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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:John Key is a pedophile. Like that would matter at this point. He could be literally actually hitler reincarnated and Hosking will go on about how he did Germany heaps of good - imagine what he can do for little new zealand!
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Ghostlight posted:This is some gold standard cyberbullying. Trolling Young Nats is funny but comparing John Key to Hitler seems a little off, considering.
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emminou posted:Trolling Young Nats is funny but comparing John Key to Hitler seems a little off, considering. Maybe the young nats should stop doing nazi salutes at their events?
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Jul 14, 2015 08:20
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haha if we call these people names with boring unoriginal satire they will no longer hold their current political beliefs, this will definitely work and they haven't just ignored us in the past
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Jul 14, 2015 14:40
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Maybe the young nats should stop doing nazi salutes at their events? I forgot to report in my live blog of a young nats meeting but they all did the hitler salute and also sang the hitler song before the meeting started
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Jul 14, 2015 14:42
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puchu posted:haha if we call these people names with boring unoriginal satire they will no longer hold their current political beliefs, this will definitely work and they haven't just ignored us in the past If they change their political beliefs, no one will be able to call them fascists any more, and where's the fun in that?
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El Pollo Blanco posted:If they change their political beliefs, no one will be able to call them fascists any more, and where's the fun in that? National aren't even vaguely in the same ballpark as any kind of fascist party, and it's stupid to call them that.
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When you realise how stupid voters are and lose all hope for the country, then facebook insults are like tears in rain... time to log off.
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El Pollo Blanco posted:If they change their political beliefs, no one will be able to call them fascists any more, and where's the fun in that? I dunno I guess it depends if you prefer constructive (lol) political dialogue or yelling in to the endless cyber nether. I prefer pornography myself.
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A human heart posted:National aren't even vaguely in the same ballpark as any kind of fascist party, and it's stupid to call them that. Yeah, most Fascist didn't have access to the kind of quality spying equipment the Nats have, for one!
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Yeah, most Fascist didn't have access to the kind of quality spying equipment the Nats have, for one! Hmmm sounds like the Nats embrace and encourage technological development? I'm voting for them for sure.
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A human heart posted:National aren't even vaguely in the same ballpark as any kind of fascist party, and it's stupid to call them that. cult of personality based around strongman mythos harassment and interference of/with journalists propaganda/media control strategy mass surveillance and expansion of spy powers/erosion of spy neutrality corporatism control of the population by way of the bullying/othering of minorities Ratios and Tendency fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Ratios and Tendency posted:cult of personality based around strongman mythos They don't have the first one(unless you think that having a leader who is popular within the party is a cult of personality), the next 3 are found in many kinds of political movements other than fascism, and I don't think you know what corporatism means, because National aren't corporatist. They don't have any particular conception of the nation state as an organic entity, they don't have any kind of palingenetic element, and they're not ultranationalist, things that fascist movements(as well as most almost fascist movements like Peronism or what have you) have.
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I don't really know what to say if you think people are sincerely suggesting the National party are left-leaning enough to be National Socialists, or if you sincerely think the place to have constructive political dialogue is an events page on Facebook and that trolling some idiots on social media somehow precludes you from ever having constructive dialogue on politics separately in a more suitable forum.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:cult of personality based around strongman mythos 
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bobbilljim posted:???? He's "capable" and "gets things done" and associates himself with masculine symbols like beer and rugby.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:He's "capable" and "gets things done" and associates himself with masculine symbols like beer and rugby. Your argument is that the national party are close to being a fascist party btw
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Jul 15, 2015 01:50
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Ratios and Tendency posted:He's "capable" and "gets things done" It's sad that people believe this (in the context of running a country. Yes he is highly capable in the field of making money off the backs of the poor.)
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Google 'Eco - Eternal Fascism'. The national party is an enormous group of inbred bastards, but they don't quite hit the markers for fascism. Yet.
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awesmoe posted:maybe just (read out loud, if that's easier) what you've been posting, and then ask yourself 'if this is what I have to support my argument, is it possible that I might actually be wrong" I was just drawing some parallels in response to someone claiming that they aren't even "vaguely in the same ballpark" since I felt that was an attempt to minimise serious issues with the current government.
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WarpedNaba posted:Google 'Eco - Eternal Fascism'. The national party is an enormous group of inbred bastards, but they don't quite hit the markers for fascism. Yet.
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Ur Facism should also work. For some reason my bookmark doesn't work any more.
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WarpedNaba posted:Google 'Eco - Eternal Fascism'. The national party is an enormous group of inbred bastards, but they don't quite hit the markers for fascism. Yet. I wouldn't pay too much attention to Eco's definition, iirc most of the Fascism literature uses a narrower and more specific definition than he does(although even if you use his criteria it's clear National don't meet it). Ratios and Tendency posted:I was just drawing some parallels in response to someone claiming that they aren't even "vaguely in the same ballpark" since I felt that was an attempt to minimise serious issues with the current government. They suck but in a fairly standard neoliberal way that is totally distinct from Fascism.
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Jul 15, 2015 04:16
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I'm reading a whole lot of poo poo about 'Ecofascism' now and it's pretty hilarious. "I CAN'T VENT SMOKE FROM EVERY ORIFICE 24/7 THE LIBERALS ARE LITERAL NAZIS".
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:I'm reading a whole lot of poo poo about 'Ecofascism' now and it's pretty hilarious. There's a lot of dumb crap been written about how green parties are Nazis or whatever, but there really was a 'green' contingent of the Nazi party and there are some modern fascists who have tried to bring that back as a way of making fascism acceptable to environmentalist types. this article is good and relevant: http://revolutionaryecology.com/2013/12/05/j-sakai-the-green-nazi-an-investigation-into-fascist-ideology/
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puchu posted:haha if we call these people names with boring unoriginal satire they will no longer hold their current political beliefs, this will definitely work and they haven't just ignored us in the past The thing is these kids have never even heard what some might consider to be unoriginal satire. I'd guarantee some of the attendees would have practically never heard the opinions of people who are against the government outside of maybe a glance at a picture of Greenpeace on parliament's roof or something similar. I'm not suggesting that bombarding their Facebook event is a great way to make these kids become aware that there are other points of view, but it's better than nothing.
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Jul 15, 2015 05:23
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What if we took all their money and then beat them, with sticks. Big ones.
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Jul 15, 2015 05:29
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edit: Maybe a little too bloodthirsty with regard to stupid children.
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Jul 15, 2015 05:31
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Herald saying the person who leaked the housing data to Labour has been fired.
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Pararoid posted:The thing is these kids have never even heard what some might consider to be unoriginal satire. I can assure you that they are aware. They are teenagers on the Internet. I don't think someone will be convinced of their horrible wrongness by an Internet poster saying Hitler on a social media event page which invites the people most invested in the organisation to a meeting about the organisation.
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JK is a good bloke because he took strange foreign poo poo money and turned it into more glorious NZ money then he became PM then he had a beer and is casual as when it comes to the insignificant parts of governing and such So pulling a woman's hair while she is working or pulling a kids hair when she is standing on the street is normal as
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Andrew little on the other hand just doesn't like those Asians 
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A human heart posted:They suck but in a fairly standard neoliberal way that is totally distinct from Fascism. I don't accept that fascism and neoliberalism are totally distinct(the opposite is true) and I also don't accept that politically motivated harassment of journalists by the police, for example, is standard neoliberalism.
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Ratios and Tendency calls his stepdad Fascist, then throws his plate of mum's special spag bol (his favourite) at the wall and storms off to his room to play final fantasy.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:I don't accept that fascism and neoliberalism are totally distinct(the opposite is true) and I also don't accept that politically motivated harassment of journalists by the police, for example, is standard neoliberalism. Neoliberalism and fascism are clearly linked but not the same thing. The second thing is pretty common, the UK, the US, and I'm sure you could find other examples.
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newtestleper posted:Ratios and Tendency calls his stepdad Fascist, then throws his plate of mum's special spag bol (his favourite) at the wall and storms off to his room to play final fantasy. is the ffvii remake out already?
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loving dry mince, watties sauce and undercooked spaghetti sticks. Second only to yellow curry with raisins in it for late eighties mum based culinary abortions.
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Infotainment! posted:loving dry mince, watties sauce and undercooked spaghetti sticks. Second only to yellow curry with raisins in it for late eighties mum based culinary abortions. I'm hungry now thanks a lot
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