|
wide stance posted:Was it a video of this data from 2013: https://twitter.com/festinaboy/status/618171008038608901 ? Yes
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 00:47
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 10, 2024 07:19 |
|
|
Festinaboy...
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 00:51
|
|
|
Paddyb posted:Festinaboy... Vayer owns
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 00:53
|
|
|
African AIDS cum posted:Do you think Sky believers are worse than the Livestrong bunch ever were? Worse, if only because they repeat the same bullshit counter arguments as the Livestrong crowd used without a hint of self awareness or irony. They've no excuse, the US Postal case is still fresh. I don't feel like going back to quote the person but I remember someone in the thread saying Froome was on a motor on that corner he attacked Contador on.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 00:56
|
|
|
African AIDS cum posted:Do you think Sky believers are worse than the Livestrong bunch ever were? Yes. Lance at least used his lying garbage to start a foundation that has done some serious fundraising. The only thing Froome is raising is the price thats going to have to be paid by cycling's already less than stellar credibility when he finally gets outed to the world
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 00:57
|
|
|
African AIDS cum posted:Vayer owns I just followed a bunch of those dudes and I'm going down the rabbit hole. Brb
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 01:00
|
|
|
Gibbo posted:Yes. Lance at least used his lying garbage to start a foundation that has done some serious fundraising. The only thing Froome is raising is the price thats going to have to be paid by cycling's already less than stellar credibility when he finally gets outed to the world True. Lance also rode with panache at times and didn't quit cause he fell over.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 01:05
|
|
|
Paddyb posted:I just followed a bunch of those dudes and I'm going down the rabbit hole. Brb Remember to sleep now and then.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 01:06
|
|
|
Also in that video French tv direction missed both attacks because they're showing a replay of nothing and then cutting back to a 30 m gap.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 01:10
|
|
|
Pocket posted:Sooo can't wait to poo poo up the Guardian Cycling comments section tomorrow. are you Ranger75th or blackflame79?
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 01:22
|
|
|
Worth noting tweets with actual power data are being self censored. Ross Tucker and the others who were doing power estimations were pretty much spot on with their 'pseudoscience' calculations.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 01:23
|
|
|
Carpet posted:are you Ranger75th or blackflame79? Neither, I don't care enough to put effort into getting around the moderators there, though seeing what others seemingly get away with while my comments with sources get wiped, I'm pretty sure I'm on their poo poo list.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 01:41
|
|
|
I don't think riding up ventoux at 400w is superhuman. Wiggins will TT between 450 and 500 for over an hour. His, um, body composition change is just sort of weird. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 02:09
|
|
|
Xir posted:For those Froome haters: http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/07/news/in-the-news-sky-suspects-froomes-training-data-has-been-hacked_378047 "Frame him" HAHAHAHA, it basically confirmed he's high on exotic jungle juice.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 02:16
|
|
|
Jan ullrich rode for Sky???
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 02:43
|
|
|
African AIDS cum posted:True. Lance also rode with panache at times and didn't quit cause he fell over. You try being an athlete used to training on Tenerife and being forced to ride on wet cobblestones.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 04:00
|
|
|
How in the gently caress did Froome pull out 1000w? Edit: I watched that monster of a stage in 2013 and was blown away by his performance. There is no way it was legit.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 04:02
|
|
|
At least Lance gave us poo poo like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haEbtHiUcBc Froome's tour likely would been over right there. dema fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Jul 14, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 05:03
|
|
|
dema posted:At least Lance gave us poo poo like this: Such a fantastic moment. Running on pure adrenaline at that point to choose to just keep going downhill like that, then having the presence of mind to dismount and jump the last ditch.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 05:18
|
|
|
Dirk Pitt posted:How in the gently caress did Froome pull out 1000w? 1000w for a world tour pro isn't that big a deal. Especially if it's just a sub 1 min attack. Not saying Sky is clean, but people freaking out over a 1000w spike is silly. It's like they've never used a power meter.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 06:09
|
|
|
Some stuff re this whole recording: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...Brailsford.html quote:My heart rate doesn’t go very high. I get to about 168 and that’s going flat-out. I can’t get much higher. It’s very low. A lot of my team-mates get over 200. I don’t really understand why, myself. I know I’ve got a large lung capacity, over eight litres. Average capacity for my height and weight is nearer six litres. And from the guys who estimated Froome's FTP way back when: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1033149476696091&id=213103522034028&__mref=message_bubble quote:The first rest day of the Tour de France produced, as usual, some off-the-bike stories, but in 6 years of covering the race, I can't recall such a bizarre sequence of events as this one.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 06:30
|
|
|
Russian Bear posted:1000w for a world tour pro isn't that big a deal. Especially if it's just a sub 1 min attack. Seems the HR is getting more attention from when the effort came in context of the Tour than the power spike itself. Well if 168 is his true max than 161 would be 96% of max. vikingstrike fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jul 14, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 06:31
|
|
|
Guys I think Froome might be doping.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:06
|
|
|
Froome needs to be removed from the race and banned from the sport for life.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:08
|
|
|
Vaughters is saying his V02 Max must be in excess of 90ml/kg/min 
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:14
|
|
|
African AIDS cum posted:Froome needs to be removed from the race and banned from the sport for life. I'd go as far as to say he needs to be banned from life.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:19
|
|
|
Goddammit, guys, somebody find a reupload of the overlay.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:24
|
|
|
This is the year he gets done isnt it? They should probably grab Contadors data too, that would be an interesting comparison.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:26
|
|
|
Bobby Julich leaked the SRM data lol
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:32
|
|
|
His heart rate doesn't change a blip during those attacks. As in, not in the tiniest bit. Are there PED's that can do that, cos it sounds more like the HR data is wrong to me? I'm not defending him, he's clearly on something, but I don't think this is the evidence that's gonna get him
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:41
|
|
|
I would not drat someone based on HR data alone. My HRM sometimes inexplicably holds at too high or too low a number without changing for like up to 30 minutes, before it finally starts accurately recording me. It's plausible enough an explanation that you can't nail Froome to the cross for suspect HR data.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:47
|
|
|
paperwind posted:I would not drat someone based on HR data alone. My HRM sometimes inexplicably holds at too high or too low a number without changing for like up to 30 minutes, before it finally starts accurately recording me. It's plausible enough an explanation that you can't nail Froome to the cross for suspect HR data. You are a goon, not a pro rider in the Tour de France supported by a multi million dollar team. Froome rides entire races staring at his SRM. you think any of it would be off?
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:51
|
|
|
Maybe his HR is like a boiling kettle and by constantly watching, it never changes
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:53
|
|
|
Skarsnik posted:His heart rate doesn't change a blip during those attacks. As in, not in the tiniest bit. Similarly, the 1000w lasts for less than 2 seconds, which again could be just a spike in the data. I know I cant push 1200w but I get that reading on my power meter on occasion. Its still an inhuman performance though. Multiple 600w attacks.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:58
|
|
|
African AIDS cum posted:You are a goon, not a pro rider in the Tour de France supported by a multi million dollar team. Froome rides entire races staring at his SRM. you think any of it would be off? If he's using a Garmin HRM, then yes, I totally believe that the HR data could be suspect. SRM power data though, probably not so much.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 07:58
|
|
|
paperwind posted:I would not drat someone based on HR data alone. My HRM sometimes inexplicably holds at too high or too low a number without changing for like up to 30 minutes, before it finally starts accurately recording me. It's plausible enough an explanation that you can't nail Froome to the cross for suspect HR data. same but mine is a garmin edge and not whatever the gently caress sky have. with all their marginal gains poo poo im sure theyve got HR spikes/freezes covered. edit: seems i need posting PEDs, or atleast learn to refresh after being AWOL what im saying is with their stuff i doubt a lack of HR change is due to equipment Box Hill Strangler fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Jul 14, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 08:30
|
|
|
African AIDS cum posted:Froome needs to be removed from the race and banned from the sport for life. I loving hate how and it's so loving obvious he's on insane gear
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 09:08
|
|
|
paperwind posted:If he's using a Garmin HRM, then yes, I totally believe that the HR data could be suspect. SRM power data though, probably not so much. Yes, it must be the technology that's wrong, not Sky pumping Froome full of shark hormones or whatever
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 09:10
|
|
|
Hegay posted:Yes, it must be the technology that's wrong, not Sky pumping Froome full of shark hormones or whatever Yes, I'm completely defending Froome here because I'm suggesting that HRM technology isn't foolproof.  He's probably full of juice, but trying to prove it based on heart rate data is loving lazy.
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 09:41
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 10, 2024 07:19 |
|
|
For anyone who regularly rides/races with a HRM monitor (as I do, as well as a number of others in this thread), a delay or lag in heart rate is normal - if you put in a big attack (incidentally 2 seconds at 1000w isn't a big deal - I can do that), then you wouldn't see that reflected in the heart rate until roughly 10 seconds later. However, the heart rate barely changing in his attacks is really odd. I've no idea what that could indicate, doping or otherwise. I can only think that he must have been riding close to his max heart rate already, and therefore even a big attack would barely raise that. Being able to ride that close to max heart rate for so long is pretty strange, though, but does it indicate doping? I don't know. The problem is, we've not got anything to compare it with. As the Science of Sport post said, transparency cannot be a bad thing - we simply don't know, or have a representative sample of what an elite cyclist's data climbing Ventoux should look like. What I do know is that 388w for the duration of Ventoux is, on the surface, a legitimate figure. I would love to see power and heart rate data overlays during live broadcasts and, if teams have nothing to hide, I don't see why they wouldn't allow it (well there are reasons, but in the interests of transparency I think they should forsake them). At the very least this is yet another Sky PR disaster!
|
|
#
?
Jul 14, 2015 11:13
|
|