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AdmiralViscen posted:It just strikes (or struck) me as a whole lot of running back and forth hitting X to either talk to a guy or hit a switch. I'd rather be finding items, earning AP, and finding new areas that aren't a series of blue hallways. While I think the more lighthearted and random encounter free, as long as you don't set the alarm off... I think anyway, missile base is a nice change from the pretty awful prison and a big improvement in every way. It doesn't help that your backtracking after running around identical floors for so long. Basically the prison scene is the nadir of the FF series as a whole. The smell of that section lingers around long after you've left the place.
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It is a lot of running around and talking to people, which is perfectly fine so long as you're not wasting time stabbing monsters every five steps. It's nice you don't gotta deal with a lotta bullshit and you can just run around and talk to folks and have a good time.
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I'm surprised they let you leave Garden after you enter and see the initial chaos + what Squall and co know. It's kind of silly you can just bounce and go dick around in town.
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ZevGun posted:I'm surprised they let you leave Garden after you enter and see the initial chaos + what Squall and co know. It's kind of silly you can just bounce and go dick around in town. "yeah this is a mess, i'll just wait until everyone is quarantineed. Don't want anyone stepping on my shoes. I'll be playing cards in the docks, see ya later"
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SpookyLizard posted:It is a lot of running around and talking to people, which is perfectly fine so long as you're not wasting time stabbing monsters every five steps. It's nice you don't gotta deal with a lotta bullshit and you can just run around and talk to folks and have a good time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txs-MnMiP2w (I know it was linked in the update, but how did we not talk about it?!) ZevGun posted:I'm surprised they let you leave Garden after you enter and see the initial chaos + what Squall and co know. It's kind of silly you can just bounce and go dick around in town. I know you weren't making some huge criticism of the game or anything, I just get crazy defensive because of the kind of people that say "the devs gave me too much freedom and it doesn't make sense! Why would Niko go on this rampage I made him do?!"
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VagueRant posted:"Why would Niko go on this rampage I made him do?!" The first time I went on a full on rampage in GTAIV, which ended in a shoot-out with the police inside a laundromat, Niko started shouting "I am having a very. BAD. DAY!" That game does not deserve criticism on this front.
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VagueRant posted:I know you weren't making some huge criticism of the game or anything, I just get crazy defensive because of the kind of people that say "the devs gave me too much freedom and it doesn't make sense! Why would Niko go on this rampage I made him do?!" It's more in all the times I've played this game I never once thought to try it. It's not a criticism as much as surprise on my part.
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I think a big problem with the prison section is it isn't just one run through. You're constantly having to go up and down the bloody thing. The twist that it can go underground is interesting but you could always do it a different way. Rinoa and Irving catch the guys going downstairs and say "Hey you can't get out the basement." Or Zell remembers from his time as Ward as it's still interesting to show the player that being sent back to Laguna and co affects both parties in terms of awareness and memories. You can then still have the sequence going over the bridge with the prison sinking.
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since i was in location i went to get one of the player cards and the loving plus rule was in effect and i lost 5 rare cards so i reloaded only to find i was in a location about 3 hours back FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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Zell is such a Poochie. "Whenever Zell's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Zell"?
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Cool Ghost posted:
To clarify, if you play a game with this dude then every single rule will be removed from Balamb immediately and without notification. The other seven card regions of the world are unaffected. Abolishing rules in region X involves carrying a set of rules from region Y, where Y has at least one rule X doesn't have. (Otherwise X says gently caress you, you don't have anything new to me, why would I deign to combine with your rules?) So the trickiest part of the rule abolishing process - besides the RNG nature - is finding an appropriate region Y that actually has something new. And preferably only one "something new" to optimize your odds of abolishing. Particularly as you're going around the world reducing one region after another to just Open (or whatever your preferred set of rules is). So the advantage to this dude is that you can use him in conjunction with the Queen of Cards when she's in Balamb, and always use Balamb as your region Y. Pay the Queen repeatedly to add rules, until she adds a rule X (whatever X you're loving with at the time) doesn't have. Pick up Balamb's new rules. Go clean up one or more rules from X. Go back to Balamb, use this dude to reset Balamb's rules to empty, and repeat as necessary. Similarly, Balamb never needs to be region X because this guy cleans it right up. If he's not present, leave the town all the way to the world map and re-enter, repeating until he shows up. Balamb's NPC population is somewhat RNG-based.
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Part Forty: Garden in Chaos We're finally back at the Garden, and we're ready to take care of whatever's happening. Let's ask this guy about it.  Wow, fine. I know when I'm not wanted.   At least I can get these sweet, sweet Cure spells.  This screen always gives you a shot of your party member's rear end. Too bad Zell's not here.   There's a lot of people running around Garden today.  Big game of tag.  What the gently caress are you talking about?  Good reaction.   : I don't understand what you're talking about.Garden Faculty: Do you swear your allegiance to Garden Master NORG?  Garden Master NORG is a name we've seen before, in the "About Garden" section of the infobank at the start of the game. He's the proprietor of the Garden. We get to make a choice about our allegiance here.  I don't want to lie to him. It would be bad manners. : Can you tell me what's going on?What a polite boy. Garden Faculty: I'm the one asking questions! You're just supposed to follow orders! Hey! What kind of attitude is that!? You're with Cid, aren't you!?   This guy really hates having to explain himself, so he summons some monsters to attack us.  Sounds like the administration's got a problem with Cid.  The guy teleports away after that, leaving his monsters to fight us. Unfortunately for him, he chose a Grat and a Caterchipillar. If you choose to swear fealty to NORG, you get this instead (this choice doesn't really affect anything):    Whatever problem NORG is having with Cid, it seems to be pretty serious business. Couldn't have chosen a worse time, though.  Anyway, back to the runaround.  Since the gate attendant isn't here, you can go in and out through whichever gates you want.  It's the little things in life.  You might also notice that I've gained two SeeD ranks. If you make it through the missile base without getting caught, then set the timer at 10 minutes, you get a free two levels.  Over by the directory, you can see Fujin and Raijin.  At least Raijin seems pleased enough to see us. : What's going on here?Raijin: I dunno. At first, they were sayin' somethin' 'bout roundin' up the SeeDs, ya know!? Now, everyone's either sidin' with the Garden Master or the headmaster and fightin' everywhere, ya know!?  What a pain in the rear end.  : Why are SeeDs being targeted? And where's the headmaster? Is he safe?As important as our news is, this whole situation is also important. Besides, we need to know where Cid is so we can tell him everyone's about to be killed. Raijin: We got no clue. : We need to see him right away. It's important. Squall makes a dramatic sweep with his arm here, but that text box ends in a period.     Fujin and Raijin may be known associates of the bully Seifer, but the Garden is still their home. : We'll go look for the headmaster. This is also a neat little thing. Fujin doesn't like Squall, but she's still advising caution. Petty personal squabbles are put aside for the greater good. Raijin: Yeah, the fighin' is intense everywhere! And watch out for those Garden Master goons, ya know!   I think they're being flippant here.   Either they're being flippant or they're just stiltedly setting this up. Take your pick.  And so, Fujin and Raijin run off.  This is a pretty important question, given what just happened. We know they care about the Garden, but Seifer's the reason those missiles are coming. Guess we'll just have to watch and see how it falls.  Naturally, with all the chaos going on, we can't fast travel.  The save point is also gone.  And, while you're running around, there are random encounters.  If we're looking for the headmaster, let's just give his office a quick check.   Or not. I guess the guys who're trying to kill him probably looked there already anyway. So let's get searchin'.  There's a little something going on in every room on the first floor.   This one involves people fighting other people.   Let's give those guys a hand. : Let's get in there! Remember this enemy? It was the lovely boss after the SeeD exam.  Yeah, SeeDs at Garden. What a surprise.   Rinoa has poo poo for Strength right now.  The enemy still sucks, so it's not a problem to take it out.  And it still drops Wizard Stones. That's 20 free spells.   Looks like one of NORG's guys got hurt during the fracas.    Kadowaki is a doctor.  I like that she asks Squall before either of those no-name SeeDs right next to her.  This is a good response to whatever's going on. Dr. Kadowaki: You're looking for Cid? As you can see, he's not here. : Do you have any idea?Dr. Kadowaki: Hmm... Xu might know. I have no idea where she is though. Xu's official position isn't really discussed, but she seems to be important. Dr. Kadowaki: Why are you looking for him anyway?  Squall is always so drat dramatic about the missiles. : You should get out of here, too.   Kadowaki is very dedicated to her job.   Also, since we helped those guys out earlier, we get an Elixir from her.  I can't think of a better time.   Yeah, I can tell.  Out in the hallway, one of the SeeDs recognises Squall.  Squall doesn't return the favour.   Wait a second...  ...You're the guy who pissed himself, right?   Fun fact: I always forget that Nida is a guy.   There's nothing else to do in the infirmary now.  Let's hit the quad.  Seems like things aren't going so well for the Faculty here.  This is just rude as hell.   And his monsters are poo poo, anyway.  While I'm running around, I set Kate Bush to learn Move-Find, which makes hidden Draw Points/save points visible (this isn't really that great).  And I set Booyakaga to learn Mug, which lets you steal from enemies at the same time as attacking. It's got its uses, but it takes a long time to learn (200 AP is a lot!).   The quad seems like it's in pretty good shape.   I guess the faculty's been hassling these guys enough that they decided to hide.  If you say this, the guy will give you an item. : I'm with the headmaster.SeeD: That's what I thought. Who's this Garden Master anyway? Even though NORG's name is out there for people to see, it seems like people around the place don't know much about him or what he does. I wonder why he's suddenly broken the silence.  True battle for SeeD?    This is our reward for coming here. X-Potions fully restore a character's HP - not bad in a pinch.   Seems as good a place as any. Good luck.  Next stop is the cafeteria.  Of course, some Garden Faculty rear end in a top hat is gonna give us trouble.   He's all showy on the field map, but he knows this Bomb can't stop us.  No prob.    Sounds like things aren't really going that well for the SeeDs. SeeD: Brilliant, huh? It wasn't our idea though.  : Who came up with it?SeeD: Xu. She took charge immediately when this whole thing began. At least someone did. Cid would probably be dead already if she hadn't.   We're halfway through the floor and still no closer to Cid.   Gysahl Greens are good for something we'll see later. It has to do with chocobos.   There's nothing going on in the seating area, so we're done with the cafeteria.  Let's go grab a nap.    At least we get a chance to recover after that gruelling battle.  Fuckin'...might as well.  Oh, blow me.  Grendel is one of the toughest enemies we'll face during this sequence, but it's still not that big a deal.  Son of a bitch.   As soon as we see him, Cid starts to flicker and fade. : What the...?SeeD: It was just a hologram. Pretty cool, huh?  The hologram was so nice that we got paid 10,000 gil just for looking at it.   Tents aren't really useful for their intended purpose in this game.  Time to go, then.  We've almost gone all the way around by now.   Look, more Garden Master guys.   "Junior classmen" means children.  Let's go.    That might not be a great idea, kid.   The kid gives this piece of poo poo guy a quick kick in the shins.    The kid was pretty gutsy, but I think it's about time to step in.    The cadet isn't so tough when someone serious shows up.  Of course, the Garden Faculty only understands one interaction with SeeDs.  T-Rexaur is the biggest enemy we're going to see today.   As always, ice magic is advisable.  And I turn it into a card, for old times' sake.    The SeeD we rescued is grateful enough to give us a Remedy.   The junior classmen, being children, don't have any gifts for us.  There's no point to going into the training area proper, but if you do, you can see that you can't go back to the secret area.  You can, though, find this guy.   He runs a little item shop, with the same name as the guy from the D-District Prison. Might be the same guy, I guess.   Challenging him to cards gets you this. We'll come back to it later.  For now, let's go do some reading.   A faculty member is here, naturally.  Get a new line, buddy.  The wrath of that Grat?  Wow, yeah, how am I gonna make it?    Those guys must be saving the good monsters for the NPCs.  Any good books, though?  Well, good for you.   This cadet didn't have a face when we were talking to the other one. Now Rinoa doesn't have a face. Lotta face problems today.   Fun fact: the library has a different scene if you bring Zell along.   The item's slightly better, but in exchange, you have to bring Zell with you, which I never do. Anyway, back to our regularly-scheduled program.  No one's in the back.   The Draw Point's still here, though.  We've gone all the way around at this point.  But there's a break in the case.    Better follow her.   Fun fact: the battle background for the second floor is different from the first.  Around the corner, we catch up to Xu. Don't know why she came here.  Xu's pretty on edge. Our news is very important, yes, but the whole deal with the administration trying to kill SeeDs is pretty high up there, too. : Neither. We have urgent news. We need to see the headmaster now. Where is he? It's nice to see Quistis get a line here if you bring her. : There's no more time to waste. Xu relaxes from her fighting pose here. Xu: I'm listening...   This is just the last thing Xu needs today. Xu: Alright. I'll inform him right away. : Where is he?Xu: In his office. We made it look like he's hiding, but he's been there all along. Goddammit.     Thanks, Xu.  Probably a good idea.  She just says this again if you talk to her.  Finally. Cool Ghost fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Nov 3, 2015 |
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I love how determined this guys is to get the kids. Every other faculty is looking for Cid, but this guy sends a goddamn Tyrannosaurus kill 2 children.
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Pretty weird that Squall would forget the name and face of one of the four people he graduated with. What's up with that?
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Fister Roboto posted:Pretty weird that Squall would forget the name and face of one of the four people he graduated with. What's up with that? I don't remember most of the people I went to high school with. It's like whatever, ya know?
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Fister Roboto posted:Pretty weird that Squall would forget the name and face of one of the four people he graduated with. What's up with that? Whatever.
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This whole sequence is just so dumb. Can't get into most of it yet without spoilers, but this "Garden Master NORG" is so inconsequential that many of the students don't even know he exists. And yet apparently a lot of the students are willing to "side with" him and murder their classmates and children over some guy they don't even know? What? The SeeD's brilliant plan to hide the headmaster is to just gather together and barricade various places? How is that any different from what people would normally do when weirdos are siccing monsters on them? That's not even a real plan! And, of course, the fact that the NORG followers didn't even check Cid's office is... just... 
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Yeah I'm very curious to see if the thread can help me to make sense of what comes next, because my last playthrough left me saying "Uhhh, alright..."
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Fister Roboto posted:Pretty weird that Squall would forget the name and face of one of the four people he graduated with. What's up with that? It's a meta-joke; Nida doesn't have a name when he graduates. His model is generic, too. Schwartzcough posted:This whole sequence is just so dumb. Can't get into most of it yet without spoilers, but this "Garden Master NORG" is so inconsequential that many of the students don't even know he exists. And yet apparently a lot of the students are willing to "side with" him and murder their classmates and children over some guy they don't even know? What? We'll get more into my read of this situation once it wraps up, but I don't think it's as nonsensical as it first seems.
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It helps to remember that Cid has sent us on some sketchy missions such as 'Liberate Timber from Galbadia with only three SeeD's and a plucky resistance group in way over their heads' and 'Assassinate a Sorceress with a really obtuse plan, a sniper of questionable caliber and her being able to glamour/mind control an entire city into a fervor.' That probably has something to do with the falling out between Cid and NORG.
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Cool Ghost posted:It's a meta-joke; Nida doesn't have a name when he graduates. His model is generic, too. Didn't Cid even specifically tell Nida that he doesn't stand out, and that's okay?
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So if you bring Zell along for this part, you'll actually get a few better items; the library gives you a Mega-Potion instead, for instance. I believe you can also find the guard at the gate, who'll throw you an item as well. In addition, you get a cute scene at the cafeteria where they offer up any surplus hot dogs (to Zell's delight), only to find out they ran out again. It's also implied that not helping any parts will result in the deaths of those you don't help (with the exception of Nida, Kadowaki and the kids). You can also actually skip some fights, like the Quad, with no penalty (you still have to check them for Cid's lack of presence, however).
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No joke, I once cosplayed as Nida.
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Keromaru5 posted:No joke, I once cosplayed as Nida. That is awesome. I assume no one recognized you? 
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"Nie da" in German means "never there", which amused me a lot when playing this.
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Also another one of final fantasy's regular Star Wars references
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Good to see the hot dogs are well-protected during this tumultuous time.
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Schwartzcough posted:This whole sequence is just so dumb. Can't get into most of it yet without spoilers, but this "Garden Master NORG" is so inconsequential that many of the students don't even know he exists. And yet apparently a lot of the students are willing to "side with" him and murder their classmates and children over some guy they don't even know? What? They may not know NORG, but I'm assuming some kids related more to the Garden administrators with the yellow hats (who would know NORG) than they did with Cid, who might not have been as hands-on with the average student as he was with our heroes. Or maybe the pro-NORG people are ones Cid had flunked and the administrators were promising them a reversal of fortunes. I don't think it's too much of a stretch.
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mr. stefan posted:Also another one of final fantasy's regular Star Wars references Apology accepted.
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ApplesandOranges posted:It's also implied that not helping any parts will result in the deaths of those you don't help (with the exception of Nida, Kadowaki and the kids). You can also actually skip some fights, like the Quad, with no penalty (you still have to check them for Cid's lack of presence, however). Are you sure the kids don't die? I recall skipping the T-Rexaur fight once and I didn't see them. But this was a long time ago. AdmiralViscen posted:They may not know NORG, but I'm assuming some kids related more to the Garden administrators with the yellow hats (who would know NORG) than they did with Cid, who might not have been as hands-on with the average student as he was with our heroes. Or maybe the pro-NORG people are ones Cid had flunked and the administrators were promising them a reversal of fortunes. I don't think it's too much of a stretch. So it's less about being Pro-NORG and more about being Anti-Cid. That has certainly been the foundation for revolutions and civil wars in the past. I support Anti-Cid. NORG Was Right. Also can I just say how bullshit it is that the game gives you the "I'm with the headmaster/I'm with the Garden Master" choice when you talk to the SeeDs in the Quad but if you choose the "I'm with the Garden Master's faction" option all that happens is Squall follows up with some lame line "...that is what I would say to deceive the enemy!" Stop railroading me game. Maybe I want to side with the Garden Master. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jul 12, 2015 |
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Cid hiding in his office is so absurd, it would be played in a completely comical way in FF7 and 9 but you get the feeling that they thought they were being smart with that thing in 8.NikkolasKing posted:
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Mans posted:Cid hiding in his office is so absurd, it would be played in a completely comical way in FF7 and 9 but you get the feeling that they thought they were being smart with that thing in 8.
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AdmiralViscen posted:They may not know NORG, but I'm assuming some kids related more to the Garden administrators with the yellow hats (who would know NORG) than they did with Cid, who might not have been as hands-on with the average student as he was with our heroes. Or maybe the pro-NORG people are ones Cid had flunked and the administrators were promising them a reversal of fortunes. I don't think it's too much of a stretch. Given most were cadets, I'm inclined to believe that.
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Simply Simon posted:It's the last place anyone would look!!!!!!!!! Yes. Because once they looked there, they'd be done. Because they would have found Cid. They would not look in any places after.
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Maybe they did look there first but he was hiding under the desk and they only kinda glanced in, saw no one standing or sitting about, and went of to search elsewhere.
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NikkolasKing posted:Maybe they did look there first but he was hiding under the desk and they only kinda glanced in, saw no one standing or sitting about, and went of to search elsewhere. That was my assumption. They looked in, saw nobody, and assumed "drat, the coward already ran. Find him!" That, or he hid somewhere else at first and went back to his office after they searched it.
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I do not understand why Squall doesn't warn every group he encounters about the missiles. There's no guarantee he'll be able to find Cid before the missiles hit, so I'd expect since he's seeing so many people face to face, he might as well let them know too. Better to save a few lives than none. Whether they decide it's more important to maintain the illusion of hiding Cid, or evacuate and save their own lives, the sooner they know and are able to decide that, the better. But instead he only tells Fujin, Raijin, and Kadowaki? And after everyone is giving us all this free poo poo, too? Rude, Squall. I guess Fujin and Raijin said they'd do their part to warn everybody, too... but even then. As long as we're pausing to get info & items from all these people, it doesn't seem like one "By the way, there are missiles targeting this place, better scram" would be too unreasonable.
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NikkolasKing posted:Maybe they did look there first but he was hiding under the desk and they only kinda glanced in, saw no one standing or sitting about, and went of to search elsewhere.
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inverts posted:I do not understand why Squall doesn't warn every group he encounters about the missiles. There's no guarantee he'll be able to find Cid before the missiles hit, so I'd expect since he's seeing so many people face to face, he might as well let them know too. Better to save a few lives than none. Whether they decide it's more important to maintain the illusion of hiding Cid, or evacuate and save their own lives, the sooner they know and are able to decide that, the better. But instead he only tells Fujin, Raijin, and Kadowaki? And after everyone is giving us all this free poo poo, too? Rude, Squall. It'd be like a game of Telephone, where information would get distorted down the line. "Galbadian missiles are coming, evacuate now." "The Galbadian army is coming, get ready for combat and evacuate if needed." "The Galbadian Annual Marching Band is coming, hide the hot dogs." By entrusting the information to a few people in authority (Fujin, Raijin, Xu), they can disseminate the information to a large crowd as efficiently as possible.
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