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stringball
Mar 17, 2009

People that are the Enriques of the low wage world in america are almost universally the nicest people and the hardest working, you'll know what I'm talking about if you live in a mexico border state and worked low wage jobs

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thewireguy
Jul 2, 2013

stringball posted:

People that are the Enriques of the low wage world in america are almost universally the nicest people and the hardest working, you'll know what I'm talking about if you live in a mexico border state and worked low wage jobs

Humility. Don't be an rear end in a top hat everybody, or assume people are dumb because they speak broken English. We are all human.

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!
Also some people do speak functional if not perfect English, but know feigning "no ingles" when people are being assholes gets the jerks to go away faster.

I used to work in a grocery store and some of the other cashiers would complain that "all these illegals can't speak English". These are the same people who sighed dramatically when helping a Latin customer and acted like touching WIC checks was disgusting.

The same customers would speak English with me because I was nice to them and helped them get the right stuff if they had WIC.

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD

pienipple posted:

Also some people do speak functional if not perfect English, but know feigning "no ingles" when people are being assholes gets the jerks to go away faster.

I used to work in a grocery store and some of the other cashiers would complain that "all these illegals can't speak English". These are the same people who sighed dramatically when helping a Latin customer and acted like touching WIC checks was disgusting.

The same customers would speak English with me because I was nice to them and helped them get the right stuff if they had WIC.

It kind of reminds me of the waiters/waitresses who complain that black people never tip, so they don't "waste time" giving black customers decent service, so they get a lovely tip from them, and the cycle continues.

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RenegadeStyle1
Jun 7, 2005

Baby Come Back
Please someone just make an itemized list of how Americans do things and how Europeans do things and note which one is the bad one.

bucketmouse
Aug 16, 2004

we con-trol the ho-ri-zon-tal
we con-trol the verrr-ti-cal
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Somebody has a new favorite as of 18:21 on Jul 13, 2015

Mr. Gibbycrumbles
Aug 30, 2004

Do you think your paladin sword can defeat me?

En garde, I'll let you try my Wu-Tang style

bucketmouse posted:

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Nothing like the sweet tangy kick of Mercury poisoning.

Bonus goatse at the bottom?

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

Nothing like the sweet tangy kick of Mercury poisoning.

Bonus goatse at the bottom?

Also the whole "Kick a Ginger" thing

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

CommonShore posted:

Also the whole "Kick a Ginger" thing

Elaborate.

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

Enrique-chat is the funniest thing in this whole thread, gently caress tha haterz

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



There was some controversy a year or two back about a social-media driven South Park inspired "Kick a Ginger Day." It caused some problems, mostly involving idiotic teenagers.

Looks like it's still going.

http://kick-a-ginger-day.com/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10387636/Kick-a-Ginger-Kid-Day-leads-to-attacks-on-schoolchildren.html

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


CommonShore posted:

There was some controversy a year or two back about a social-media driven South Park inspired "Kick a Ginger Day." It caused some problems, mostly involving idiotic teenagers.

Looks like it's still going.

http://kick-a-ginger-day.com/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10387636/Kick-a-Ginger-Kid-Day-leads-to-attacks-on-schoolchildren.html

A few months ago we were waiting in line at a restaurant and had to listen to this person in line talking about how "once a year everyone in the school would just beat the poo poo out of the one ginger there. Our senior year we managed to break a couple bones." and it was just awful.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp
I've heard that while in the US, anti-ginger prejudice is a dumb fake thing inspired by South Park, it's a real thing in the UK and kids are genuinely bullied for it. Accurate?

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
I never saw it when I was growing up (mostly because there weren't any redheads in my year at school) but I gather it can get pretty bad.

Don't support the prejudice.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room
I bought a purse today. Fake leather, which I normally don't do, but it was cheap and cute, so I figured what the hell. There were tags attached proclaiming it to be Vegan! and BPA-free! Good to know if I ever get realllllly hungry, I guess.













*I know that some people won't buy things made with animal products, and it's nice that they have options other than terrible hippie clothes and that ol' Freckles got a reprieve from the glue factory. Still, it kind of struck me as similar to when companies slap a gluten-free label on something that never contained gluten in the first place.

Irisi
Feb 18, 2009

pookel posted:

I've heard that while in the US, anti-ginger prejudice is a dumb fake thing inspired by South Park, it's a real thing in the UK and kids are genuinely bullied for it. Accurate?

Yup. My younger sister and cousins (all with those flaming red corkscrew curls of the type the girl had in Pixars Brave) were subjected to dogs abuse through high school here in Scotland. Mostly verbal, but pretty much constant throughout their school careers.

The worse episode was when my 12 year old sister was pinned down in the toilets by three 15 year old girls while a fourth ground pieces of chewing gum into her hair with the heel of her shoe, while they all laughed at how they were "giving her a makeover". :(

She's been dying her hair since she was a teenager, but one of her kids has got red hair. We find the jokes both friends and strangers make about how unfortunate the baby was to inherit her hair quite loving offensive. (Especially when someone gave her a card with the slogan "Nobody loves a ginger baby" on it to celebrate her birthday. What kind of card company thinks that's a good idea?)

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Yeah, it does get surprisingly really loving serious in the UK.

My friend, whose natural hair colour is beyond the point of being "ginger" and is straight-up ORANGE, routinely shaves his head bald, just because if he doesn't, complete strangers will give him abuse.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Yeah, even as a kid in Canada I was faced with a perpetual stream of "redheads are always late" and "redheads have bad tempers..."

The latter became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!

pookel posted:

I've heard that while in the US, anti-ginger prejudice is a dumb fake thing inspired by South Park, it's a real thing in the UK and kids are genuinely bullied for it. Accurate?

I'm american and had never even heard of people being called "ginger" until the South Park thing. How virulent it is in the UK just boggles my mind.

I never got how ginger became associated with red hair. The skin of ginger root is brown, the root flesh is pale yellow/tan, and turns pink over time when pickled.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

bucketmouse posted:

aaaag post content



Ah mercury, sweetest of the transition metals.

Captainsalami
Apr 16, 2010

I told you you'd pay!
Was waiting for someone to quote that.

Anticheese
Feb 13, 2008

$60,000,000 sexbot
:rodimus:

The Lone Badger posted:

Ah mercury, sweetest of the transition metals.

I love this forum sometimes.

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


pienipple posted:

I'm american and had never even heard of people being called "ginger" until the South Park thing. How virulent it is in the UK just boggles my mind.

I never got how ginger became associated with red hair. The skin of ginger root is brown, the root flesh is pale yellow/tan, and turns pink over time when pickled.

Ginger tea tinges from pinkish to orangey-red and has been a thing for over a thousand years. That'd be my guess.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
No so much a marketing disaster as much as "Would have been a marketing disaster if it had gotten made"

So, it's the late 1990s and someone at Warner Brothers thought this was a good idea.


http://comicsalliance.com/batman-musical-2/

quote:

...Another super-musical that never got staged might just have been the best one ever…”Batman: The Musical,” a rock opera featuring songs by longtime Meat Loaf songwriter Jim Steinman and scriptwriter David Ive, and possibly going to be directed by Tim Burton — more on that bit later.Why do a musical about Batman? Well, you can’t argue that there’s isn’t something suitably operatic about Batman’s origin and methods. After all, Phantom of the Opera definitely proved that caped singers can bring in tons of both awards and cash. Spurred on by that and the success of the Broadway adaptations of “The Lion King” and “Beauty and Beast,” Warner Brothers started a division to develop new Broadway musicals based on their properties, starting with Batman. Warner Brothers apparently first approached screenwriter Larry Gelbart (best known for creating the TV version of “M*A*S*H*”) to write the musical, but he turned it down.

They next hired Jim Steinman to write the songs, who is best known for writing the Meat Loaf albums “Bat Out of Hell,” “Bat Out Of Hell II: Back Into Hell,” as well as Bonnie Tyler’s “Total Eclipse of the Heart” and Air Supply’s “Making Love Out Of Nothing At All. For the book, they got playwright David Ives, who had done musical adaptations of “The Secret Garden” and David Copperfield’s magic show “Dreams and Nightmares.”

There are conflicting reports on whether Tim Burton was going to direct the show; several newsources back in 2002 reported that Steinman had said Burton was had signed on to direct, but Burton was quoted in 2008 as saying that when they asked him to direct it, he thought “‘Oh no — Batman On Ice!’” which isn’t the most enthusiastic response.

What was the plot going to be? The show’s book has never been released and all we have are demo versions of some of the songs and this quick summary from Jim Steinman’s blog:

"In CATWOMAN: Selena Kyle, aka Catwoman secretly, was A WITNESS to the murder of Bruce Wayne’s parents. A street urchin who happened to see it all, hidden away. The brutal murders haunt both Bruce and Selena. But both respond totally differently to their traumatic bruising. Bruce learns to vow REVENGE and becomes the avenging knight, BATMAN. But Selena is mostly mentally scarred by realizing how easily things that are precious can be taken from you. (Mrs. Wayne’s pearl necklace is ripped from her throat.) So Selena grows up, CRAVING precious jewels, & obessed with HOLDING ONTO THEM! (She never wears them outside, shes a plain mousy woman, but she hoards them in chests.) Only when she transforms into CATWOMAN are her love of danger & lust for precious jewels & “crime” what dominates her. Its the secret total possession of them that drives her, not the public display.

So both “witnesses” to the crime of the Wayne’s horrific murder by Joker has mutated two little “observers”: Bruce became Batman, Selena became CATWOMAN. Two little “lost” children have mutated thru their own complex reactions to a numbing loss, and in fact fall in love, with a dark, somewhat “kinky” S&M like undertow. This is new to the Batman world.

Catwoman sings her song alone in a jewelry store, an orgiastic revel in the glinting glittering jewels, piled up around her. She smashes glass cases and dances as erotically as Salome with the severed head of John the Baptist. I think you’ll recognize my best use of the “chorus” here”: “I NEED ALL THE LOVE I CAN GET AND I NEED ALL THE LOVE THAT I CANT GET TO(O)”

Then, at the end of BATMAN, under the fiery ruins of an elevated train & track, fighting ferociously with Joker, Catwoman & Batman unite. And in the battle, Catwoman is mortally wounded, “saving” Batman’s life heroically. In a climactic elegiac song, BATMAN, holding the dying Catwoman in his arms, sings “We’re Still The Children We Once Were”, along with the expiring Catwoman, AND with THEMSELVES as the little kids who saw the murder. It forms a hopefully thrilling, tragic quartet: Bruce as an orphan, Selena as a terrified urchin, BATMAN, as a heartshattered avenger, and CATWOMAN as a dying doomed hero. A spine tingling quartet. Batmans final act of gruesome revenge still awaits. But this is the operatic finale."



So, what happened to it? An official reason for its cancellation was never given, but many point to the failure of Steinman’s musical “Dance Of The Vampires,” an adaptation of Roman Polanski’s “The Fearless Vampire Killers” which was popular in Germany, but closed on Broadway after only 56 performances. (Incidentally, David Ives adapted and rewrote the script from the original German.)

After that, the show faded into obscurity, although parts of it surfaced in other projects. Meat Loaf released a version “In The Land Of The Pig, The Butcher Is King” on his album “Bat Out Of Hell III: The Monster Is Loose” (although, as Steinman points out on his blog, Meat Loaf repeatedly kept mistakenly singing the “Land Of The Pigs” on the track). On the same album is “Cry To Heaven,” which features part of “Angels Arise.” The band Dream Engine (created by Jim Steinman and Steven Rinkoff) has covered “Angels Arise” and “We’re Still the Children We Once Were” in live performances, but haven’t released a CD yet (you can hear samples on their Myspace page.) And reportedly, some of the songs may be reused in an upcoming “Bat Out Of Hell” musical, so at least one Bat might make it to the stage.



You can hear some of the songs here, a mixture of demos and fan made versions. (I unironically like them)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwIvtlbEmiKgVPuarwUl-oW8cSidNLIvn

Fansite with more info here.

http://www.freewebs.com/batman_themusical/home.htm

Ape Has Killed Ape
Sep 15, 2005

LoonShia posted:

Hey, man, I'm just exercising the 2nd Amendment.

Look when the Founding Fathers wrote that they never imagined mechanical bear arms.

Zamboni Rodeo
Jul 19, 2007

NEVER play "Lady of Spain" AGAIN!




pienipple posted:

I'm american and had never even heard of people being called "ginger" until the South Park thing. How virulent it is in the UK just boggles my mind.

I never got how ginger became associated with red hair. The skin of ginger root is brown, the root flesh is pale yellow/tan, and turns pink over time when pickled.

Speaking as a redhead, I've got pale skin and I turn pink over time in the sun, so... :shrug:

Anyway, I do not wish (nor have I ever wished) to have any other hair color. Redheads are awesome and everyone should be one. Or at least be friends with one.

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer
Yeah, the whole "redheads as a persecuted minority" thing is super weird having grown up in the US.

Mostly we just wanted to gently caress them, as being lame rear end goth kids in the 90s, pale skin was a very desirable trait.

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


Nckdictator posted:

So, what happened to it? An official reason for its cancellation was never given, but many point to the failure of Steinman’s musical “Dance Of The Vampires,” an adaptation of Roman Polanski’s “The Fearless Vampire Killers” which was popular in Germany, but closed on Broadway after only 56 performances. (Incidentally, David Ives adapted and rewrote the script from the original German.)

Semi-related, but this is amazing, and more people need to be aware of German Operatic Vampire Total Eclipse of the Heart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8izyFn77BE

If Batman the Musical was going to end up anything like this, we have been robbed.

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Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Gingers are really hot, what the gently caress.

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



pienipple posted:

I'm american and had never even heard of people being called "ginger" until the South Park thing. How virulent it is in the UK just boggles my mind.

I never got how ginger became associated with red hair. The skin of ginger root is brown, the root flesh is pale yellow/tan, and turns pink over time when pickled.

Ginger has red flowers. I"m a ginger who grew up in the US and people did try to bully me for it a little growing up. Nothing too bad, though.

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av
On ginger hate: https://vimeo.com/11219730 (graphic violence and probably :nws:)

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

It is so weird to see the US on the genuinely progressive side of prejudice, but gently caress it there we are.

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

mind the walrus posted:

It is so weird to see the US on the genuinely progressive side of prejudice, but gently caress it there we are.

Who cares about gingers when there are black guys out there not being shot by cops?

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

loves Fat Philippe
It's a thing here because white kids need a way to be racist when there aren't enough brown kids around.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Slime posted:

Who cares about gingers when there are black guys out there not being shot by cops?

There are black guys out there and they're not being shot by cops!? :911:

Chas McGill posted:

It's a thing here because white kids need a way to be racist when there aren't enough brown kids around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQAmdZvKf6M

We know :smug:

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

pookel posted:

I've heard that while in the US, anti-ginger prejudice is a dumb fake thing inspired by South Park, it's a real thing in the UK and kids are genuinely bullied for it. Accurate?

Massive speculation here but possibly something to do with leftover prejudice against the Irish and Scottish. Your stereotypical paddy is always depicted as ginner. Either that or it's because kids are nasty little bastards and we didn't have as many minority kids to pick on in the eighties.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


darkwasthenight posted:

Massive speculation here but possibly something to do with leftover prejudice against the Irish and Scottish. Your stereotypical paddy is always depicted as ginner. Either that or it's because kids are nasty little bastards and we didn't have as many minority kids to pick on in the eighties.

No, that's pretty much it. It sticks around because it's ok because it's not "technically" sexism, racism, or homophobia, which are the "bad" prejudices. I've told people to go gently caress themselves when I've gotten a comment like that, and usually the response is something like "god, we're just joking around? Why are you so serious? God, gingers have such bad tempers, god, just joking around."

A Man and his dog
Oct 24, 2013

by R. Guyovich
Some of the best sex I've had is with redheaded women. They are freaks in the sheets.


:dance:

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp
Yeah, in the US I would guess red is the #1 desirable hair color for girls. Look at the women's hair dye aisle and like 50% of them will be some version of red.

I hadn't heard of "ginger" as a thing until South Park, either.

Edit: And at the time, I thought South Park invented it, as a "let's pick the most ludicrous possible target of racial prejudice to show how stupid discrimination is" sort of thing.

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