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Neat. Thanks. Wow, I suck rear end in artillery. RanKizama fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Hellsau posted:The problem is that WN8 favors certain tanks, and it just so coincidentally happens that it favors tanks that good players enjoy playing and can carry in. Coincidentally. Haha drat that profile's WN8 as gently caress. Incidental padding. Also JP4 best T6 TD.
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Jul 13, 2015 20:23
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Descar posted:how does it favor certain tanks? sounds like bullshit to me. Have you never played light/medium tanks?
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Jul 13, 2015 20:23
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Descar posted:how does it favor certain tanks? sounds like bullshit to me. The level I played the T-54 at does not deserve 3275 average WN8. I unlocked both tier tens from it, playing 374 games in it, and padded my WN8 sky high merely by playing a great tank decently. A metric shouldn't reward people who are seeking to pad the metric for playing the tanks that they were already going to play to pad other metrics. That defeats the entire purpose. By all means reward the player who can make the Sturer Emil or A-44 or SU100-M1 work for them, but the T-54 has 160 less expected damage than Type 61 and the goddamn Centurion 7. That's not appropriate. You shouldn't be expected to perform better in a worse tank to receive the same outcome.
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Jul 13, 2015 20:26
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Prav posted:Haha drat that profile's WN8 as gently caress. Incidental padding.  Pretty sure the Lee, M4, Bromwell, and Jg.Pz.IV are inflating the score some since I play them quite a bit?Prav posted:Also JP4 best T6 TD.
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Jul 13, 2015 20:27
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Mesadoram posted:Edit: That clan is pretty cool though. They give us a run for our money sometimes. ESPRT seem fine, and they actually have active players which is a nice change from PINGU or SIMP, but man that form letter is unbelievably earnest. Also I suspect they may not appreciate the many, many reports they'll get from the pubbies of my tarnishing ESPRT's esportsmanlike good name.
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Jul 13, 2015 20:31
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RanKizama posted:Truth. Love it. You might want to check out your stats on noobmeter, they give a few more statistics that people don't care about : http://www.noobmeter.com/player/na/RanKizama/1003331463/ Hellsau posted:ESPRT seem fine, and they actually have active players which is a nice change from PINGU or SIMP, but man that form letter is unbelievably earnest. They don't need to know you are always getting reported  They strike me as the kind of people that will only have a problem if their mailboxes are getting blown up with complaints. They are a little cheeky in SH raids, so they might not be as stern and you think.
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Jul 13, 2015 20:35
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RanKizama posted:I don't know what that means! Yeah you're apparently a Lee-whisperer and do genuinely well in it. Since the Lee is so bad it has an expected damage of like 350, so you have a "holy poo poo top 0.1% of all players" WN8 in it and you have six loving thousand battles in the thing, so yeah, that's where your WN8 is coming from. Meanwhile you do just "above average" to "good" in good high tier tanks like the VK 4502B and the M46 Patton, but you don't have six thousand battles in those so it doesn't matter. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Jul 13, 2015 20:40
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Hellsau posted:The level I played the T-54 at does not deserve 3275 average WN8. I unlocked both tier tens from it, playing 374 games in it, and padded my WN8 sky high merely by playing a great tank decently. A metric shouldn't reward people who are seeking to pad the metric for playing the tanks that they were already going to play to pad other metrics. That defeats the entire purpose. By all means reward the player who can make the Sturer Emil or A-44 or SU100-M1 work for them, but the T-54 has 160 less expected damage than Type 61 and the goddamn Centurion 7. That's not appropriate. You shouldn't be expected to perform better in a worse tank to receive the same outcome. It will even out eventually when you grind up other tanks. one-trick ponys are easy to discover.. Your t-54 performance is superior to others t-54 drivers, what else is there to say? there's only a few tanks that are this way, due to popularity of that tank. there's very few "padders", the overall population doesnt care, and wn8 together with wr is the best metric atm. edit : if you a decent player, you'll get the same wn8 in Your other t9 mediums as the t-54 Descar fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Jul 13, 2015 21:03
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Mesadoram posted:
Only when we don't actually have callers 
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Jul 13, 2015 21:09
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bad_day.jpg That was all from the one shell. Today has been a good day for HE.
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Jul 13, 2015 21:11
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JohnGalt posted:Have you never played light/medium tanks? it doesnt favor them, its just that light/mediums are high skill / high reward tanks. it means, if Your good, it will show on your wn8 very clearly, but you need to know spotting mechanics + have map experience + Battle experience, then its easy to outperform clumsy and slow tanks. a Nice exsample is the t95, you can put a superunicum into it, and it wount perform that much better then a tomato, due to very Limited options, its very low skill / low reward tank. the total opposite would be the amx 13 90, puttin a superunicum into this tank, and he has all the options he needs to change the Battle, only missing armor/alpha, total opposite of t95.
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Jul 13, 2015 21:18
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TheFluff posted:Yeah you're apparently a Lee-whisperer and do genuinely well in it. Since the Lee is so bad it has an expected damage of like 350, so you have a "holy poo poo top 1% of all players" WN8 in it and you have six loving thousand battles in the thing, so yeah, that's where your WN8 is coming from.  TheFluff posted:Meanwhile you do just "above average" to "good" in good high tier tanks like the VK 4502B and the M46 Patton, but you don't have six thousand battles in those so it doesn't matter.
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Jul 13, 2015 21:25
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http://www.wotstats.org/stats/na/steelion/ Hmm. Apparently I am Good At Heavy Tanks? I honestly don't know how I have almost 3400 WN8 in the IS-3. It's a fantastic tank! Am I really doing that much compared to the average player? I also really like my SPG stats. All medicore or bad except the 304 and Crusader, and then there's the M41, where I have 2800 WN8 over 250 battles. Preeeeeetty sure that was before any of the big arty nerfs happened, and the thing got a much larger gun, so my 1500 average damage in a tier 5 arty is artificially inflating that score a ton e:solid 3400 in the caernarvon  At least there I can understand it a bit, since the Caern is a kind of weird tank.
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Jul 13, 2015 21:41
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Desuwa posted:At this point I have played all t9 mediums except the PTA on the live server. The AMX 30 is very good but it can't brawl in a pinch or bully lower tiers like the E-50 can. To be fair, the E-50 is more like a heavy tank than all those other mediums. I mean, without the top engine it has like 11 specific power, and that only goes up to about 14 with it. The T-54 is 20 maxed out, 30p is 22, whereas the E-75 is about 10 and the 50 120 is over 16. The E-50 isn't too sluggish, but in terms of mobility & playstyle it's nowhere near the "classic" medium tanks like the T-54, 30p, LeoP, etc. Still fun though! Hellsau posted:
"Greetings _________! [insert form letter here]" But look at the bright side, you'll get to play cards against humanity! lol
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Jul 13, 2015 22:05
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Hellsau posted:The level I played the T-54 at does not deserve 3275 average WN8. I unlocked both tier tens from it, playing 374 games in it, and padded my WN8 sky high merely by playing a great tank decently. A metric shouldn't reward people who are seeking to pad the metric for playing the tanks that they were already going to play to pad other metrics. That defeats the entire purpose. By all means reward the player who can make the Sturer Emil or A-44 or SU100-M1 work for them, but the T-54 has 160 less expected damage than Type 61 and the goddamn Centurion 7. That's not appropriate. You shouldn't be expected to perform better in a worse tank to receive the same outcome. I'm certainly not arguing that WN8 is a good metric, but don't attribute to malice or some conspiracy what can easily be explained by stupidity. Now I'm curious though: http://www.wotstats.org/stats/na/charnik/ I played like a billion t54 games because it was the only tank I found fun about 2 years ago. Are my stats padded? I did just about as well in the Type 61 (which I hated).
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Atomizer posted:To be fair, the E-50 is more like a heavy tank than all those other mediums. I mean, without the top engine it has like 11 specific power, and that only goes up to about 14 with it. The T-54 is 20 maxed out, 30p is 22, whereas the E-75 is about 10 and the 50 120 is over 16. The E-50 isn't too sluggish, but in terms of mobility & playstyle it's nowhere near the "classic" medium tanks like the T-54, 30p, LeoP, etc. Still fun though! The E-50 also has a 60 kph top speed, so if you can get a bit of a hill to cruise down you can absolutely pick up some insane speed, compared to how mobile it usually is on flat ground.
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Jul 13, 2015 22:10
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Vorkosigan posted:Only when we don't actually have callers Oh yeah forgot about that little fact last night... Still was fun!
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Jul 13, 2015 22:31
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So I'm considering retraining my Leopard 1 driver skills and I'm debating which to choose: off-roading vs smooth ride vs clutch braking. Everything I'm searching up seem to contradict each other on what priority to place on those three skills. What are some of your opinions of those three in priority for the Leopard 1?
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Jul 13, 2015 22:46
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CB is always nice but the Leo has pretty high track bloom for it's tier and class so there's certainly room to argue for SR. ORD does nothing.
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Jul 13, 2015 22:52
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RanKizama posted:Out of of my 21,973 battles, I've got 5,998 battles in my M3 Lee with a 60% WR so there's that.  I love some random rear end tanks but good god man.Descar posted:a Nice exsample is the t95, you can put a superunicum into it, and it wount perform that much better then a tomato, due to very Limited options, its very low skill / low reward tank. Also the 13 90 is amazing and probably my favorite tank what does that mean.
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Jul 13, 2015 23:07
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It means you have good taste
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Prav posted:ORD does nothing. ORD is actually noticeable on the IS-7, but I think that's the only tank in the game where it is, and even then the difference is minuscule and mostly meaningless.
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TheFluff posted:ORD is actually noticeable on the IS-7, but I think that's the only tank in the game where it is, and even then the difference is minuscule and mostly meaningless. A few NTR people tested ORD on test server, both in IS-7s, one with and one without ORD. It didn't do anything in any terrain. Also even what it is stated to do is basically meaningless compared to the actual noticeable effects of the other driver skills. Clutch Braking is just awesome, and Smooth Ride aka your mum is great.
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Jul 13, 2015 23:52
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Hellsau posted:A few NTR people tested ORD on test server, both in IS-7s, one with and one without ORD. It didn't do anything in any terrain. Also even what it is stated to do is basically meaningless compared to the actual noticeable effects of the other driver skills. Clutch Braking is just awesome, and Smooth Ride aka your mum is great. Well, something made Soulfucker's five-skill IS-7 go faster than mine in a side by side race vOv
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Wasn't the opinion a while ago that off-roading was a good skill? Did WG change the skill? VVVVV OI, fuckoff nobody wants to hear about your Type 59! Agrajag fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Jul 14, 2015 |
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I badly need to respec my medium crews. I've been intending to for a while now. For instance, my Type 59 crew is currently BIA/90% Repair up and down the board. Should I get rid of BIA entirely for now? I was thinking maybe: Commander: Sixth Sense, Camo Gunner: Snap Shot, Camo Driver: Smooth Ride, Camo Loader: Situational Awareness, Camo Would clutch braking maybe be better on the driver? Maybe safe stowage on the loader/radio operator? Should I keep BIA? Help goons, my medium tanks are bad.
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Agrajag posted:Wasn't the opinion a while ago that off-roading was a good skill? Did WG change the skill? Type 59's better.
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M.C. McMic posted:I badly need to respec my medium crews. I've been intending to for a while now. Camo is a 4th or 5th option for the type. Wait until you're at 100% and get BIA. Start getting the driver skills that help with aimtime. All of them. You need them. JohnGalt fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jul 14, 2015 |
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JohnGalt posted:Camo is a 4th or 5th option for the type. Wait until you're at 100% and get BIA. Start getting the driver skills that help with aimtime. All of them. You need them. I have BIA already as my first skill on each crew member. You're saying I should keep BIA and get smooth ride and snap shot as second skills on my driver and gunner respectively to improve accuracy? (Maybe keep repair on my other two crew members as a second skill?)
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Jul 14, 2015 00:33
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I hear that BIA on medium tanks aren't really all that useful when compared to sixth sense + camo
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Steelion posted:The E-50 also has a 60 kph top speed, so if you can get a bit of a hill to cruise down you can absolutely pick up some insane speed, compared to how mobile it usually is on flat ground. It does indeed have that top speed, which is kind of  considering its low power-to-weight ratio. Still, when you do pick up speed that's where that huge ramming potential kicks in. There was a point in that replay I posted where he could've rammed one tank (I think an M103) and saved the shot for the 704, although it was played out more conservatively.As a counterpoint, the IS-7 also has a top speed of 60, but a better specific power (>15) while only weighing about 10% more. The 50 120 has a top speed of 65 and an even better specific power (>16). Agrajag posted:Wasn't the opinion a while ago that off-roading was a good skill? Did WG change the skill? No, I think ORD has always been useless.
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Jul 14, 2015 00:35
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M.C. McMic posted:I have BIA already as my first skill on each crew member. You're saying I should keep BIA and get smooth ride and snap shot as second skills on my driver and gunner respectively to improve accuracy? (Maybe keep repair on my other two crew members as a second skill?) I haven't played a type with less than 5 skills in over a year so I can't even remember what it is like not to have them. I don't know how you specifically play it, but the aim time on the thing makes medium and long range engagements more difficult. Personally, I would put repair before camo and get safe stowarge before repair. Agrajag posted:I hear that BIA on medium tanks aren't really all that useful when compared to sixth sense + camo On better aim time tanks, you can make that arguement. The t59 benefits a lot by anything to help aim time. JohnGalt fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Jul 14, 2015 |
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Jul 14, 2015 00:38
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Mediums get camo and repairs before bia, though you can drop repairs after finishing the third skill and restart it from 0 (well 50%, depending on what you prioritize on your driver and gunner). Camo is too valuable on mediums, doubly so at higher tiers, and repairs is very important on everything but t5/6 lights that don't have the health to take two hits anyway. I take camo first on mediums but wouldn't blame a less experienced player for taking repairs first. BIA is such a tiny boost compared to the huge differences camo, repairs, and especially sixth sense can make that it isn't even a contest.
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Desuwa posted:Mediums get camo and repairs before bia, though you can drop repairs after finishing the third skill and restart it from 0 (well 50%, depending on what you prioritize on your driver and gunner). You're right on just about every other medium. The type needs everything to boost aim time.
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Jul 14, 2015 00:56
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Dump the type get a real medium, problem solved.
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Agrajag posted:Dump the type get a real medium, problem solved. If I could give you my Type I would, I don't even play it anymore. I think I'll just sell it. 
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JohnGalt posted:Pbkac declined my application. I've reached the lower bowels of being bad. 
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Jul 14, 2015 02:25
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Lol if you think pbkac wants good players. They just don't want Galt bad.
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