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Would you really want to ruin the experience of watching an episode by watching a crappy cell phone video where security turns it off five minutes in?
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Jul 11, 2015 22:09
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Cojawfee posted:Would you really want to ruin the experience of watching an episode by watching a crappy cell phone video where security turns it off five minutes in? Why does a junkie rub his gums on the carpet when he spills his fix?
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Jul 11, 2015 22:53
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Cojawfee posted:Would you really want to ruin the experience of watching an episode by watching a crappy cell phone video where security turns it off five minutes in? As long as it's complete and I can hear the jokes, I can leave the rest as an upgrade for the first time I really get to see it?
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Jul 11, 2015 23:50
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Cojawfee posted:Would you really want to ruin the experience of watching an episode by watching a crappy cell phone video where security turns it off five minutes in? because i have the dart monkey on my back
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Jul 12, 2015 06:18
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Sash! posted:because i have the dart monkey on my back I'm not supposed to be in here!
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Jul 12, 2015 06:20
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Cojawfee posted:I'm not supposed to be in here! ... it's like getting sucked off by an angel... a sweet angel with a tranquilizer....
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Jul 12, 2015 06:43
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Pick posted:Yeah, I think one of my favorite underlying threads is that Doc is actually excellent as a supervillain. That seems to be sort of a thing with the entire family. The original post-milliner Dr Venture founded the Guild, Rusty's dad was a straight up savage rear end in a top hat who was only not a villain because the standards of the world at the time were just as lovely as he was. Rusty is a proven villain waiting to happen, Dean is the rightful heir to the Guild and seems to be developing his own super scientist thing. Dermot's a huge rear end in a top hat and is basically a stupider Henchman 24. The only odd one out is Hank, who is TOTALLY Batman.
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Jul 12, 2015 07:26
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Angular Landbury posted:The only odd one out is Hank, who is TOTALLY Batman. Well, Rusty himself said Hank reminds him of himself when he was a kid; Hank is, to me, the kind of teenager Rusty would have turned into if it wasn't for Jonas and crew's particular brand of awful. While they both grew up in an awful "adventure" environment, at least Hank didn't have to shoot a villain in the head. Nor did he have to come face to face with his dad's massive dong in the morning after hearing him sleep with loose women all night. Like really, how does Rusty resist being a super villain? The TV show? Pressure from the old Team Venture? Too lazy? All of the above? Probably all of the above.
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Jul 12, 2015 09:42
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tarlibone posted:... it's like getting sucked off by an angel... a sweet angel with a tranquilizer....
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Jul 12, 2015 10:17
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pnumoman posted:Well, Rusty himself said Hank reminds him of himself when he was a kid; Hank is, to me, the kind of teenager Rusty would have turned into if it wasn't for Jonas and crew's particular brand of awful. While they both grew up in an awful "adventure" environment, at least Hank didn't have to shoot a villain in the head. Nor did he have to come face to face with his dad's massive dong in the morning after hearing him sleep with loose women all night. Apathy.
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Jul 12, 2015 13:40
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pnumoman posted:Well, Rusty himself said Hank reminds him of himself when he was a kid; Hank is, to me, the kind of teenager Rusty would have turned into if it wasn't for Jonas and crew's particular brand of awful. While they both grew up in an awful "adventure" environment, at least Hank didn't have to shoot a villain in the head. Nor did he have to come face to face with his dad's massive dong in the morning after hearing him sleep with loose women all night. Rusty's self-image is of himself as the good guy. He may be a selfish piece of poo poo a lot of the time, but openly being a bad guy would be to much for him.
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Jul 12, 2015 14:27
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I hope Hank actually turns into batman.
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Jul 12, 2015 14:47
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Cojawfee posted:I hope Hank actually turns into batman. He already has.
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Jul 12, 2015 14:58
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Pope Guilty posted:Rusty's self-image is of himself as the good guy. He may be a selfish piece of poo poo a lot of the time, but openly being a bad guy would be to much for him. Sure, but how did he get that self-image? His dad certainly didn't give him good lessons on morality, nor did the old Team Venture, so my guess is that the TV show seared that good guy self-image onto Rusty so hard he can never escape. Plus, being evil would mean throwing his TV show fame away, and you know he could never do that. Even if it is mostly due to apathy and/or laziness. Edit: Just had another thought...what if it was all due to the one being who actually raised Rusty? What if H.E.L.P.eR was the sole reason Rusty won't turn evil? Oh H.E.L.P.eR, is there anything you can't do? 
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Jul 12, 2015 17:35
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Cojawfee posted:I hope Hank actually turns into batman. Wait... we don't have a bat guy?
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Jul 12, 2015 17:46
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I imagine the original Team Venture did actually have some adventures where they did decent things, it's just way funnier to point out the times when Rusty's bizarre lifestyle got really hosed up. He occasionally makes a blasé reference to like, "oh, crawl down the vent shaft, stumble on the villain's secret plot, remove rubber mask, home for breakfast" kind of stuff that wasn't interesting enough to traumatise him.
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Jul 12, 2015 18:37
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pnumoman posted:Well, Rusty himself said Hank reminds him of himself when he was a kid; Hank is, to me, the kind of teenager Rusty would have turned into if it wasn't for Jonas and crew's particular brand of awful. While they both grew up in an awful "adventure" environment, at least Hank didn't have to shoot a villain in the head. Nor did he have to come face to face with his dad's massive dong in the morning after hearing him sleep with loose women all night. Rusty isn't malicious, he's just callous. Someone back up the thread said he's a villain in a more real-world everyday sense in that he doesn't give a poo poo and thoughtlessly hurts people through neglect and apathy, but he doesn't get any kicks or thrills out of it either which precludes being an actual supervillain, which I think is a pretty good assessment. Rusty is a guy who just doesn't give a gently caress
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Jul 12, 2015 18:47
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Rusty isn't malicious, he's just callous. Someone back up the thread said he's a villain in a more real-world everyday sense in that he doesn't give a poo poo and thoughtlessly hurts people through neglect and apathy, but he doesn't get any kicks or thrills out of it either which precludes being an actual supervillain, which I think is a pretty good assessment. Rusty is a guy who just doesn't give a gently caress Yeah, I'll grant that Rusty fails supervillain criteria number one in that he doesn't get a kick out of being evil. But honestly, the banal nature of his villainy makes him even more evil in my eyes. It's like when Phantom Limb discovers Professor Incorrigible's power source; he may not get a kick out of it, but goddamn is it evil as hell.
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Jul 12, 2015 20:01
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pnumoman posted:Well, Rusty himself said Hank reminds him of himself when he was a kid; As I recall, he says this in a scene where it's very apparent he has his kids' personalities mixed up.
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Jul 12, 2015 21:32
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smidgeonnn posted:As I recall, he says this in a scene where it's very apparent he has his kids' personalities mixed up. Are you sure? I was referring to the episode where Hank and Vatred "kidnap" Rusty. Rusty was pretty clear about how Dean is into the whole super scientist stuff while Hank rejects it just like he did. Didn't seem like he got anything mixed up there.
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Jul 12, 2015 22:13
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pnumoman posted:Are you sure? I was referring to the episode where Hank and Vatred "kidnap" Rusty. "Dean believes this crap—he should have been 'Rusty Venture, Boy Adventurer!' Hank got this life thrown at him, and he fights against it. I see so much of myself in that boy that I want to apologize to him for his existence. He can't win—he's a Venture. He'll never shake it." It's written so seriously that I don't think it's meant to be a case of Venture mixing up his kids because he's a terrible father. I mean, they haven't pulled that since the first season, when the boys would occasionally mention something about him getting their names wrong. At this point in the series, Dean wants a normal life, so much so that the idea of going to public school is talked about like a magnificent dream. Then again, he's the first to head to the panic room, and he plays by all the rules of the genre: when to run, when to snoop around, when to scream for help, when to scream in fear, when to scream to break up a threesome that's developing right on top of him, etc. Whereas Dean grudgingly goes along with the lifestyle because he doesn't know what else to do, Hank is in love the lifestyle. He's the one who complains that they're not going on adventures all the time. He's the one who goes head-first into danger with courage he really shouldn't have, and he's the one who tries to join the official good-guy team so he can be a super-spy and take on supervillains. Conversely, Rusty at that age wanted friends his own age, and by the time he was Hank and Dean's age, he really wanted out of the game, except perhaps for the obvious benefits of being in the lifestyle: access to robots, wealth, fame, etc. The adventurer lifestyle traumatized Rusty, while Hank has taken it in stride. They are very different, and it makes that moment in the episode a little strange. I feel like it was meant to be a really serious moment, and I don't think they wanted to taint it with a "Doc is so terrible he doesn't know his own kids" joke. I think that monolog is just one of those things that looks good in paper and sounds great when you hear it, but if you tug on the thread, it falls apart. tarlibone fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jul 12, 2015 |
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Jul 12, 2015 23:00
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He actually is; he says that Hank, like him, rejects the (boy) adventurer life path, while Dean buys into and likes it. This is the inverse of reality, where Dean is growing to hate being pressed into adventures and super science, while Hank literally dresses up like a detective because it will make adventuring more fun.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:00
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RandallODim posted:He actually is; he says that Hank, like him, rejects the (boy) adventurer life path, while Dean buys into and likes it. This is the inverse of reality, where Dean is growing to hate being pressed into adventures and super science, while Hank literally dresses up like a detective because it will make adventuring more fun. I would agree that this is the current state of affairs, but in Season 4, it wasn't quite as clear that Dean hated the lifestyle. At least, I didn't get hate from him. He wouldn't truly rebel against adventuring until after he dropped the F-bomb on Outrider and became a man.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:06
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tarlibone posted:I would agree that this is the current state of affairs, but in Season 4, it wasn't quite as clear that Dean hated the lifestyle. At least, I didn't get hate from him. He wouldn't truly rebel against adventuring until after he dropped the F-bomb on Outrider and became a man. That's true, but he certainly hasn't been totally on-board even since he got his first speedsuit. And I at least remember the scene as have a pretty heavy vibe of 'Rusty gets it, but also doesn't'. I didnt see your post before making mine, but I'd say we agree that it's a scene that works better in concept than execution either way. Guess this is my cue to get back to rewatching the series!
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Jul 12, 2015 23:14
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Hank became a man when he had sex. Dean became a man when he learned that he was just the latest in a series of clone slugs inheriting the same stream of consciousness.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:21
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tarlibone posted:I would agree that this is the current state of affairs, but in Season 4, it wasn't quite as clear that Dean hated the lifestyle. At least, I didn't get hate from him. He wouldn't truly rebel against adventuring until after he dropped the F-bomb on Outrider and became a man. Yeah, that's my take on it as well. Dean hates the lifestyle now, but only because he now fully understands the cost. Hank, on the other hand, liked adventuring but never really wanted to be a Venture super scientist/follow in anyone's footsteps other than Brock's. He likes adventures because it's fun, and he was never asked to do the seriously horrible things Rusty was told to do on occasion. I'm sure Rusty liked some, if not most, of the adventures he went on as a kid. I mean, poo poo, he lived a boy's fantasy life, jetting across the world, solving mysteries, doing cool poo poo on the regular so much so there's a TV show of his childhood exploits. It's his dad and crew that really traumatised him, as they took turns emasculating him for cheap laughs, ignoring him to go party, and brutally taking his innocence by having him kill before he's a teenager. poo poo, Hank puked in the latest special when Brock snapped someone's neck in front of him; Rusty did a pretty good job preserving the boys' innocence, all told. Rusty hated his dad and didn't want to take up the Venture super scientist mantle; Dean was okay with doing so until fairly recently, while Hank always marched to the beat of his own drum. Maybe Rusty wished he was more like Hank, as opposed to truly seeing himself in Hank. Either way, I believe Rusty was wholly honest and did not mix up his kids during that monologue.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:27
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tarlibone posted:I feel like it was meant to be a really serious moment, and I don't think they wanted to taint it with a "Doc is so terrible he doesn't know his own kids" joke. I think that monolog is just one of those things that looks good in paper and sounds great when you hear it, but if you tug on the thread, it falls apart. tarlibone posted:I would agree that this is the current state of affairs, but in Season 4, it wasn't quite as clear that Dean hated the lifestyle. At least, I didn't get hate from him. He wouldn't truly rebel against adventuring until after he dropped the F-bomb on Outrider and became a man.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:30
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Brock made Hank kill at least one of the ghost pirates!
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Jul 12, 2015 23:31
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Sash! posted:Brock made Hank kill at least one of the ghost pirates! Psh, ghosts don't count, they're incorporeal. (Completely forgot about that)
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Jul 12, 2015 23:33
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I think people are putting more thought into this than anyone on the cast or crew of the show.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:34
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I think people are putting more thought into this than anyone on the cast or crew of the show. Given the amount of time they take to put out a season, I'm not so sure.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:37
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Sash! posted:Brock made Hank kill at least one of the ghost pirates! Actually, Brock wanted him to kill the ghost pirates, but when Hank asked if twisting the guy's neck (causing him to go ragdoll) would "... knock him out more," after a brief exchange, Brock had him tie them up instead. And he did, adding a nice bow. I'm pretty sure the only people who died were the fake ghost pirate, and the real ghost skeleton thing. Edit: Man... I need more Venture. Any word about that episode that supposedly was played at the SDCC? ... I just looked, and the only thing I could find says that it was just All This and Gargantua 2. tarlibone fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jul 12, 2015 |
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Jul 12, 2015 23:39
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X_Toad posted:The prog rock episode seemed to show a rather clear picture of Dean not really being into the whole super-science thing, only going along with it because he doesn't want to disappoint his father. The most recent season, however, made it seem that despite not really wanting to follow in those footsteps, Dean actually has an aptitude for super science.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:59
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tarlibone posted:Actually, Brock wanted him to kill the ghost pirates, but when Hank asked if twisting the guy's neck (causing him to go ragdoll) would "... knock him out more," after a brief exchange, Brock had him tie them up instead. And he did, adding a nice bow. I'm pretty sure the only people who died were the fake ghost pirate, and the real ghost skeleton thing. Don't forget the two pirates who were guarding Brock before... Brock provided a name for the show's fight song. Even if they weren't dead by the time he left the boat, they certainly were when he set it on fire. Angular Landbury posted:The most recent season, however, made it seem that despite not really wanting to follow in those footsteps, Dean actually has an aptitude for super science. Have we seen Dean do any superscience apart from fixing HELPER and doing shrinky-dinks?
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Jul 13, 2015 00:58
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Pope Guilty posted:Don't forget the two pirates who were guarding Brock before... Brock provided a name for the show's fight song. Even if they weren't dead by the time he left the boat, they certainly were when he set it on fire. Crap, you're right! I'm pretty sure they were dead before. I mean, I gathered as much from "... I told you what I'd do for one of these...." Time to watch the series again.
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Jul 13, 2015 01:21
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Pope Guilty posted:Don't forget the two pirates who were guarding Brock before... Brock provided a name for the show's fight song. Even if they weren't dead by the time he left the boat, they certainly were when he set it on fire. Actually I'm pretty sure we see at least one of those Pirates later working for Jonas Jr during the Museum episode
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Jul 13, 2015 02:46
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Jul 13, 2015 02:51
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PostNouveau posted:Killinger makes Hank kill one of the Venchmen THIS MAN STOLE FROM YOUR FATHER I love that line for some reason. Probably because of the accent.
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PostNouveau posted:Killinger makes Hank kill one of the Venchmen He says that he's got a PhD in child psychology, so...you know...whatever. Plus, he probably just had him cut off his hands or something.
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