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The main thing FE7 adds to the story is that when Zephiel almost-certainly killed his father, it was clearly justifiable self-defense, not murder.
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Jul 12, 2015 22:03
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CmdrKing posted:The main thing FE7 adds to the story is that when Zephiel almost-certainly killed his father, it was clearly justifiable self-defense, not murder. Actually, that was probably the intended idea in FE6 as well, if Hasha no Tsurugi (the FE6 manga) is any indication. Although, that manga differed pretty dramatically in some ways (heck, the main character wasn't even Roy!), so, that may not necessarily be the case.
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Jul 12, 2015 23:24
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Fionordequester posted:Actually, that was probably the intended idea in FE6 as well, if Hasha no Tsurugi (the FE6 manga) is any indication. Although, that manga differed pretty dramatically in some ways (heck, the main character wasn't even Roy!), so, that may not necessarily be the case. I think FE6 makes reference to that sort of thing as well, but I don't really remember for sure. But there's a gap between "character mentions it in passing during exposition" and "you actively foil an assassination attempt."
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Jul 12, 2015 23:30
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Zwingley posted:Also thank you for fixing Zeiss's hair. I just wish I could fix the rest of him too  (...and on a different note, that was also one of the reasons I boosted his level upon joining.) Rigged Death Trap posted:WITH THE HELP OF GALOOJIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Despite all of the terrible edits I've done, here has never been one Devil Dragon cell on my entire body!
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Jul 12, 2015 23:57
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...I just realized something deeply wrong with making Gale Kyoji. 
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Jul 13, 2015 00:49
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Rigged Death Trap posted:...I just realized something deeply wrong with making Gale Kyoji. All because of THIS GALE?!!??!
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Jul 13, 2015 00:56
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So yeah, all classes have different caps for each gender. Female snipers like Dorothy have 1 fewer possible Str and Def, in return for a theoretical +2 Res over their male counterparts. Dorothy's average resistance is 10 at max level. Yeah.
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Jul 13, 2015 01:47
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Nihilarian posted:So yeah, all classes have different caps for each gender. Female snipers like Dorothy have 1 fewer possible Str and Def, in return for a theoretical +2 Res over their male counterparts. Dorothy's average resistance is 10 at max level. Yeah. Don't forget that in general female units have their con poo poo on too. The sexual dimorphism in FE is not exactly fair or balanced, I think the one spot women win is with mages.
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Jul 13, 2015 02:05
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Nihilarian posted:So yeah, all classes have different caps for each gender. Female snipers like Dorothy have 1 fewer possible Str and Def, in return for a theoretical +2 Res over their male counterparts. Dorothy's average resistance is 10 at max level. Yeah. Not to mention like -92 CON for any female class, so it's not like they're even pretending it's fair.  E:fb
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Jul 13, 2015 02:08
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I'm really glad FE moved to unified stat caps with individual units getting their own slight modifiers. Also, as of the latest game, there are no longer any gender-exclusive classes which is pretty rad.
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Jul 13, 2015 02:39
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Zore posted:I'm really glad FE moved to unified stat caps with individual units getting their own slight modifiers. So is there a class which allows you to wear a sweet tuxedo now?
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Jul 13, 2015 03:25
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Munin posted:So is there a class which allows you to wear a sweet tuxedo now? Yes. You can be a butler.
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Jul 13, 2015 03:35
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I'm surprised you're even bothering getting Cath some levels, to be honest. I mean, I've never beaten FE6 all the way (Working on it now, actually.), but my experience is that: 1. Chad/Astol exist and you get them for free, IIRC. 2. Her recruitment mechanic is annoying as hell because you have to chase her around on 3 separate occasions. 3. She's not even a good thief/assassin. I know they were arena levels, so it's whatever, but I guess what I'm asking is, is there any reason to use Cath in this game? I mean, assuming Astol and Chad don't bite it.
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Jul 13, 2015 03:50
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LordHippoman posted:I know they were arena levels, so it's whatever, but I guess what I'm asking is, is there any reason to use Cath in this game? I mean, assuming Astol and Chad don't bite it. I'm kinda curious about that myself, since this is just a 'gently caress around with level values and portraits' thread it's kinda hard to tell what the levels would look like normally.
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LordHippoman posted:I know they were arena levels, so it's whatever, but I guess what I'm asking is, is there any reason to use Cath in this game? I mean, assuming Astol and Chad don't bite it. Not really. By the time cath shows up in your roster she's stupidly underleved and her pissant strength combined with her being locked to the weakest weapons makes her hard to train. If you go ahead and level her anyway, her strength continues to be poo poo so she won't contribute anything and just leaches kill exp from units that could use it to do something. Her existence is pretty much solely as a chest bot if your other thieves are dead. Or more simply, to quote(ish) a wise man: She is not Chad.
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Jul 13, 2015 04:18
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cath exists so that you can let two thieves die before the game says gently caress you, no more thieves
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Jul 13, 2015 04:26
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vilkacis posted:Morgan is dead. Live long Morgan! As for Cath, she's still not the most annoying character just a very annoying one. And hey, she's a guaranteed source of lockpicks.
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Jul 13, 2015 09:21
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They really should have added a base stat reward with a choice on when to recruit her. You COULD recruit her on her first appearance, or you could recruit her on her final appearance and be better than Astol because she's been training along with the party in her own path.
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Jul 13, 2015 09:33
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Fionordequester posted:Actually, that was probably the intended idea in FE6 as well, if Hasha no Tsurugi (the FE6 manga) is any indication. Although, that manga differed pretty dramatically in some ways (heck, the main character wasn't even Roy!), so, that may not necessarily be the case. CmdrKing posted:The main thing FE7 adds to the story is that when Zephiel almost-certainly killed his father, it was clearly justifiable self-defense, not murder. There are literally two assassination attempts, the one in FE7 and the one at the END of FE7, when hector reports that his spies have said that Zephiel has died, then changed their report to Desmond. Nothing was retconned people just forget the ending.
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Jul 13, 2015 10:18
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Alright, I decided to try out that new Randomiser on FE8. The run is interesting so far, got some units that are garbage and some that are godlike. http://imgur.com/a/GmdQX
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Rigged Death Trap posted:...I just realized something deeply wrong with making Gale Kyoji. Naw, Gale stays Gale, I can't mess with that hair. Nihilarian posted:So yeah, all classes have different caps for each gender. Female snipers like Dorothy have 1 fewer possible Str and Def, in return for a theoretical +2 Res over their male counterparts. Dorothy's average resistance is 10 at max level. Yeah. But that is dumb. Why would they be so dumb? gently caress that, I'm giving her all 30 caps like Wolt, Roy is an equal opportunities employer. Zore posted:I'm really glad FE moved to unified stat caps with individual units getting their own slight modifiers. I don't mind gender-exclusive classes, as long as it's not like... girls getting "bride" and guys getting "dread fighter". I wanted to put Chrom in stupid sparkly formal wear for his final boss fight, drat it! LordHippoman posted:1. Chad/Astol exist and you get them for free, IIRC. 1. Astol has disappointed me horribly, even more than Cath, so I kind of want to sacrifice him to the RNG gods. 2. If I've gone through the trouble to recruit her, I may as well use her. 3. Neither is Astol, but I may want more than one thief at some point, and I didn't really have anyone else I wanted to train, so no harm in bringing her. FoolyCharged posted:She is not Chad. But she is also not Astol, which counts for something! Mysticblade posted:Alright, I decided to try out that new Randomiser on FE8. The run is interesting so far, got some units that are garbage and some that are godlike. That's probably better suited to the general FE thread (as horrible as it may be) but it's okay because I got to Bonewalker Tethys and I loving lost it.
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vilkacis posted:But that is dumb. Why would they be so dumb? Because Japan is still fairly backwards and misogynist when it comes to gender equality.
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Jul 13, 2015 17:06
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vilkacis posted:But that is dumb. Why would they be so dumb?  Any chance you could give Schwartz all 30 caps too? Or at least a higher Strength/Speed cap, because 23 max speed is loving terrible, especially since she's already hit her Speed cap. quote:I don't mind gender-exclusive classes, as long as it's not like... girls getting "bride" and guys getting "dread fighter". I wanted to put Chrom in stupid sparkly formal wear for his final boss fight, drat it! Dread Fighter takes the one flaw of most physical units (low resistance) and basically nullifies it. If you're a smartass and find a way to get a Dread Fighter in Awakening's earlygame then you suddenly destroy every magical enemy for most of the game (even in Lunatic) in a way that a similar earlygame Bride can't hope to match.
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W.T. Fits posted:Because Japan is still fairly backwards and misogynist when it comes to gender equality. After reading this I'm more inclined to blame D&D for setting the foundation for that stuff. quote:You are not allowed to play a female halfling if you have more than 14 strength, and they can only be fighters which use it, or thieves. 15 for a female gnome, 16 for elf gals, 17 for both dwarves and half-elves, which is just sort of weird, with human women getting a somewhat respectable 18/50, and half-orcs topping the charts at 18/75.
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fade5 posted:What kills me the most is how loving imbalanced the DLC classes are with weapons and skills. Weapon-wise, access to Sword/Axe/Magic is so much better than Lance/Bow/Staves (especially since Hero and Dark Knight use 2 out of those 3 weapons, and Swordmaster/Berserker uses only Swords/Axes respectively), and skill-wise Aggressor/Resistance +10 are much better than Rally Heart and especially Bond. Except that Rally Heart is really gross for Rally play and can make a big difference when you need to hit and run at higher difficulty levels in conjunction with Rally Movement from Dark Flier. Bond is also nice low effort healing. By late game there are generally better things to stick in the skills slot than Aggressor or Resistance unless your unit is criminally low on Res. Skills wise I'd say they are pretty balanced between the two with each have their definite strengths depending on the stage in the game and your style of play. That said, I most definitely agree that Sword/Axe/Magic is a much better combo than Lance/Bow/Stave. W.T. Fits posted:Because Japan is still fairly backwards and misogynist when it comes to gender equality. Don't single out Japan for this. Gender differentiated stats was a thing in Western RPGs for a long time as well. They had different character stats depending on gender in (I believe all) Elder Scroll games up to Oblivion... Anyway, good thing both series have moved away from that kind of stuff. [edit] DnD also got rid of it by 2nd Ed. By the time it became popular all the core stuff was not gender differentiated. Of course you still have shedloads of nerds creating forum topics about how it should be added back in and questioning why that "added bit of realism" wasn't included in the first place. *sigh* Munin fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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I could, but I don't think she really needs it. Will adjust wyvern lord caps for equality, though.
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vilkacis posted:I could, but I don't think she really needs it. make dorothy click her heels three times and wish for a 30 strength cap
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Dorothy is going to click her heels three times and make any fucker who tries to keep her from a 30 strength cap regret it.
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please just drain all of saul's stats into dorothy like, set him to all 1s and dorothy is now all 30s
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Jul 13, 2015 23:30
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GeneX posted:please just drain all of saul's stats into dorothy All she needs to drain from him is speed. Also you could have used all that arena money you had when you got the member card to buy all the speedwings for Liilina and make her viable again, BUT YOU DIDN'T. 
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Lilina is boring and hasn't earned the right to steal saul's stats.
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At the rate he's progressing, it's doubtful Saul will ever get his hands on St. Elimine's Aureola. 
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GeneX posted:please just drain all of saul's stats into dorothy So Basically, you want Dorothy to go all Succubus on Saul.
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They removed gender-based caps in Awakening, and made all classes gender neutral in Fates.
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GeneX posted:please just drain all of saul's stats into dorothy I think they're pretty much handling that themselves. Have you seen his latest levels? Shei-kun posted:Also you could have used all that arena money you had when you got the member card to buy all the speedwings for Liilina and make her viable again, BUT YOU DIDN'T. No I couldn't, but I wouldn't even if I could. I have characters who haven't disappointed me terribly to spend money on. W.T. Fits posted:At the rate he's progressing, it's doubtful Saul will ever get his hands on St. Elimine's Aureola. Too bad, but I'm sure he's used to that kind of disappointment. Endorph posted:They removed gender-based caps in Awakening, and made all classes gender neutral in Fates. And it's probably for the best.
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W.T. Fits posted:At the rate he's progressing, it's doubtful Saul will ever get his hands on St. Elimine's Aureola. this made me lol pretty hard.
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Endorph posted:They removed gender-based caps in Awakening Don't female units still, in general, have more res growth than their male counterparts and less def? I never noticed a difference in strength or magic but before I had all greens my female units definitely had more res. might've been just rng though.
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Tyty posted:Don't female units still, in general, have more res growth than their male counterparts and less def? Chauvinism is just highly flammable. But really, divergent caps or growths in the same kind of stat (defensive in the case) are fine as long as it's not trading STR and DEF for LUK or whatever crap the GBA games do, and Awakening obviously doesn't have CON so it can't screw them there either.
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AlphaKretin posted:Chauvinism is just highly flammable. the Luck caps are always the same throughout the game, it's almost always Def for Res and Str for Speed.
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