude was popular and accepted as a hero and, no, suddenly we're all ravenously bloodthirsty because of you being a mutant. That was actually kind of the worst use of that I've seen in a long time.
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E for Extinction is beautifully insane and I love every frame of it
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Between E is for Extinction 1 and 2 I've read Morrison's full New X-Men run. #1 finally gave me that push I needed.
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Morrison X-Men is my favorite X-Men.
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SynthOrange posted:Morrison X-Men is my favorite X-Men. It was really great. Dunno what kept me away from it for so long. I bought #114 when it came out, but I don't think my twelve year old brain could handle Quitely's art just yet. I started to get a little bored with it in the last two or three story arcs when it got away from the school stuff, but overall loved it. Is Austen's run worth reading at all?
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Unmature posted:Is Austen's run worth reading at all? Uh. Uh... http://comicsalliance.com/ask-chris-89-the-rise-and-fall-of-chuck-austen/
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Unmature posted:It was really great. Dunno what kept me away from it for so long. I bought #114 when it came out, but I don't think my twelve year old brain could handle Quitely's art just yet. I started to get a little bored with it in the last two or three story arcs when it got away from the school stuff, but overall loved it. Is Austen's run worth reading at all? NO. EDIT: Actually, his Exiles run wasn't horrible.
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quote:With that, Austen left comics, leaving behind a bunch of people writing top ten lists of the worst moments in X-Men history.
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