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even if the new book does come out the show has already gone ahead and out-shitted storylines that'll surely take hundreds of pages to bother with, it'll be worse than AFFC and ADWD in the "nothing happens" bandwagon. GRRM has already intimated that Tyrion and Dany don't get together until maybe the very end of the book, so no progress on that end, and we'll be stuck with several dozen chapters of Stannis loving off, screwing up, and then sacrificing his daughter when we all know he's going to die anyway. Not to mention the Aegon red herring that will derail story or who knows how long but we know doesn't amount to anything because he doesn't even show up in the show. the amount of actual, real, progress may be, like, nil. let the bitterness flow through you.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I think I have the Game of Thrones rulebook (the Swords and Sorcery one, not the stuff Green Ronin(?) is currently doing). Is it actually wroth much? I got it for free. There's a theory going around that Jon feels super cold right at the end because the Others showed up as the Watch betrayed itself. It would be hilarious if the Watch/Wildling fight gets pre-empted by the zombie horde.
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he probably feels cold because all of the blood is draining out of his body, as he got stabbed a bunch of times
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Jul 13, 2015 06:12
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jsoh posted:he probably feels cold because all of the blood is draining out of his body, as he got stabbed a bunch of times It's a really stupid theory.
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Jul 13, 2015 06:23
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bartlebyshop posted:There's a theory going around that Jon feels super cold right at the end because the Others showed up as the Watch betrayed itself. It would be hilarious if the Watch/Wildling fight gets pre-empted by the zombie horde. That's... uh... bartlebyshop posted:It's a really stupid theory. Yeah this. Gonna be great when they get fully underway filming the next season since every day Kit Harrington isn't on set will add to the "Jon is dead for good" fire. Though if he's really dead for good and I was running the show I'd have him come by for a day and maybe try on some NW outfits while talking to the actors. gently caress with people even more than the Benjen stuff in that episode.
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Jul 13, 2015 06:46
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jsoh posted:he probably feels cold because all of the blood is draining out of his body, as he got stabbed a bunch of times I also heard it was cold at the wall
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So who exactly are the editors on these books? I recall googling them a few times and not finding dick, which would be appropriate I suppose.
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Jul 13, 2015 07:14
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kcroy posted:I also heard it was cold at the wall and it's a huge cliche in movies and TV to say "I feel cold" as you go into shock and die bad theory, bad
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Jul 13, 2015 07:27
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mind the walrus posted:So who exactly are the editors on these books? I recall googling them a few times and not finding dick, which would be appropriate I suppose. It's some lady whose name I don't remember but her input is incredibly minimal, someone went to the library that hosts the original ASOIAF manuscripts and scanned the books where they had interesting footnotes written by GURM or his editor and every single suggestion she's made was bluntly overruled by gurm, like she counted all the instances of his usage of 'words are wind' and noted that he used it like 20 times and he should perhaps remove some and next to her comment gurm simply wrote 'NO'. Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2rtcaa/i_went_to_the_cushing_library_and_went_through/
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Jul 13, 2015 07:28
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syscall girl posted:and it's a huge cliche in movies and TV to say "I feel cold" as you go into shock and die he is playing with the trope yo!
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Jul 13, 2015 09:30
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Countdown to "he's subverting our expectations by playing to our expectations" as a cop-out for him not knowing what the gently caress else to do and tying up the story as quick as possible. It's coming right behind "it's about the journey, not the destination."
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Jul 13, 2015 09:44
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can someone please explain how GRRM has ever subverted any tropes? seems like something fantasy nerds who have never read anything good say.
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Jul 13, 2015 12:36
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The first book is pretty big about the whole "protagonists makes plans, plans fail, protagonist either dies or tries to have sex with her comatose husband" thing. There's also that thing where every time two starks are meant to be reunited one or more of them dies instead.
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TommyGun85 posted:can someone please explain how GRRM has ever subverted any tropes? Everyone thought Ned was the main character. Because most books have main characters. Then he died! I know I was surprised when I first read it in the late 90s.
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Jul 13, 2015 12:49
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TommyGun85 posted:can someone please explain how GRRM has ever subverted any tropes? "You need talent to be a published author." See also: E.L. James.
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Jul 13, 2015 13:28
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His blog doesn't sound like he has finished this next turd and Sanderson once said you need to book a printing press like a year in advance, doubt we'll see a book in October.
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The only promise that I think you could reliably hold GRRM to is that when the book is done, he will make a very official announcement on his blog. You won't hear about it from random sites online.
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Tahirovic posted:His blog doesn't sound like he has finished this next turd and Sanderson once said you need to book a printing press like a year in advance, doubt we'll see a book in October. I'm sure they could find someone to print TWoW with zero notice. It's pretty much guaranteed to sell a shitload of copies.
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Jul 13, 2015 15:51
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Max posted:The only promise that I think you could reliably hold GRRM to is that when the book is done, he will make a very official announcement on his blog. You won't hear about it from random sites online. To be fair, he promised as soon as he knew anything solid on Dance's release date he'd post it on his site, publisher's wishes be damned. And he did, even though the book wasn't finished yet.
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Evil Fluffy posted:only works because his burned hand is apparently unable to draw a sword since he didn't keep flexing it for months
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Iggles posted:Wait, this is really a theory? How can that be squared with him taking on 3 trainees at once the day before? Call me crazy but I always assumed his fingers were unresponsive because he'd just been STABBED IN THE THROAT It's not that he can't draw, it's that his hand stiffens up if he doesn't constantly flex it. He was able to take on 3 trainees because he had already drawn his sword without them surprising him.
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I don't think it was a physical issue that prevented Jon from drawing his sword. There's a difference between holding off three guys in sparring, when you're prepared and they're not trying to kill you, and defending yourself from an unexpected betrayal during a chaotic situation. He's pretty obviously stunned by what's going on and his immediate observation is that his attacker is reluctant. Jon hasn't figured out what is happening yet and that's what slows him down.
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TommyGun85 posted:can someone please explain how GRRM has ever subverted any tropes? He made Obi-Wan seem like (one of) the main character for part of one book.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:The first book is pretty big about the whole "protagonists makes plans, plans fail, protagonist either dies or tries to have sex with her comatose husband" thing. There's also that thing where every time two starks are meant to be reunited one or more of them dies instead. There's also the part where Robb gathers an army to avenge his dead father against the evil Lannisters and instead gets killed without achieving anything.
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Jul 14, 2015 12:17
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robb gathered an army to defend his grandfathers holdings from the lannisters , daddy died after he was already on the march
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jsoh posted:robb gathered an army to defend his grandfathers holdings from the lannisters , daddy died after he was already on the march Nope. He raised the army to negotiate for his father's release from a position of strength. Anyway, moment #3... I guess Moqorro turning the ship's sail into a fiery dragon and flying off into the storm was kinda neat.
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bartlebyshop posted:There's a theory going around that Jon feels super cold right at the end because the Others showed up as the Watch betrayed itself. It would be hilarious if the Watch/Wildling fight gets pre-empted by the zombie horde. you know - that might be possible. I know that being cold is a cliche and all, but it wouldn't surprise me if that were a transition into his warging, but mixed in with some Other's poo poo.
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Jul 14, 2015 16:32
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loving anything to get the Others into the books would be fine by me. They could all of a sudden teleport in through giant portals and I'd hand wave it off because then at least something interesting was happening with them.
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Hey dudes, I've read the first three books - how far into season 4 of the show can I go without running into major spoilers?
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Jul 14, 2015 16:49
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nothing happens in the next two books so you can just watch all of it
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actionjackson posted:Hey dudes, I've read the first three books - how far into season 4 of the show can I go without running into major spoilers? do yourself a favor and just stop reading now. 3rd book is the best, and whatever ending you imagine will be better than what you get.
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outside of Tyrion, dance was better than season 5 of the show, sad as that may be
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Jul 14, 2015 16:58
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4+5 are decent stories there's just absolutely no conclusion. Enough of it is different that watching the show isn't going to really ruin anything for you. Might as well read them so you can fall into the pit of despair and loathing the rest of us are wallowing in.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:outside of Tyrion, dance was better than season 5 of the show, sad as that may be Theon's arc was much, much better in the books and it's worth not being spoiled for, IMO, just because it's the only truly good, suspenseful writing GRRM has managed since ASOS.
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actionjackson posted:Hey dudes, I've read the first three books - how far into season 4 of the show can I go without running into major spoilers? leave this thread now before it's too late
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emanresu tnuocca posted:It's some lady whose name I don't remember but her input is incredibly minimal, someone went to the library that hosts the original ASOIAF manuscripts and scanned the books where they had interesting footnotes written by GURM or his editor and every single suggestion she's made was bluntly overruled by gurm, like she counted all the instances of his usage of 'words are wind' and noted that he used it like 20 times and he should perhaps remove some and next to her comment gurm simply wrote 'NO'.  Looks more like OK, but NO would have been funnier.  Handwriting of a crazy person.
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kcroy posted:you know - that might be possible. I know that being cold is a cliche and all, but it wouldn't surprise me if that were a transition into his warging, but mixed in with some Other's poo poo. I think it's a dumb theory but I would like to see the Others show up to wreck some poo poo and the stabbers very quickly discover who they were supposed to be fighting.
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Barack HUSSEIN posted:Handwriting of a crazy person. And of someone who has a hard time spelling "stet". He studied and taught journalism, ffs.
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